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craygan	Posted - 2008.04.21 09:54:00 - [1] its the same old question isk per hr... I am currently exploring sites in 0.0 I usually check around 10 systems (I usually find a site.. hack or arch) if you go on the basis of:- 1 hr to search systems 1 hr to find site 1 hr to destroy ships and hack site... ok 1hr each maybe a bit long but were not always lucky and find things straight away.. for me its alway later rather than sooner.. some sites cant be done alone as they put out to much damage, meaning you need a corp mate to help... (share profit..) on average I'm getting 20-30mil loot i would be happy with 10 mil/hr its kinda level par with lvl4 mission running in a raven minus the risk...... If i have to share profit you are looking at 5 mil per hr.. making mission running more profitable (wtf, based on the risk reward thing 0.0 should be worth more..) am i doing something wrong, maybe im just rubbish? what kind of profits are others people getting?
FlameGlow Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.21 10:19:00 - [2] Edited by: FlameGlow on 21/04/2008 10:22:22 Originally by: craygan its the same old question isk per hr... I am currently exploring sites in 0.0 I usually check around 10 systems (I usually find a site.. hack or arch) if you go on the basis of:- 1 hr to search systems 1 hr to find site 1 hr to destroy ships and hack site... ok 1hr each maybe a bit long but were not always lucky and find things straight away.. for me its alway later rather than sooner.. some sites cant be done alone as they put out to much damage, meaning you need a corp mate to help... (share profit..) on average I'm getting 20-30mil loot i would be happy with 10 mil/hr its kinda level par with lvl4 mission running in a raven minus the risk...... If i have to share profit you are looking at 5 mil per hr.. making mission running more profitable (wtf, based on the risk reward thing 0.0 should be worth more..) am i doing something wrong, maybe im just rubbish? what kind of profits are others people getting? You should be able to find site in 3-4 systems, not 10 - maybe you have competition there? Arch/hack sites are all doable solo, you're doing something wrong there. Do unknowns - they could be lot more lucrative, I'm getting 10mil isk/hour in highsec from them.
Infinity Nova Shadow Company Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.21 15:46:00 - [3] I've asked myself this question.. My suggestion is to: A) Scan systems, after DT is the best, since that's the best chance of something still available. B) Improve scanning skills C) Kill Faster, bring an alt if needed. D) Tank up your ship better, all the arch/hack sites I've found are doable solo. E) Include DED plexes, deadspace loot adds quite a bit to the bottom line and risk/reward ratio. F) The payoff isn't revealed immediately from hack/arch sites, unless you have the skills to invent "free invention materials" or build rigs "free salvage and bpc's". G) Or stick with L4 missions and grind away in a boring high sec system.. expected pay/no risk Unless you're as bored as I get and fall asleep in a high sec mission, w/o a passive tank.. wake up in a pod Give me 0.0 any day, it keeps the blood pumping and rewards have been great!! My 2 isk.. Infinity Nova
Bhodistafa Gallente Amen Anera	Posted - 2008.04.21 16:17:00 - [4] sighs Why is it always about isk/hr? Eve is a game not a job, why not just play for the fun? Oh, and I keep score by the amount of enjoyment I get out of the activity rather than the isk made...before the scorers chime in. 30 mill for what you describe is good money. I play casually and would retire a happy bunny for the night if I looted 30 mill in 0.0, but that's me.
