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Keyser Sozie	Posted - 2008.04.21 05:51:00 - [1] I have a perfect solution to the plague that is High-Sec Ganking. This is a practice that imo is destroying this game. Noobs have it hard enough trying to learn how to play EVE without having to contend with lazy "Pirate" who are not man enough to pirate in low sec. This solution is simple, you get Concorded you get no Inurance. This is exactly how things work in the Real World, crimminals cannot profit from acts of crime they have been convicted of so I put forward this is a perfect solution. This solution works for all, if people still want to High-Sec Gank targets they can but it only becomes worthwhile on targets that carry high isk items. They don't have the Inurance to recover their loss. It stops those people who just buy a BS put as many Large Smartbombs on it that they can fit without anything else fit and just sit at gates and let them off. Yes, I know there will be a huge thread talking about how I am a girlieman, and questioning everything from my grammar to my man hood but maybe, just maybe CCP might pay attention to this matter.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.21 05:56:00 - [2] The oldest unresolved request in Eve tbh.
Surgu	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Keyser Sozie Noobs have it hard enough trying to learn how to play EVE without Who would suicide gank a noob? Noobs don't carry expensive stuff, the older players do. Originally by: Keyser Sozie having to contend with lazy "Pirate" who are not man enough to pirate in low sec. High-sec piracy isn't about manhood, it's about taking from the rich and giving to the poor (themselves)
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Surgu Originally by: Keyser Sozie Noobs have it hard enough trying to learn how to play EVE without Who would suicide gank a noob? Noobs don't carry expensive stuff, the older players do. Originally by: Keyser Sozie having to contend with lazy "Pirate" who are not man enough to pirate in low sec. High-sec piracy isn't about manhood, it's about taking from the rich and giving to the poor (themselves) /thread л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:03:00 - [5] I pirate in low-sec and 0.0... I also happen to have gotten my sec status back over -1.9. So... where do you hang out? I've got search agents anyways, but I need something to do. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Corduroy Rab Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:16:00 - [6] We should all make up an acronym for this sort of thing. I propose... YAHSSGT: Yet Another High Sec Suicide Ganking Thread To the OP, this idea has been kicked around here much lately. Not a bad idea on the whole, there are situations where this wouldn't work as intended though. Suiciding will still happen....and all that jaz
Keyser Sozie	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:19:00 - [7] ofc, suiciding will still happen and I am not saying it shouldn't, just that insurance should not be rewarded to those who do.
Sirot	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:24:00 - [8] This must be one of the stupidest often-repeated ideas out there. What's next if they stop paying out on CONCORD'ed ships? If you have any wars, you can't insure your ship, because who's gonna insure a ship with such a high chance of getting blown up. If you live out in 0.0, it's dangerous, so you can't get your ship insured. I hate to break it to you, but insurance doesn't make sense in EVE. You would be a complete moron to start an insurance company like Pend, especially with the outrageously high payouts they have. It doesn't make sense for people to collect insurance if they get CONCORD'ed, but it doesn't make sense for 99% of pilots to get insurance like they do.
Keyser Sozie	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Keyser Sozie on 21/04/2008 06:28:48 I will have to admit that I rarely get inurance on any of my ships, so I do agree with your comment. But the issue is trying to solve the pestilence that is HS Ganking.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Sirot This must be one of the stupidest often-repeated ideas out there. What's next if they stop paying out on CONCORD'ed ships? If you have any wars, you can't insure your ship, because who's gonna insure a ship with such a high chance of getting blown up. If you live out in 0.0, it's dangerous, so you can't get your ship insured. I hate to break it to you, but insurance doesn't make sense in EVE. You would be a complete moron to start an insurance company like Pend, especially with the outrageously high payouts they have. It doesn't make sense for people to collect insurance if they get CONCORD'ed, but it doesn't make sense for 99% of pilots to get insurance like they do. I just got almost twenty evemails about insurance contracts that inspired, all within the course of an hour.... I didn't even remember having those ships, and I have no idea wtf happened to them, unless they're just scattered about the universe in various hangars... but my point is, even with the high payouts, lots of ships survive for quite longer than the 90 days the insurance contract covers them for :) л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Achran Dexx Caldari CompleXion Industries	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:37:00 - [11] blah blah blah same old whining. You're NEVER safe, high-sec is easy because you only have to run a buffertank instead of a permatank.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:43:00 - [12] I agree in total with your idea. Of course this idea gets shot down by the people who commonly say, "Undock - you made choice - don't whine when {event} happens." These same people will then cry foul about "Choose to Commit Crime, No Insurance" idea gets bandied about. This community will jump from pillar to post instantaneously over anything that they fear will give someone else an advantage or take away an advantage that they already enjoy. Those who are generally unbiased tend to avoid these kinds of threads knowing that they (these threads) are: A - TrollNaughts in the making. B - Better discussed in the appropriate forum. C - Generally not going to happen because of loud noise coming from {Insert} community segment. I wish you well but this thread is simply going to get flamed and trolled because people just do not know any better way to act. I'd order up some fire extinguishers for all the flaming effigies of you that'll be coming. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:46:00 - [13] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 21/04/2008 06:46:18 Originally by: Shar Tegral stuff yeah and of course those "unbiased" people are those that share your opinion. also yep a thread title that contains the word "ganktards" is definitely the way to go if you want a serious discussion. i mean cmon...
