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Kontika	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:34:00 - [1] Hi all, I have been playing EVE for just over 3 weeks now, and have just started a corp to try to help out noobie miners make a little extra cash to get them started. We clearly state this in the corp description. On our second day of being a corp, with 3 new members all under a week old, some cowards have decided to declare war on my corp. I have to ask, what sort of cowards declare war on 2-3 day old unarmed miners? How is this in the best interestes of the game to scare away newbies like this? Is there nothing that can be done to prevent this? I know I cant fight them, at least one of the members is over 6 months old and will far outskill/outgun my and noobs. Why do people have to stoop to ruining things for everyone else just coz they are bored? Seriously! If anyone could help get these loosers off our backs it would be appreciated big time. Any suggestions other than (run and hide) would be welcome also. Their name is BLOODLUST Thanks Kontika
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:38:00 - [2] Merge as a division or flat out with a larger corporation till you're not all soft targets anymore then re-emerge on your own feet again. That or change locations often to make them work for their kills. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Akane Miyamoto Paisti Paisti Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Akane Miyamoto on 22/04/2008 13:39:03 You have a really few options at this point. And no, there's no absolute way to prevent a wardeclaration on a corporation. Since you're fresh to the game I doubt you can hire mercenarys to chase them off so that leaves you two options; You train up your combat skills and fight them with cheap frigates (This can prove to be quite educational if you can sustain your PvPing with missions/mining) and during mining sessions ALWAYS look at local for a wartarget entry or optionally disband the corporation temporarily and skill up your characters in NPC corps which are the only way to be wardec safe. You could also all join a larger corporation but that would place you under their command and would somewhat cripple your freedom. Though they can provide a lot of support and advice to you and your friends if you've chosen a good corporation --------------- The Miyamotos, Chapter #1.5
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:47:00 - [4] Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 22/04/2008 13:49:36 you have 3 options when your faced with a situation like this. option 1. is to fight back in cheep ships and learn some basic pvp (this can be alot of fun when you pull off ganking a shiney ship with frigs ) option 2. is to join a alliance to make you very unattracktiv to fight option 3. is to disband your corp for a while and reform it or dont play eve for a week til they get bored and go away. my personal recomendation is to go with option 1 and try and earn some respect, dont repeat the mistakes of other peopel and first try out pvp after a long time in empire. now you may all flame me
K'reemy G'udness Gallente The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Kontika Hi all, I have been playing EVE for just over 3 weeks now, and have just started a corp to try to help out noobie miners make a little extra cash to get them started. We clearly state this in the corp description. On our second day of being a corp, with 3 new members all under a week old, some cowards have decided to declare war on my corp. I have to ask, what sort of cowards declare war on 2-3 day old unarmed miners? How is this in the best interestes of the game to scare away newbies like this? Is there nothing that can be done to prevent this? I know I cant fight them, at least one of the members is over 6 months old and will far outskill/outgun my and noobs. Why do people have to stoop to ruining things for everyone else just coz they are bored? Seriously! If anyone could help get these loosers off our backs it would be appreciated big time. Any suggestions other than (run and hide) would be welcome also. Their name is BLOODLUST Thanks Kontika In other news, Eve has mean people in it.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:54:00 - [6] stupid fukin griefers this is like america declaring war on ethiopia for bein skinny ppl or something IMO.
gfldex Kabelkopp	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Kontika We clearly state this in the corp description. Why do you tell anybody that you are weak? Quote: some cowards Name calling wont get you much respect. Quote: I have to ask, what sort of cowards declare war on 2-3 day old unarmed miners? How is this in the best interestes of the game to scare away newbies like this? If you get scared away by a simple war dec or can't find a solution you are a bad player. Bad players are driven out of any game. That's nothing about EVE. Quote: Is there nothing that can be done to prevent this? I know I cant fight them, at least one of the members is over 6 months old and will far outskill/outgun my and noobs. If older players are so much more powerful then you, why don't you join them? Quote: Why do people have to stoop to ruining things for everyone else just coz they are bored? It could be blood lust. Quote: If anyone could help get these loosers off our backs it would be appreciated big time. They are off their backs. That's what war drums do to you. Quote: Any suggestions other than (run and hide) would be welcome also. First, stop whining and name calling. Nobody will give you any respect for both. And respect is the only thing you got right now (or better could have gotten). If you can't find out how to fight them, you should not be the leader of you folk. Find somebody else to do it or you will hit this very forum every time there is a problem. Learn how the game works. Learn what the search button can to for you (or use eve-search.com). What happens to you is there for years and EVE is growing all the time. It's fine, that's why it's not going to get changed and you have to learn how to deal with it. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
cyberdog D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:57:00 - [8] It's unfortunate that it's happened to you but when you undock in this game you agree to PVP, simple as that. I don't know of many war-dec corps that will just declare for no reason, so you may have to talk to your members and see if they have spoken to people in bad ways (Smack talk is the biggest reason for a war dec).