M'aressi malakia	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:15:00 - [5] Originally by: craygan its the same old question isk per hr... i would be happy with 10 mil/hr its kinda level par with lvl4 mission running in a raven minus the risk...... Not sure what missions you are running but I average 20 mil+ per lvl 4 mission. Run them in a Golem fitted with 2X tractor and 1 X salvage instead of a Raven Key points: - loot everything - salvage everything - refine low end loot, sell rest - sell salvage or make quick rigs/sell - do NOT ignore LPs I get about 10-12 mil/hr for bounties + rewards, about 5 mil in loot (named + refined=minerals), 1-2 mil in salvage, 4K+ LP per mission (worth 4mil or more for the right items) = 20-25mil (take out a bit to cover the cost of ammo and the occasional lost drone) I do 2-3 missions per night (after work): 2-3 hrs. Net: 60+ mil and this all in high sec - no risk (except for the annoying loot thief) Just pick the "right" type of missions and refuse the crappy ones... Junk dealer extraordinaire ------------------------------------------- If it's been sitting un-used in your hangar for more than 3 months then you either forgot about it or will never use it
Greenbolt Minmatar Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.04.21 20:12:00 - [6] Ive done 0.0 exploration since it came out. Im gonna answer your question this way: Are you a gambling man? Reliable isk per hour...run L4s in empire any day. Want a bit of risk..and the chance of a good find...do exploration. Now adays exploration as not as profitable as before...gone are the days that radar sites are worth on average 250-300M and now worth closer to 40-50M each. Arch even more a gamble. (Some rig parts about par with a L4 mission..or some sexy POS bpcs and the better t2 rig bpcs Unknowns are a better gamble ..chance of expedition and tough sites with maybe deadspace faction items. You could get very little..or alot. You explore for the gamble...not the isk per hour. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Chimay Caldari Infinite Horizons Unlimited Horizons	Posted - 2008.04.21 20:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Chimay on 21/04/2008 20:53:12 To answer your question 0.0 can and is worth it. If youÆre going to do exploration ninja style in hostile territory, most likely not worth it. It could be but the really nice drops come with time. You need something long term to get what you want out of it. I used to do Exploration in 0.0 daily. Normally IÆd just scan systems while I was busy doing other things out of game. Because the time it takes itÆs a nice activity to do on the side. When I was finally able t to play that day I would do the sites I found. The value very a lot. There are two that IÆd find often Gurista Base, Or Gurista Military Base. Both of which had a Dread spawn in it. Some times in both rooms of the Military base one. Just between those two explorations IÆve done about 25 of those. Plus other types, such as 8/10 and 6/10 plexs. The best item I received in the exploration site solo was a Dread Gurista Battery. I never received anything of real value. On a good day it would hold a named mod worth 30m or so. Now for the DED complexes found from exploration, they have really nice loot. But it requires a decent group. A lot of tactics and a couple hours to complete one. The last one I did I drake tanked it with a logistic in tow, the rest of my team mates in ravens. By the end of the night we received a lot of nice loot. Large Dread tower, some shield amps and other misc high value loot. In the end there were 3 of us (4 counting my alt). Split three ways we earned 600m each. But you really need a group to complete those. Was about 200m an hour each. This weekend I tried exploration in low sec. I found an unknown on my 2nd system I scanned. It chained 6 times! In 0.0 the longest chain I saw was 3. In this low sec run I got 6 Dom spawns. Domination Nanofiber, Gist-C type Shield Booster, and Explosion Hardener. IÆve yet to look up the value of those three. The very last stage of this plex was exactly the same as 0.0 only rather than a ton of Battle Ships; it contained a ton of Battle Cruisers. The Drake I was driving at the time could tank 900DPS; this low sec plex broke my tank. I had to bring my Logistic alt in and run duel large Shield Transporters to finish it. The station even smarted bombed like 0.0 Either way you run of risk of being found fit for PVE and your pants down. Something interesting to think about however is how much safer it is to do exploration in 0.0. Provided you gain blue status with a large group controlling the area. You can safely plex all day as I did without much risk. With my recent experience with the lowsec the risk is much higher for less value loot compared to 0.0. My PvP videos http://www.bradster.net
craygan	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:42:00 - [8] thanks for the input guys. guessing my answer is keep trying.....so gamble is my anwswer (besides war dec's interfear with missions). i hate mission running anyway and exploring in 0.0 is far more fun.. as for scanning skill all lvl 4 (will get lvl 5s at some point..), covert ops with rigs and faction scanner.. (after quests its easy...) kill faster.. will have to get corp mate to help do that as dont have enough time to run two account.. and besides i like the idea of one char earning his own way, rather than having an alt funding 0.0, wars etc. (maybe i should by GTC lol) tank.. fitted a typhoon 4cruise 2 art's 4cap recharge II large armor rep II 3* 1600mm rt 2rat spercific resists tech II.. damage control II 3 trimark rigs 5* ogre thought this was a good tank...? plexs take to long to complete.. invention.. our pos only just got labs... as for.. Originally by: Bhodistafa sighs Why is it always about isk/hr? Eve is a game not a job, why not just play for the fun? Oh, and I keep score by the amount of enjoyment I get out of the activity rather than the isk made...before the scorers chime in. 30 mill for what you describe is good money. I play casually and would retire a happy bunny for the night if I looted 30 mill in 0.0, but that's me. I agree its a game i play for fun and dont play 24/7 either.. the isk/hr thing sucks, but if you dont have isk you cant play.... defending your own space costs you ships... last time i checked they cost isk... maybe we should all just play on the test server fly arround in titans and DD each other to death..... the post was intended to discuse not just give an inept comment cheers anyway.