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:50:00 - [14] I wouln't go so far as to remove insurance from everyone that gets concordokend. Sometimes things like that happen by accident. I propose instaid to only remove insurance (and also highten Sec Stat impact) if someone gets concordokend after they destroy a ship that can't defend itsself properly (shuttle, hauler, freighter, barge and their T2 equivelants). --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:50:00 - [15] Edited by: techzer0 on 21/04/2008 06:50:35 No insurance payout for concord losses... and those people who mistakenly lose their CNR's or [insert shiptype here] to noobishness or a misclick while locking a war target? I'm not arguing against your idea... but have you thought of all the impacts removing insurance from concord losses would have? The added stress on the petition system that already takes forever? And as for protecting the noobs, insurance is their protection from silliness, it gets them a new ship when they accidentally shoot a person with a high sec status and a bounty the first time they see someone like that. Plenty of other consequences, but I don't care too much as I don't suicide gank and most of the ships I prefer to fly are T2... yeah, insure that ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Keyser Sozie	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:52:00 - [16] Perhaps the title should have been "My serious proposal to the balancing of game mechanics for High Security Systems in reference to insurance payouts to people that the Concord Police destroy due to their illegal actions" A bit long winded though eh?
Keyser Sozie	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:55:00 - [17] Yes, I understand that sometimes things go wrong and thats what the petition system is for. And yes I fly T2 ships almost 100% so I never have anything insured.
suzie stormbringer	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:57:00 - [18] I am against insurance payout for ships used in sucide ganks. Self destruction of ship at end of insurance period is fair and should not be altered. Its not safe anymore to fly realy expensive ship with alot of modified stuff on it.. A mission runner should be able to pimp his fraction ship out to the max without fear of sucide ganks.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 06:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Keyser Sozie Perhaps the title should have been "My serious proposal to the balancing of game mechanics for High Security Systems in reference to insurance payouts to people that the Concord Police destroy due to their illegal actions" A bit long winded though eh? Sure. But it should have been in your OP. The one paragraph relating to the topic says it all "Simple". Now you see that it's not exactly simple Originally by: Keyser Sozie This solution is simple, you get Concorded you get no Inurance. This is exactly how things work in the Real World, crimminals cannot profit from acts of crime they have been convicted of so I put forward this is a perfect solution. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Keyser Sozie Perhaps the title should have been "My serious proposal to the balancing of game mechanics for High Security Systems in reference to insurance payouts to people that the Concord Police destroy due to their illegal actions" A bit long winded though eh? well tbh you would get flamed with whatever thread title you choose. to that extent shar is right. just pointing out you have no reason to complain really if you set the tone with your first post. other then that this exact same proposal has been made and discussed in probably not less than 10 threads in the last few weeks. so you can be sure ccp knows about it. of course you can push it forward week for week but people will get more and more opposed by that - even those who might agree with you.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:00:00 - [21] Originally by: suzie stormbringer A mission runner should be able to pimp his fraction ship out to the max without fear of sucide ganks. Please pimp fit a faction ship with more officer mods than a capital ship deserves, I know this great mission/complex spot to run in. Leave your scout alt at home in station, you'll be just fine with me scouting the way! ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Gravecall	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:06:00 - [22] Edited by: Gravecall on 21/04/2008 07:06:31 Edited by: Gravecall on 21/04/2008 07:06:03 Originally by: techzer0 Edited by: techzer0 on 21/04/2008 06:50:35 No insurance payout for concord losses... and those people who mistakenly lose their CNR's or [insert shiptype here] to noobishness or a misclick while locking a war target? I'm not arguing against your idea... but have you thought of all the impacts removing insurance from concord losses would have? The added stress on the petition system that already takes forever? And as for protecting the noobs, insurance is their protection from silliness, it gets them a new ship when they accidentally shoot a person with a high sec status and a bounty the first time they see someone like that. Plenty of other consequences, but I don't care too much as I don't suicide gank and most of the ships I prefer to fly are T2... yeah, insure that I would be curious as to how the number of folks losing ships to concord due to silly mistakes compares to the number of them losing them due to suicide ganking. Yes, you could argue that at least the gank victims would continue to get insurance payouts but even with T1 ships once the price of fittings is thrown in the insurance is a far cry from compensation.