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:58:00 - [9] What the goon said. Furthermore, have they offered you terms of surrender? You may have to offer up your surrender in order to retract the war dec. This kind of thing happens all the time. You will have to adapt and fight back, disband, join them, or meet their demands.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:59:00 - [10] Originally by: cyberdog It's unfortunate that it's happened to you but when you undock in this game you agree to PVP, simple as that. I don't know of many war-dec corps that will just declare for no reason, so you may have to talk to your members and see if they have spoken to people in bad ways (Smack talk is the biggest reason for a war dec). well sumtimes i get scammed while dockd so i guess thats pvp ( stupid scammers ) ________________________________________________ ME BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN MY BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM

Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Slave 775 on 22/04/2008 14:02:58 Originally by: Kontika Hi all, On our second day of being a corp, with 3 new members all under a week old, some cowards have decided to declare war on my corp. Maybe try to ask yourself WHY they declare war upon a 3 man corp. Not even the low level griefers would dec a 3 man corp without a reason. BTW you want help, then i highly recommend not posting with a faceless alt.
Yarrr grr	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:04:00 - [12] I tried to look them up ingame but couldnt find the corp you listed.
PwnzDeLeOwnz Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:13:00 - [13] Edited by: PwnzDeLeOwnz on 22/04/2008 14:14:09 1. Get everyone in rocket kessies with 4 rocket launchers in highs, 1x shield booster in med 1x scram OR web in med 1x ab in med (go half and half with the scram/web), and 2x BCU in lows. T1 MODS ONLY!! If not everyone can fly a kessy, get them in a high dps tier 3 frig with the appropriate damage mods. (T1 MODS ONLY) 2. Camp a gate in a known wartarget system 3. Rocket gankage (does wonders on Jita gates with haulers as well). Even if you lose them all and only kill one or two cruisers, you've still inflicted more damage on them then you've lost. Try to avoid BS/BC fleets if possible. Also, a competent FC may be useful.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:17:00 - [14] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 22/04/2008 14:22:34 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 22/04/2008 14:19:03	Red Wid0w Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:22:00 - [15] Originally by: El'Tar stupid fukin griefers this is like america declaring war on ethiopia for bein skinny ppl or something IMO. I know it's not ethiopia, but you should watch that Black Hawk Down film :p
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:23:00 - [16] THE BLOODLUST their corp write up says they are pirates. No they havent made any demand to call off the war. It looks like they are just using the wardec to get around the security level of the system so they can practice thier piracy in a a high sec system. As for calling them cowards, i wasn't stooping to name calling, i just couldn't think of any other word that fits a 6month vet who comes up, demands a price that a 2-3 day old cant possibly pay, then blasts the hell out of them for not paying. All in high security space where they are not supposed to be doing it, at least acording to CCP's write up of the game. i have no problem with people who want to be pirates. Parating can be an honorable proffesion, but when someone is nothing but a cheap thug out for kicks at the expence of new players who are still trying to get thier first new ship..... they degrade the name PIRATE. Looks like the only otion is to can the corp and loose the 3mil i put into it. I started it to try to help the new miners, but as it turns out its just made them bigger targets for these bullies. Kontika/Tanika. p.s. not sure what you mean 'faceless alt' this is my first char, yes I have another but this is my first, and i just discovered how to select which is shown when posting.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:24:00 - [17] Edited by: El''Tar on 22/04/2008 14:24:25 Originally by: Red Wid0w Originally by: El'Tar stupid fukin griefers this is like america declaring war on ethiopia for bein skinny ppl or something IMO. I know it's not ethiopia, but you should watch that Black Hawk Down film :p No thx, I have self respect, a soul, and faith in christ so i dont die. i not watch film ( prolly virus anyway IMO ) ________________________________________________ ME BEING JESUS ******* CHRIST IN MY BATTLEWAGON OF DOOM
Red Wid0w Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:36:00 - [18] Originally by: El'Tar Edited by: El''Tar on 22/04/2008 14:24:25 Originally by: Red Wid0w Originally by: El'Tar stupid fukin griefers this is like america declaring war on ethiopia for bein skinny ppl or something IMO. I know it's not ethiopia, but you should watch that Black Hawk Down film :p No thx, I have self respect, a soul, and faith in christ so i dont die. i not watch film ( prolly virus anyway IMO ) Ok well let me save you the trouble, the somalis pwn the **** out of the americans :P
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:42:00 - [19] You have no idea what you are talking about. This is inflammatory and very degrading to the honorable American soldiers who tried to help get rid of the Dictator and feed the Somalis under a UN resolution. You need to watch what you say.