Rellana DAB	Posted - 2008.04.23 10:00:00 - [9] I did cosmic Anomalies and made a decent bit of iskies.Starting from a 0.0 station we went 3 jumps away from the station then the 2 of us would each warp to a moon and start scanning. If we found anything under 0.5 sec status both of us would warp them and proceed to clean the rats out,salvage and grab any decent loot,then rinse and repeat.Commonly got about 10 decent min-plexes as we called them in a hour,and we ran them until we got tired..
Agif UnderDog Industries Total Eclipse Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:12:00 - [10] i have made in little under a month probing around the figure of 5 - 6 bil in 0.0 This maybe beginners luck or just the fact im using 4 chars to probe and run the sites. Also if you divide the number i came out wiv 1.5 bil a month probing in 0.0 is still good iskies... better than veld mining!!!! --------------- EvEmissions - Level 5 Missions - Updated 22/01/08
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Agif better than veld mining!!!! Shh! The Veldnaught might hear you and visit you in your sleep, and mine your skull... -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Agif UnderDog Industries Total Eclipse Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.23 13:31:00 - [12] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Originally by: Agif better than veld mining!!!! Shh! The Veldnaught might hear you and visit you in your sleep, and mine your skull... Does this mean i get a visit from Saint Chribba and his band of merry Miners --------------- EvEmissions - Level 5 Missions - Updated 22/01/08

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:37:00 - [13] Posting in a mining thread! Exploration in 0.0 is great... I think. I don't know. Never tried it. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Bhodistafa sighs Why is it always about isk/hr? Eve is a game not a job, why not just play for the fun? Oh, and I keep score by the amount of enjoyment I get out of the activity rather than the isk made...before the scorers chime in. 30 mill for what you describe is good money. I play casually and would retire a happy bunny for the night if I looted 30 mill in 0.0, but that's me. sorry if you take this as an attack but you are a carebare. i play the game for fun and fighting NPC entities is not fun for me, otherwise i wuld play a single player. the isk/hour ratio is in place so people can earn money within a normal time to supply their PVP. PVP is why the most people play eve. carebaring is made to sustain your PVP and the less you carebare the more you can PVP. being online 3 hours to make 30m isk is not worth my time, especially since 30m isk isnt even one properly fitted ship that can be lost to an enemy. so yes, PVE is not everybodys hobby, and yes people do PVE so they can do PVP and yes this is why the older player allways cry about the isk/hour ratio that is nowadays, because in past days you could earn a lot mor money in shorter time. also in past days you had more pvp because people had the balls to risk their isk because they knew they can make enough isk in one hour to buy another ship. nowadays you got only gang bangs and no solo pvp at all, and even gang pvp became less. so to make eve a pvp game you should direct the people so they can earn more money in the same time, otherwise we can all play singleplayer games instead of eve. eve just isnt what it used to be 1-2 years ago. and no it is not better. yes i know i am whining, but hey i pay for pvp not for pve.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Chribba Posting in a mining thread! Exploration in 0.0 is great... I think. I don't know. Never tried it. not worth tryng. ded is what makes the money but you must be online after DT to do them and you must run for it. usually one person do the ded plexes all the time because there are methods to shut the plex down so only you can do it if you are fast enough.