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Wu Jiun yeah and of course those "unbiased" people are those that share your opinion. also yep a thread title that contains the word "ganktards" is definitely the way to go if you want a serious discussion. I have something of history of not being one of the unbiased. While this history of mine is not widely known anymore (thank god) I can see why you'd skeptical about anyone presenting themselves or trying to appear as the "voice of reason". On the flip side, sometimes they really are being the voice of reason. Barring obvious troll/flame attempt(ing) it does yourself discredit to not consider the possibility in your reply. And yes, I think the thread title is inflammatory. I also think this thread should be locked as the entire discussion should be in "Ideas" not in "General Discussion". But you can't stop the "Me! Me! Me!" syndrome that people fall victim. Maybe if they were breast feed or something ... who knows. Originally by: techzer0 No insurance payout for concord losses... and those people who mistakenly lose their CNR's or [insert shiptype here] to noobishness or a misclick while locking a war target? That is what the petition system is for. Besides, hard lessons are best. No truer words said in Eve. You screw up, petition and roll the dice. You choice to destroy your own ship, whether via Concordokken or self-destruct, kiss your insurance good bye. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Lahksa	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:06:00 - [24] Well - suicide ganking in Empire is a small problem - Hulks are easy targets and i know more then one Pliot who lost one or more hulks to Empire Pirats. With the insurance the ganker dont lose that much, had his fun and maybe can get some payment.... That is fun, but we have low sec for that and not empire. The solution: "Just make it a little bit more expensive for gankers" is not a bad idea. On the other side - we use the same mechanic to gank the Macros - its the only way you can make theyre life a little bit more harder.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 21/04/2008 07:10:10 Originally by: suzie stormbringer A mission runner should be able to pimp his fraction ship out to the max without fear of sucide ganks. Personally I'm against insurance payouts for: 1. suicide gankers 2. anyone on the declaring side of a war 3. anyone in a ship with weapons fitted 4. anyone in any ship class in 0.0 (except those covered by alliance-funded plans) But that's my dream. Fortunately it's no mere fantasy that the philosophy of Eve is completely at odds with the quoted post above. Invulnerability is for pansies.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Surgu Originally by: Keyser Sozie Noobs have it hard enough trying to learn how to play EVE without Who would suicide gank a noob? Noobs don't carry expensive stuff, the older players do. I killed a hauler for a 6m drop (out of a total of 30m!) All I saw was "hardwirings" and opened fire - you gotta be quick when suiciding... Afterwards, I looked at the character and he was 27 days into his first month I felt really bad afterwards, so gave him the isk back. We (suiciders) do it for the isk, not to hurt new players. And unfortunately for me, I have a little voice that tells me when I've been too naughty -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Keyser Sozie Edited by: Keyser Sozie on 21/04/2008 07:10:36 I have a [proposed] perfect solution to the plague that is High-Sec Ganking. This is a practice that imo is destroying this game. Noobs have it hard enough trying to learn how to play EVE without having to contend with lazy "Pirate" who are not man enough to pirate in low sec. This solution is simple, you get Concorded you get no Inurance. This is exactly how things work in the Real World, crimminals cannot profit from acts of crime they have been convicted of so I put forward this is a perfect solution. This solution works for all, if people still want to High-Sec Gank targets they can but it only becomes worthwhile on targets that carry high isk items. They don't have the Inurance to recover their loss. It stops those people who just buy a BS put as many Large Smartbombs on it that they can fit without anything else fit and just sit at gates and let them off. Yes, I know there will be a huge thread talking about how I am a girlieman, and questioning everything from my grammar to my man hood but maybe, just maybe CCP might pay attention to this matter. In the real world, if you don't have your seatbelt on (proper precaution, and the law) and you get in an auto accident and go through the front windshield and die, you don't get insurance. In Eve, if you're an idiot and don't fly your hauler correctly and die, you deserve anything you get. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Gravecall I would be curious as to how the number of folks losing ships to concord due to silly mistakes compares to the number of them losing them due to suicide ganking. Yes, you could argue that at least the gank victims would continue to get insurance payouts but even with T1 ships once the price of fittings is thrown in the insurance is a far cry from compensation. I haven't seen too many suicide ganks happening, but then there is the whole jihadswarm thing etc (I'm a lowsec pirate and war dec kinda person). And you're right that a haulers insurance payout is cheaper than the modules that go on it... I've never understood why haulers were so paper thin for the size that they are. I can carry a Battlecruiser inside of the cargohold FFS. So yes... suicide ganking is a problem. It shouldn't be stopped, but it should have some sort of consequence other than a small sec penalty and maybe a 10mil loss at the most. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:27:00 - [29] Insurance isn't the problem with suicide ganks when the gankers can easily afford to lose the entire cost of their ship and fittings even without insurance! And new players do get ganked even though they have nothing worth taking, simply because many gankers like to grief other players.
Scout McAlt	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Keyser Sozie This solution is simple, you get Concorded you get no Inurance. This is exactly how things work in the Real World, crimminals cannot profit from acts of crime they have been convicted of so I put forward this is a perfect solution. You are allowed to claim insurance from crime as long as you are not trying to defraud the insurance policy. Thats two seperate things.

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