Kontika	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Kontika on 22/04/2008 14:48:24 Um, I'm seing the topic here sliding out the window. This isn't about america or third world dictators..... its about bullies that think shooting up a noobies ibis is a way to show how tough they are. Thanks Navigator T

Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw THE BLOODLUST p.s. not sure what you mean 'faceless alt' this is my first char, yes I have another but this is my first, and i just discovered how to select which is shown when posting. In this case apology's.
mingeta dong BEER Inc. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:53:00 - [22] Originally by: gfldex First, stop whining and name calling. Nobody will give you any respect for both. And respect is the only thing you got right now (or better could have gotten). If you can't find out how to fight them, you should not be the leader of you folk. Find somebody else to do it or you will hit this very forum every time there is a problem. Learn how the game works. Learn what the search button can to for you (or use eve-search.com). What happens to you is there for years and EVE is growing all the time. It's fine, that's why it's not going to get changed and you have to learn how to deal with it. This TBQFH. @ the OP: Everyone loves a resourceful noob, no one likes a whiner. Learn and fight back, be resourceful, you will gain respect and maybe some friends...if one of those is a logistics pilot you can maybe enjoy watching your griefer enemies burn
Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw Looks like the only otion is to can the corp and lose the 3mil i put into it. I started it to try to help the new miners, but as it turns out its just made them bigger targets for these bullies. Give this thread a day or so to make the rounds, as there are probably more than a few Merc Corps (Noob Mercs - you guys wanna step up?) that would be more than happy to assist you pro bono. Don't give up too easily - there are more than enough "New" Corporations in EvE which have this happen to them. I don't want to see you guys have to disband such a small Corp just because some players see you as an easy target. (Aside - Maybe Joe Starbreaker wants to break into the Merc biz...) The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:18:00 - [24] (Aside - Maybe Joe Starbreaker wants to break into the Merc biz...) Isn't Joe busy wardeccing all those people in his thread?
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:21:00 - [25] If you want help in the form of information, tactics, options and whatnot, feel free to contact me ingame.
Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Kage Toshimado Isn't Joe busy wardeccing all those people in his thread? I'm sure there's always room for one more! The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:27:00 - [27] This sort of thing is a right of passage for just about every corp in eve. I went through this when I was barly a month old. So don't sweat it too much. Best advice I can give. Learn to fly disposable blackbirds. Once your attackers spend more time jamed than shooting they'll quitely let the war dec lapse. You might even kill a few while doing it and have some fun.
Fli Amarr Lonesome Carnival Brokerage	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:28:00 - [28] Um...your 'pirate' gang is just a few noobies as well..I say laugh them off and if you see them head into port..they'll get bored soon enough... Cheers!