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.04.24 19:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Nero Winger Originally by: Bhodistafa Why is it always about isk/hr? Eve is a game not a job, why not just play for the fun? sorry if you take this as an attack but you are a carebare. i play the game for fun and fighting NPC entities is not fun for me, otherwise i wuld play a single player. the isk/hour ratio is in place so people can earn money within a normal time to supply their PVP. Sorry, Nero, but you are the Care Bear(tm) here. Run level 4 missions all day long so you can buy T2-fitted battleships for "PVP"? The whole philosophy of it is to minimize challenge and play the game like a robot. A real PVPer can earn money from PVP and use it to fund his PVE. Challenge yourself to go out in a PVP-fit Rifter and earn enough to pay for a sisters-fit covert ops to do some probing in 0.0. That's my idea of enjoying EVE.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.24 21:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Nero Winger Originally by: Bhodistafa Why is it always about isk/hr? Eve is a game not a job, why not just play for the fun? sorry if you take this as an attack but you are a carebare. i play the game for fun and fighting NPC entities is not fun for me, otherwise i wuld play a single player. the isk/hour ratio is in place so people can earn money within a normal time to supply their PVP. Sorry, Nero, but you are the Care Bear(tm) here. Run level 4 missions all day long so you can buy T2-fitted battleships for "PVP"? The whole philosophy of it is to minimize challenge and play the game like a robot. A real PVPer can earn money from PVP and use it to fund his PVE. Challenge yourself to go out in a PVP-fit Rifter and earn enough to pay for a sisters-fit covert ops to do some probing in 0.0. That's my idea of enjoying EVE. why do you assume, why don't you ask me before you make speculations of what i am doing. just for your information, i never did any mission, well yes did one back in 2005 but never again. i don't even have any agents anywhere. i can fly with lvl1 agents and never have flown a lvl2 or lvl3 or even a lvl4 mission. how i make my money is my thing but no it is not from pvp, because i am to lazy to loot in pvp, or when i loot i give it to my corp. and no i don't NPC in 0.0, this is to time consuming for me. money is made when i am not online, which is the true money making process of a PVP'er. when i amonline i don't need to care about money cause i made it when i was asleep
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.25 13:48:00 - [18] Quote: A real PVPer can earn money from PVP and use it to fund his PVE. That's not true at all. A real PVPer will fight other real PVPers and will thus win, on average, half the time. However, the loss experienced when you lose is far greater than the profits you get when you win. When you lose, your ship, implants, rigs, and modules all go up in smoke. When you win, you get half the other guys modules. Therefore, any PvP engagement results in a net loss of funds among the parcipants. It is therefore impossible for a warring group to 'fund' anything with their war. This is both realistic and obvious, given how all the alliances scramble about earning trillions of isk to fund their wars. Wars destroy, they do not create.
Greenbolt Minmatar Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.04.25 17:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: A real PVPer can earn money from PVP and use it to fund his PVE. That's not true at all. A real PVPer will fight other real PVPers and will thus win, on average, half the time. However, the loss experienced when you lose is far greater than the profits you get when you win. When you lose, your ship, implants, rigs, and modules all go up in smoke. When you win, you get half the other guys modules. Therefore, any PvP engagement results in a net loss of funds among the parcipants. It is therefore impossible for a warring group to 'fund' anything with their war. This is both realistic and obvious, given how all the alliances scramble about earning trillions of isk to fund their wars. Wars destroy, they do not create. This all sounds good and all..what it ignores is the most common class of pvper. The ganker. They dont fight fights they can win half the time. They only fight when they know they can win. Blame hatred of grinding for isk/replacement ships..or just the whole ganker mentality...but I doubt more than a small percentage of pvpers are of the type you describe. npc rat hunting gangs and gate campers can easily make isk.. and suicide gankers in empire probably make alot more than the mission runners they blowing up right now. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?

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