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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 12:49:00 -
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OK guys, if anyone would like to help out it would be great.
How about a huge massive one, i mean one that will be running for months!
All we need is to have one 0.0 system to utilise as the tournament system, pref with a station in it.
I'll start working on the logistics of it now, more details in the next few days.....
til then 'RUBBER DUCKY '
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Drac Dragnog
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:02:00 -
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Dont forget to contact the Devs and Aurora. They prolly can help out much better.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.23 13:30:00 -
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Cheers man I'm looking to make it big, REALLY BIG
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Vangelis
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Posted - 2004.04.23 14:14:00 -
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If its well organised and has Dev backup i think u can expect it to be very big..i would defintly be in
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Trent Cooper
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Posted - 2004.04.24 08:34:00 -
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hell yes! I guess that means interceptors should be excluded.
So you are thinking something like a tournament season? players score points from wins/losses.. round robin stuff? I'd pay. Even for just participating in a couple of rounds
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.24 22:18:00 -
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Ok, so far the ideas that i have for the tournament goes like this:
1, the classic 1v1
2, 5v5 Corps wars. (The corp enters the tournament as a whole. Can be any 5 members, not necessarily the same ones)
3, race wars 1v1. (For the RP guys out there . 4 subsections are Amarr flying Amarr against each other and so on for Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar)
All of them will start on a League system and once everyone has played against a certain number of other competitors the top players are entered into a knock-out tournament.
I now it is all still a bit vague, but better organisation of the exact structure will be a hell of a lot easier when i know the roughly how many ppl will be entering.
oh, and entry fees will be required . These will all go into the prize pot for the winners.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.24 22:23:00 -
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P.S.
I'll be making an Alt char for ppl to eve-mail their interest and ideas to. The Character will be the official co-ordinator, I'll tell yas the name in about 20mins when i've created him/her.
More details to come over the next few hours as i sort out the jumblt that's in my head right now 
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.24 22:58:00 -
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OK, anyone interested in the Tournament please eve-mail The Mook ingame. This way i can get an idea of what exaclty you guys are looking 
This will not be a 1 or 2 week run event, it is gonna be massive. I would love to run it for at least 2-3 months but this will only happen with your help
'Til then 'RUBBER DUCKY!'
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.04.25 01:30:00 -
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Sounds great! I'll definitely be competing >:)
And excluding interceptors ? Why ? You'd just make it so only interceptors could fight other interceptors/magnates. Unless of course someone wanted to fight a superior vessel >:)
At any rate I think it's a great idea, should do it arena style with an audience and big brawny bouncers/peacekeepers. Dev/Aurora support would be cool (possibly a prize from them?) And corporations should sponsor it. I'd definitely bring a bunch of people with me into this kind of a competition.
Once it's established you should branch into cruiser vs cruiser and battleship vs battleship duels and competitions, have a system where you get points for every victory depending on strength of foe, with grand master status and a ranking system..
Loads of potential
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Cracken
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Posted - 2004.04.25 06:36:00 -
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maybe have 3 on 3 ladder matches with one pilot getting 2 pick 2 entry's in the tournament as his wingman. Also maybe limit the use of certain weapons such as cruise missles so that frigates without the ability too launch 4 at once aren't immediately obliterated. Also have different levels of competition such as rookie level, advanced, and expert with entry at each level costing different amounts and having different payouts depending on the level their competing at. Also limiting mounting of such devices as ecm too keep the fight fairer in the lower competitive ladder seeing as electronic warfares a fairly high level skill.
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.25 12:17:00 -
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Okay, I think its a bit too ambitous, to be honest, I think you might just manage it if you stick to your original plan, whilst the other ideas are great, I think he'd die of exhaustion if he put them in too 
I agree with not having cruise missiles, or maybe no missiles at all? Because a ship without launchers can't really do anything about them, unless he/she jammed the ship, but then the ship could just equip anti-ecm devices and missile launchers... and would win every time...
As for ECM, sorry, but I think it should stay, its an integral part in ship setup, and to be honest, it doesn't require that high a level skills, and neither do anti-ecm devices. Remember, this isn't just a newbie tournament :) .
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.25 15:37:00 -
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Heavy missile will prob be the biggest missile allowed, if we removed missile all together it would prevent the likes of a Kestrel, Inquisitor and Breacher from being viable ships to be used in the Tourny.
I want as broad a range of players in the tourny as possible so everything else modules ways is gonna stay
But one thing that is definately needed is a rough number of ppl who are going to enter, this will help greatly in working out the logistics of it all. I'll post up any help i need soon, right now i'm off the eat my Dinner
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.25 18:11:00 -
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Yarr, everyone spread the word!!
