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Megan Ladimore
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:22:00 -
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Hi there. I am trying to get a Navy Raven moved from Irjunen to Jita because I lack the skill to fly it. It is my second time putting up the courier contract but it seems like no one is willing to move it for me. It is only 50,000 cubic meters so it isn't that hard to move, and my reward price seems fair. I am just wondering why it is so hard to actually get someone to do a courier contract? Is it that people with freighters and big haulers have more lucrative things to do? Or perhaps that few pilots actually now that the system exists? I had one guy ask me to drop the collateral saying he couldnt pay it or he would have accepted but I refuse to lower the collateral any lower than 250mil or it will be too profitable to just steal the ship.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 20/04/2008 06:28:19
Offer a fair courier price and just contract it straight to me. I'll fly the damn thing for you. And no, I won't do collateral but if you check you'll find out that I won't steal it either.
Just don't put it Courier as I don't feel like flying a frieghter to transport it. (You do realize that is what it'll take.) |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:36:00 -
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Well, you could at least be polite and let a person say farewell before you just bolt out of channel. Good luck finding someone foolish enough to work with you. (You'd think I'd learn not to be nice ... at all. Yeesh.) |
Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:40:00 -
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What's your idea of a fair price? I've never had a problem with courier contracts failing to get picked up and I typically put up a few a day. I even put up NPC couriers on contracts and they get moved within 24 hours, (I usually break even on these too, so the prices people are willing to accept are very reasonable). Also setting a collateral of only 250m on an item worth almost twice that is a good way to lose said item. Always make sure you set a collateral that is in excess of the item's market value. If you really want it moved, put up a courier for a 10m reward. That will get it moved within a few hours and you'll make up the price of the courier when you sell the ship. CNRs move very fast in Jita, and there's a fairly good price range where people will buy them. You could set the contract at 5m as well, but it will take longer to get picked up, ofc; and that's about the lowest someone will consider it for, considering the collateral involved (at least 500m imo). |
Ava Santiago
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Megan Ladimore
Hi there. I am trying to get a Navy Raven moved from Irjunen to Jita because I lack the skill to fly it. It is my second time putting up the courier contract but it seems like no one is willing to move it for me. It is only 50,000 cubic meters so it isn't that hard to move, and my reward price seems fair. I am just wondering why it is so hard to actually get someone to do a courier contract? Is it that people with freighters and big haulers have more lucrative things to do? Or perhaps that few pilots actually now that the system exists? I had one guy ask me to drop the collateral saying he couldnt pay it or he would have accepted but I refuse to lower the collateral any lower than 250mil or it will be too profitable to just steal the ship.
Do you guys have any advice?
Your payment needs to be at least 3% of your total collateral. You need to figure anyone using a freighter is going to want a minimum of 150,000 per jump. Your total collateral needs to exceed the value of your cargo by 20%.
You have a Navy Raven - I'm going to assume a price of 1 Billion. Collateral needed is about 1.2 billion, 3-4% fee is going to be about 36 million. That should be enough to get someone to move it a fair number of jumps.
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Santiago
Your payment needs to be at least 3% of your total collateral. You need to figure anyone using a freighter is going to want a minimum of 150,000 per jump. Your total collateral needs to exceed the value of your cargo by 20%.
You have a Navy Raven - I'm going to assume a price of 1 Billion. Collateral needed is about 1.2 billion, 3-4% fee is going to be about 36 million. That should be enough to get someone to move it a fair number of jumps.
CNRs are extremely common because of the sheer numbers of people running caldari missions. Their typical ask is 450m-500m, so there's no need to go overboard on the collateral or reward.
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Ava Santiago
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Petyr Baelich
Originally by: Ava Santiago
Your payment needs to be at least 3% of your total collateral. You need to figure anyone using a freighter is going to want a minimum of 150,000 per jump. Your total collateral needs to exceed the value of your cargo by 20%.
You have a Navy Raven - I'm going to assume a price of 1 Billion. Collateral needed is about 1.2 billion, 3-4% fee is going to be about 36 million. That should be enough to get someone to move it a fair number of jumps.
CNRs are extremely common because of the sheer numbers of people running caldari missions. Their typical ask is 450m-500m, so there's no need to go overboard on the collateral or reward.
<is not trading in Navy Ravens at this time. Math repriced works out to an 15-18 million fee.
Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:57:00 -
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Had to look since I thought it fishy. It was a courier contract of shuttles.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:22:00 -
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I was wondering about that 250 million collateral on a CNR. I figure if they put that contract up for real someone would have just taken it, but being as it was shuttles I can see why it didnt get taken. Though I did look for the contract just now and didnt see it.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Had to look since I thought it fishy. It was a courier contract of shuttles.
Hahah, good work Shar, for once in your life being good to others pays off.
"I don't haul, period." |
Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:11:00 -
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I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M? 
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M?
It never hurts to have some fun and while at it determine the exact number of ships and time you'd need to take down a freighter.
"I don't haul, period." |
Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M?
I think the idea was to trick someone reading this thread into thinking they could make a quick 250 mil profit by taking the contract, opening the package, and selling the CNR on the market.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: Robacz
I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M?
I think the idea was to trick someone reading this thread into thinking they could make a quick 250 mil profit by taking the contract, opening the package, and selling the CNR on the market.
You can see inside courier packages without voiding the contract.
"I don't haul, period." |
Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: Robacz
I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M?
I think the idea was to trick someone reading this thread into thinking they could make a quick 250 mil profit by taking the contract, opening the package, and selling the CNR on the market.
You can see inside courier packages without voiding the contract.
Wasn't this changed in the latest patch?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
I fail to see how was this scam (if it was one) supposed to work? They wanted to gank freighter for 250M?
Originally by: Barbicane
I think the idea was to trick someone reading this thread into thinking they could make a quick 250 mil profit by taking the contract, opening the package, and selling the CNR on the market.
I'm thinking it was a scam hoping someone would break the container. Sadly, for the scammer, I only opened it to look inside. There was no gank attempt though I still proceeded with all due care that freighter ops (Anywhere near Jita) require. But I can say that you can still look into a container without voiding the courier contract. So I'm 1m for 10 minutes of my time. Not worth it but ... meh. Another name added to the loser list.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.20 12:28:00 -
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I doubt anyone would break it without looking inside first, but who knows.
I rate this scam attempt 1/10. 
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Raskor
Crossflow Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.20 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Raskor on 20/04/2008 14:10:12
Originally by: YouGotRipped
You can see inside courier packages without voiding the contract.
Originally by: Barbicane
Wasn't this changed in the latest patch?
What was changed is previously you could search for a given item, say a CNR. Courier contracts holding that particular item would be included in the search results (if not only searching item exchange / auction).
So, basically you could try to shop for items with under priced collateral.
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