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:34:00 - [29] well, i sent joe and evemail asking if he's interested... we shall wait and see. Failing that, i am planning on buying a small fleet of disposable kestrels and stocking the corp hanger with them for the noobs to fly, hopefully they wont feel to bad loosing them if they dont have to pay for them. T
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:51:00 - [30] Quote: some cowards Quote: what sort of cowards Quote: get these loosers off our backs It's been said that these guys are young 'pirates', so perhaps they just decided that it'd make the most sense for them to prey on a similarly young carebear corporation as they're getting the hang of things. But, from the three pieces of your OP that I've quoted, I think I have a VERY good idea of what happened here. Consider the following: You guys have recently discovered how much smoother things go when you mine into jet cans and haul it later, so you're doing so. One of your corpmates gets can flipped by someone within Bloodlust corporation, and proceeds to talk a bunch of smack, either on local or in a private convo. They tell the can flipper what a "looser" he is, and how he's a coward for 'picking on a helpless mining ship', and they ask him why he doesn't go to lowsec like a real man if he wants to PvP. This can flipper gets offended, OR just wants to make your corpmate cry more... next thing you know, you've got mail from CONCORD notifying you of a wardec. If you're helpless and you know it, don't talk smack. Ever. Anywhere. Not even on the forum (it's not unheard of for a wardec to come out of a hostile exchange on these boards). Further, consider this: You're 3 weeks into the game. That's long enough to get through the trial and find out how steep the learning curve is. Do you really think you need to be your own CEO already? This isn't a flame or a troll, Kontika, but you have no idea what you're getting into, especially as an industrial/mining corporation - even in highsec. You and your people would be better off joining an established corporation where you can learn to play the game. If you insist on learning things the hardest way possible, though, just do yourself a favor and take the "We're weak noobs" thing out of your corp's description... to show weakness is to invite destruction in this game - none of us care about you unless you provide some opportunity for profit. л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~

Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw Failing that, i am planning on buying a small fleet of disposable kestrels and stocking the corp hanger with them for the noobs to fly, hopefully they wont feel to bad loosing them if they dont have to pay for them. T Now we're getting somewhere. Have fun, and may the pewpew be with you.
Sniggerdly Hater The Abyssmal Spire	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:18:00 - [32] So cowards eh? I'm gonna look for someone to dec you for those words.
Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:20:00 - [33] Originally by: S****dly Hater So cowards eh? I'm gonna look for someone to dec you for those words. Go back to CAOD. Real pirates live here.
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Havohej If you're helpless and you know it, don't talk smack. Ever. Anywhere. Not even on the forum (it's not unheard of for a wardec to come out of a hostile exchange on these boards). So true, My first corp got dec'ed because I said hello and made it overly clear that I was new to the game in a regional chat. Was a good war, I only lost a shuttle.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Kontika Why do people have to stoop to ruining things for everyone else just coz they are bored? They need to collect carebear tears because this what space ship fuel is made out of.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:08:00 - [36] Flattered that I was mentioned on this thread, though I'm more interested in decking the OP than the pirates! Too bad they don't have enough members to make it interesting.
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Wrath.	Posted - 2008.04.22 18:19:00 - [37] Quote: If you're helpless and you know it, don't talk smack. Ever. Anywhere. Not even on the forum (it's not unheard of for a wardec to come out of a hostile exchange on these boards). This is one of the best rules of EVE that are not mentioned on any promotional FAQ on the EVE website, learn it well, Kontika. Considering these are noob pirates, I think your best option is to spend some of your corp's mining income on cheap t1 combat-fitted frigates to fly in as a gang for a few days, maybe all of you fly escort to 1 mining ship for a while and protect it while it mines some iskies for you. If war-targets actually show, pew pew and learn while your miner escapes. (unless primaried) More likely, these guys are just hoping for a quick ransom and have no intention of engaging you. Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Danyael Tyren Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:08:00 - [38] Originally by: Alowishus They need to collect carebear tears because this what space ship fuel is made out of. This.