I need those numbers
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.04.26 19:00:00 -
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how about fights like 3 frigs vs 1 int, or even cruiser? (3 might not be enough, not sure. whatever to make it roughly fair.), kinda like in rome where theyd have a bunch of slaves try and take on a) gladiators or b) Lions. Could be interesting :)
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:18:00 -
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I was thinking about the Frigate vs cruiser thing, it just depends how much help i can get in organising :)
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.26 22:48:00 -
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well so far i have looked into three systems that may be viable locations to hold the tournament in, they are:
1, SKARKON/ MOLDEN HEATH REGION
2, NAGA/ ARIDIA REGION
3, EZA_FM? SYNDICATE REGION
One thing i will definately need will be some support from all the major alliances. It will be great if i could get a representitive from each alliance to offer their services in a security council to help protect the competitors and spectators. I also ask if any alliance lays claim to any of these systems to contact 'The Mook' in game and state whether they would allow useage of the system during tournaments.
I want to try and get the full support of the community in this endeavour to hopefully have competitors in the tournament that reflects the broad spectrum characters in this great game that is called EVE
oh by the way, if any of my previous posts, or future ones, are damn near unreadable i've an excuse. My grammer is deplorable due to having slight dyslexia half the time when i proof read something i can't even makes sense of it
more to come, 'til then 'RUBBER DUCKY!@
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.27 00:50:00 -
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Oh, was wondering. could someone from the Aurora Project leave me contact details?
I'm still gathering up info about how much organisation this will take and would love some official help. Hopefully tomorrow by about 9pm GMT i'll have a broad plan sorted out about how the tournament will work.
Thanks in advance
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.04.27 11:56:00 -
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ya know, theres really no reason for this not to take place in Empire space...
just have the people who are fighting gang each other so they wont be blown up by concord.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.27 12:18:00 -
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Hmm, thought they removed that man
I'm gonna test it out, if so it will save a lot of hassle
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:11:00 -
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Just tried the gang thing, your sec status takes a hit so it is not a viable option
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:33:00 -
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I'd recomend X-7omu or one of the other SOE systems in Pure blind, they have stations, are only a few jumps from empire and the nearest Alliance is the PA who can generaly be trusted.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:35:00 -
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Or you could do this in Empire by setting up a couple of corp at war with each other (ie Red team and Blue team), that the contestants can join for their battles.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:40:00 -
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only problem with the two corp thing is the hassle for the contestants to leave their corp just for an hour or two and then rejoin it again.
Was thinking that maybe entropy server would be handy for it, but i don't know if ccp would allow this
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FoRGyL
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: FoRGyL on 27/04/2004 15:06:52
just a tought...range limit? 
damn good idea..nice for the noob's as well
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alar1c
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:17:00 -
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With the new leaving/joining corps rules, a red/Blue corp war wouldn't work! It would take 24 hours to leave your old corp! and the rejoining and resetting peoples rights would also be a pain!!
But I like the idea of the frigate tourney!!
WOW will be putting a team in!
I would "suggest" 2 to 4 regional fight areas! That way you could start them as regional events, and work up to a champions tourney at the end. That way someone from Stain would have to run the gaunlet of 1.0 space all the way to F-E as an example!
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:22:00 -
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I am interrested in 1v1 and free for all
0.0 is fine with me. I will not leave my corp to join a BlueTeam or RedTeam corp.
Auldare contrat on starting something like that, don't give up!
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:23:00 -
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I wouldn't be too happy about it being on entropy, sorry. I feel it would detract from the game experience, it would just feel, wrong?
I'm all for the regional tournaments idea, though .
...you know, I can also see a possible opening for a bookmaker in all of this (for gambling), maybe BIG Games could get involved? Might be a monumental task, but, hey . I were thinking that instead of having odds, they could just split the money from all the losing gamblers, with all the winning gamblers, dead easy, and maybe they could make a small profit out of it too? Oh man, that would be sooo cool , all in all, contact BIG games!
