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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.21 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Luminary Mind
Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
VOIP is metagaming, really?
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.21 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Minuteman people should have lives outside EVE etc
Then log out.
If you are going to play a game, then play it. If you're going to split your focus, then accept that you're going to be hindered. I lost a Retriever because I alt-tabbed and 3 npcs spawned and killed me. Maybe we should have a Bacon-type program that tells me when I get targeted, or maybe once I'm at half shields? Maybe when i reach armor?
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.21 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alyx Alyn
Originally by: Kvirie
Originally by: Minuteman people should have lives outside EVE etc
Then log out.
If you are going to play a game, then play it. If you're going to split your focus, then accept that you're going to be hindered. I lost a Retriever because I alt-tabbed and 3 npcs spawned and killed me. Maybe we should have a Bacon-type program that tells me when I get targeted, or maybe once I'm at half shields? Maybe when i reach armor?
Having sound on and auto-lockbacks enabled probably would've saved you FYI.
Max targets (2) locked already.
It's ok, the trit I mined prior let me make enough shuttles to but several more barges.
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Faife I love mobs. Everyone disses hydra while ignoring Razor, Goonswarm, and themselves for using Vent.
/facepalm
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n Edited by: Cori4n on 21/04/2008 22:04:26
Originally by: Miki Fin 29. You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.
As you noted this would ban every EVE-related tool in existence.
But I don't really understand why everyone likes to quote the EULA here. As it is, CCP has stated clearly that BACON is presently to be treated as EULA-compliant. Neither its author nor its users will get banned for it. If CCP decides to outlaw it (I do hope they don't), they will either claim it now counts as breaking one of the EULA's terms, or, if it doesn't, they will modify the EULA so that it does. The EULA's actual text is, to be honest, irrelevant...
They don't have to go that far, they can simply state that it misuses data created by the client and is not allowed just as replacing your cache files, files generated by EVE, is not allowed.
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby There is no clean manner. Bacon does NOT interface with the client in any way.
It automates the observation of local for incoming/outgoing players. You can argue all you want, but in the end the this is still the plain and simple truth. BACON is a local monitoring macro that is fed by the use of a logserver designed for bug hunting. |
Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: RebelWithACause Whether you like BACON or not, how can this not bug EVERYONE on this thread? CCP has openly admitted that they KNEW others were ALREADY using similar tools... We just had the guts to bring it to light, for better or worse.
Because if they knew about it, didn't like it and were working to change stuff so they wouldn't work anymore, all you did was tell people it existed before they made their changes that kill it? |
Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n
Originally by: Ki Anna Until you make whatever changes you will be making, are tools that read realtime data from the LogServer allowed or disallowed?
Quote: While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS
Quote: we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lurana Lay
Quote: and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer
Why just now?
This sort and other similar things has been around a while, and not just the Goons either.
Why? Because the general public knows about it and now has some access, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT NOW CAN WE?!
Where does he imply they haven't been working on changes to prevent cheats like this from working, since before the public thread? It's not like CCP's devs don't play the game, or are only in 1-2 alliances (well I'd hope not anyways).
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.22 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n
Originally by: Sekhen If you want to play a game that has lots of "mods" that help you in your gameplay, one of our competitors (Blizzard/Vivendi) offer exactly that product (Worlf of Warcraft).
Here we play the game as it is and on equal terms.
And what the heck is this? Does WoW have static data dumps? An API? A dev blog titled "Third Party Development"? Tools like evemon and EFT which are made possible by the former?
Since when was the spirit of EVE ultraconservative with respect to development?
You fail in realizing EFT and EVE-mon do not automate any aspect of game play for you. EVE-mon does not change skills, and EFT doesn't fit your ship for you. BACON watches local for you.
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Kvirie
Caldari Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix And,your point? Last I checked BACON doesn't modify skills nor fit your ship for you.All it does is provide a warning system equal to the military radar and warning systems
Since you missed my point:
EFT and EVEMon don't automate the game play for you in any way. BACON does in that it watches local for you. EFT would have to ft your ship, and EVEmon would have to swap your skills for them to be in the same group as BACON.
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