Mozana x13	Posted - 2008.04.22 19:13:00 - [39] this is 2k8, keep an eye on local for the reds one and dock all you can do really with no skills :/
Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.22 20:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Alowishus They need to collect carebear tears because this what space ship fuel is made out of. Inspired by a now famous Tchell Dahhn quote. Ty, ty. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Verone You'll find that Eve is much different to the games you've played in the past. 99.9% of games will hold your hand, give you pointers, advice and help. They'll tell you that you're the hero and you're the one who's going to save the world. Then they'll guide you to your ultimate destiny as the saviour of the kingdom. Eve takes you by the scruff of the neck and drags you into it's world. It introduces you as the little guy, the speck of dust among a million others. Once it's busted your morale that way, it kicks you flat on your arse in the mud. As you try to get up, it kicks you right back down again, asking you why it should let you get back up and why you think you're better or more deserving of being back on your feet than anyone else. To survive, you need to give it an answer instead of complaining, or you'll end up flat on your arse in the mud again. Eve isn't about who can kill the most people, NPC's, mine the most roids, or research the most blueprints. It's about building stuff, not modules and ships. It's about getting to know people, building circles of business partners, trust and a reputation. Eve is a very social game, look for loyalty hard enough and you find it by the truckload. However, you need to remember that the game centers around bettering yourself, and personal gain, sometimes and more often at cost to others. Always remember that for every single person you find who is loyal to you, there's another ten out there ready to step on your face rather than look at you to get ahead in the rat race. Every aspect of Eve revolves around PvP. Whether it's getting the newest goods to the market first for the highest profit over competitors, or undercutting their prices to steal their corner of the market. Maybe it's working as a mercenary to kill other players for a price, or prowling around border regions looking for easy pickings on trade routes and unsecure mining spots. Corporations have gone to war in Eve over the smallest things, including industrial corps who hire mercenaries on eachother to disrupt operations if they feel someone is trying to curb their market profit. Really, If you're assuming that you're ever safe in Eve once you burn free of the docking ramps, it might be hard to accept, but you're wrong on even the most fundemental level. In Eve, there is no "safe". Only consequence. If you need help understanding this, or getting to grips with game mechanics, send me and Eve-Mail in game if you'd like help. thats what Verone has to say about it (in a similar topic a while back), and well i cant disagree with any of what he said. lots of nub complaints of Oh my I started a corp and now am at war OH NOES!!!! they may be cowards but they aren't the ones on the forums crying about it. Wah wah! i started a business and the other guys undercut me wont get you very far
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Alowishus They need to collect carebear tears because this what space ship fuel is made out of. Inspired by a now famous Tchell Dahhn quote. Ty, ty. Actually I've said this before, or similar in other threads. Unless you can link me to something pre-2008-January (just a guesstimation) I'm going to have to give myself full credit and all the honor that comes with it. All that aside, great minds think alike. Join The Muffin Factory
Niccolo Duku Caldari Sabotage Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:14:00 - [43] Just a few points, since you've pretty much gotten a feel for C&P's attitude towards this by now.... 1- Coming to a forum where 90% of the readers/posters are pirates or pvp'ers and asking for help in this sort of thing isn't exactly the ideal move. Odds are, most of us would have decced you sooner or later given the opportunity, given the profits looked right. 2- Regarding number 1- Asking for help here is one thing, but calling the people shooting at you cowards and such isn't the way to do it. Any pirate has gotten that same smack over and over. It only makes you look like another victim, not someone who we would actually help. 3- You stated the enemy was 6 months old. Your corp being new, it would be about right for them to dec you. I mean, you don't fly into your first mission in a BS, you don't mine your first roid in a hulk, you gotta work up. They decced a corp they could pound on. the odds and profits looked right, they'll take what they make (if anything), and upgrade to bigger and more profitable targets. A newer war corporation with relatively young members isn't gonna start their career chasing Veto around, for crying out loud.
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Niccolo Duku Just a few points, since you've pretty much gotten a feel for C&P's attitude towards this by now.... 1- Coming to a forum where 90% of the readers/posters are pirates or pvp'ers and asking for help in this sort of thing isn't exactly the ideal move. Odds are, most of us would have decced you sooner or later given the opportunity, given the profits looked right. 2- Regarding number 1- Asking for help here is one thing, but calling the people shooting at you cowards and such isn't the way to do it. Any pirate has gotten that same smack over and over. It only makes you look like another victim, not someone who we would actually help. 3- You stated the enemy was 6 months old. Your corp being new, it would be about right for them to dec you. I mean, you don't fly into your first mission in a BS, you don't mine your first roid in a hulk, you gotta work up. They decced a corp they could pound on. the odds and profits looked right, they'll take what they make (if anything), and upgrade to bigger and more profitable targets. A newer war corporation with relatively young members isn't gonna start their career chasing Veto around, for crying out loud. I didn't post it here, i posted in "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions" and for some reason it was moved here... i was asking for help and thought alliance discussion was the right place for it.... i have no idea why it's now in crime and punishment, it has nothing to do with that. Asking pirates to help with pirates would, as you said, have been stupid, thats why i didn't do that. I asked for help in the alliance discussion. K/T
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:05:00 - [45] Edited by: Tanika Tigerpaw on 23/04/2008 01:08:09 wow, done a little digging... Turns out he is a Carrier pilot lvl5.... he just destroyed our only hauler in a matter of seconds them pod killed me... all without making a single demand. THEN he demands 50mil, which we can't possibly have. I don't think it's seriously piracy, its just manipulating the system to get in some noob ganking. anyway, i guess you all think its fine, and thats what the game is about. guess i'm in the wrong game then.