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:28:00 -
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was thinking the same thing Haggis, I'll get in contact with BIG asap about it. Regional would be great, it just depends on how much staff i can get to help run it all. i'll post more in the next hour or so as i digest everyone ideas.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:40:00 -
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were thinking that instead of having odds, they could just split the money from all the losing gamblers, with all the winning gamblers, dead easy, and maybe they could make a small profit out of it too?
ach, propper betting with odds would be much more fun (if anyone is upto the task), being the longshot and winning, making sure you only just win to keep your odds good and of course match fixing
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haggis
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Posted - 2004.04.27 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Tzu
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were thinking that instead of having odds, they could just split the money from all the losing gamblers, with all the winning gamblers, dead easy, and maybe they could make a small profit out of it too?
ach, propper betting with odds would be much more fun (if anyone is upto the task), being the longshot and winning, making sure you only just win to keep your odds good and of course match fixing
The problem being it would only end up in BIG Games being completely broke (for instance, someone putting a massive bet on something, and then winning, yes, it could go the other way, but, with odds it would mean that the 'other side' most probably wouldn't pump in enough money to cover the winnings and also the losses of the 'other side' simply being split evenly (and everyone only being allowed one bet, unlike in the lottery) would actually allow BIG to make a profit, for a change, as well as it being dead simple, although, time consuming seeing as the money would have to be given to each player individually (maybe ccp could help there?))
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.04.29 17:49:00 -
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regarding odds, think of it as players set the odds.
if 500,000 isk is bet on side A, and only 100,00 on B (by many different players, not just one on each side) then it stands to reason that people think theres a 5:1 chance to win.
Thats the way to do it if noone wants to make a profit of course.
but yeh, the easiest way to do 'odds' is not to, and to just hand back nearly all of whats entered.
so in my previous example, if side B won, youd split the 600,000 total isk between all of the winners, in proportion to how much they bet.
Also, what you could do, to make a profit, is if side B won, hand back to each of side B's betters the original 100k. Then take the 500k, give 10% to organizers, 10% to the pilot who won, and 80% (400k) back to the winners of the gambling.
And consider sponsors as well. not just for the overall competition, but for individual pilots too. ("And here we see Shimatu, piloting his beutifully setup Kestral class frigate, as created by Infinite Improbability Inc.." Then (possibly :P) if i won, people would buy more ships from my sponsor :P)
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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.04.30 02:05:00 -
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You could also have sponsers supply products to be shown and demonstated. say, have a few interceptors on sale, and show them kicking ass. might be enough for some people to buy one if there located at an in-system market. if, of cource, enough people came.
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alar1c
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Posted - 2004.04.30 14:04:00 -
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A couple of other things to think about as far as rules are concerned;
What about jet cans from destroyed ships? Can the people that lost there ship recover their stuff after teh battle? or more of a "to the winner goes the spoils" policy? Something to think about.
I'd think twice about heavy missiles in frigate fights. If that's going to be allowed, I'll have to go find my Kestral, (I know I left if somewhere ).
Different matches; A Bear Pit, have 5 to 10 ships equaled spaced apart, with no corp or alliance members at teh same time. Basically a free-for-all. Last man standing wins! can be fun!
Can you have lock on a target before the start of a match? on the word go, will you have to start locking, or will you allow pre-locked ships?
Podding; will there be a penalty for podding an enemy combatant?
And I'd suggest, clearly stating that all KOS and corp wars be left at home!
Well a couple of my thoughts for you all!
I'd like to here other peoples ideas or comments?
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:04:00 -
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Just have one ship scout out a "safe spot" somewhere in 0.0 space. Anyone willing to spectate or participate in the tournament will gang up with that ship and gang warp to them. :)
You can have whatever corp is sponsoring the tournament, bring a few ships to defend the gate being used to enter that 0.0 system.
There should be a 0.0 system that is connected to the "Orvolle" system, I think that would be a good spot to hold the tournament.
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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.05.01 01:33:00 -
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and if you go into a publicly announced system, you would need to clear it first, because im sure some pirates will be lurking. mabie limit ship size to cruser so that event staff in bs can maintain a certan amount of control. also you might want some interceptors for frigate croud control and control of the contestants.
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Makhar
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Posted - 2004.05.02 06:22:00 -
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Sounds good. When you planning on running this?
Makhar - CEO, Independent Miner's Guild
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.05.02 22:47:00 -
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Can't be bothered to read up and check if this has been suggested before, but I have a solution to the problem of effectiveness disparity between frigates, one inspired by boxing and mixed martial arts.
Estabilish weight-classes and have participants to compete in these weight-classes. Tier one frigates would be lightweight, tier two would be welterweight, all tier three frigates would be middleweight, and ceptors/rare frigates would be in the cruiserweight range - alternately, if multiple Magnates show up, one could estabilish a heavyweight bracket for them to duke it out.
'course, this works best if there's a whole assload of entrants applying for different weight-classes; if there's only two fighters in a bracket, the climb to championship is rather short and uneventful. Since we know that in an un-regulated deathmatch, people will simply enter their most powerful ship, we can address this by opening the doors to multiple entries per player into however many weight-classes he desires to enter, and with separate prizes for each weight class.
Anyway, I'm drinking a great deal, so if this makes no sense, blame this delicious bottle of Disaronno Originale.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2004.05.02 23:55:00 -
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I had been working on a frig tournament for XIF in the past, sadly I didn't have the time to make it and then I left XIF.
I was proposing the following rules (taken from the amarr championship):
Combat rules:
1/teams of 4 fighters max (less allowed)
2/Once all ships of one team have been destroyed, the other team wins.
3/If all ships are destroyed, the team whose ship was destroyed last wins.
4/Combatants must use frigate ships only (no interceptor)
5/Contestants must be present at the location of the championship 15 minutes before a match is set to begin.
6/Teams that show up late may be disqualified.
7/Two judges appointed by XIF decide on winners and losers
8/judges' word is final
9/A judge can cancel a fight if there are any interruptions or irregularities may affect the outcome of the battle.
10/A judge can declare a fight invalid if there is evidence of unfair play.
11/Cheaters will be disqualified.
12/Targeting, shooting and destruction of an opposing team memberĘs escape pod will result in the immediate disqualification of the offending team.
13/Escape pods damaged by "splash damage" are exempt for this rule. (tho splash damage is not supposed to exist anymore)
14/Targeting, shooting and destruction of a judge ship will result in the immediate disqualification of the offending team.
15/Light missiles, defender and rockets are allowed in this tournament, no other missile types (heavy missiles being t0o big imo)
16/A team can proceed into a fight if wingmen are missing
17/Light Drones are the only drone types allowed
18/Target Jamming modules are not allowed
I've sent u an eve mail about this Auldare.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.05.03 00:18:00 -
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Cheers for all the input guys, sorry i haven't been active in this matter for a couple of days
I'm knackered right now and off to bed, so i'll post more info tomorrow
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Ka Dargo
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Posted - 2004.05.06 03:04:00 -
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This is a great idea & I would love to compete, hopefully not everyone uses a kestral with 4 torps :)
I know this has been brought up before, but having regular frigate competeions (offical ones with CCP organising them would be awesome) I know it would be difficult to organise with time zones etc, but it would be so awesome.
I think similar rulesto the amaar chamionship would be good, except allow heavy missles, allow jamming... but not cruise.
and alone who podded another should be punished, as it's not in the spirit of the competion.
- Ka Dargo.
[ 2005.04.10 14:41:05 ] Your 425mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Dread Pith Massacrer, wrecking for 1271.6 damage.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.05.07 16:58:00 -
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This great idea of a event seems to be dying.
Dying or not, I will fight anyone here in a frigate battle. If we can to a massive free for all fight that would also be good. EVE-Mail me in-game so we can get to fight each others.
If anyone seeks frigate fights, contact me.
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Auldare
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Posted - 2004.05.08 21:18:00 -
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I was thinking that it my be good to postpone the tourney until shiva has been established for about a month, this way i can try and get official help with organising it. What do you think guys?
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2004.05.09 16:57:00 -
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I think that you should try to recruit regional coordinators to handle local details. Set it up as a league, with franchises available to those of good repute (not necessarily tied to sec status) who can organize local groups to compete. That would take a heavy load off your shoulders, leaving you to organize the Grand Melee or Championship Tournament, however you decide you wish to run it.
In fact, if you decide to do this on a long-term basis you could have different formats of tournament, just for variety. However, for something like that you DEFINITELY need others. Perhaps a call for volunteers would be appropriate?
Ulthar
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The' Reaper
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Posted - 2004.05.10 22:12:00 -
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i think its a great idea it would run alot smoother if u had managers for each event as it would help u and get things going easier
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.05.17 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir
This great idea of a event seems to be dying.
Dying or not, I will fight anyone here in a frigate battle. If we can to a massive free for all fight that would also be good. EVE-Mail me in-game so we can get to fight each others.
If anyone seeks frigate fights, contact me.
So no one wants to fight me? Come on!
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2004.05.18 19:25:00 -
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I'll fight ya'
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.05.19 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Valrandir on 19/05/2004 13:00:05
Originally by: Letifer Deus
I'll fight ya'
Excellent, so there was at least one serious poster in that thread 
I am on a customer site for work this week, let's do it next saturday. I'll contact you in-game.
To anyone else who wish to participate we can do a free for all melee battle, contact me in-game.
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