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Tanika Tigerpaw on 23/04/2008 01:33:19 Edited by: Tanika Tigerpaw on 23/04/2008 01:32:29 ok, now hows this, after talking he said he hadn't realised we were a noob corp and only a week old etc, and he offered to return the mods he got from my wreck. When i got back there in my little unarmed ibis, he opens up and lauches his drones etc... then pod kills me again. and NO, i didn't really expect him to give the stuff back, and yes i was pretty sure he was just going to kill me again, but I had to give him the chance to be a decent person.... pity he didn't take it and just proved how dishonerable he really is. And he expects people to believe him when he says he will call off the war when they pay. He has already proved his word is worthless. But again, your all sitting there saysing 'har, har, har, stoopid noob... good scam dude....' I was reading up about pirating practices, and the main point was that a pirate is only as good as his word, so we now know just how good this one is. THE BLOODLUST = totally untrustworthy, dishonerable, and not worth a pinch of ****. and if you still don't think 'coward' fits, then I'm your great aunt millie
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw Edited by: Tanika Tigerpaw on 23/04/2008 01:08:09 wow, done a little digging... Turns out he is a Carrier pilot lvl5.... he just destroyed our only hauler in a matter of seconds them pod killed me... all without making a single demand. THEN he demands 50mil, which we can't possibly have. I don't think it's seriously piracy, its just manipulating the system to get in some noob ganking. anyway, i guess you all think its fine, and thats what the game is about. guess i'm in the wrong game then. If you're just a few highsec miners, provided that you've got at least mining cruisers (Scythe, Osprey, et cetera) that you mine with, it's actually not unreasonable to expect your corp to have 50M with which to pay a ransom for the wardec to be dropped. I guarantee you that the 50M he's demanding is a lot better than the fee a merc corp worth hiring would cost you. If he's got Carriers lvl 5 (I expect it's more like Drones lvl 5 and he was in a normal ship, not a carrier...), then you aren't being attacked by noobs (at least, not in the sense of time invested), just by someone who picked a target that doesn't know what it's doing and so doesn't have the type of ISK that would be reasonably expected of you. (Though, if he IS a carrier pilot and is camping you into some station in lowsec by himself, in his carrier, I bet there are tons of pirates who'd like to know where that's happening ) You probably don't know this, but a wardec costs AT LEAST 2.5M isk. If someone wants to just gank noobs, they can do that for free in lowsec, so I strongly doubt that he's "just manipulating the system to get in some noob ganking". But yes, we all pretty much think it's fine... this is part of EVE - if you don't want to be wardec'd, then stay in the NPC corp you started the game in. It's like I said in my previous post... you started a corporation without having the slightest idea what you were getting into. This isn't like World of Warcraft where every noob with 10 gold pieces can start a guild and recruit a bunch of noobs and everything is okay. I suggest you disband your corporation and you and your members find established corporations that you can join and learn the game. Spend some time on the New Player Q&A section of the forums. Watch the Help channel in-game; even if you don't ask any questions, you'll see hundreds of fellow noobs asking questions which get answered by experienced players... I watched the help channel my whole first month or so, continually learning things without ever typing a word... I didn't turn the help channel off until I found myself answering some of the most common questions and wasn't seeing anybody asking things that I didn't know the answer to... and I was STILL a noob then, with much to learn. Even now, I learn something at least once a week... But anyways, I'll stop rambling now. I am not pleased by the fact that you're getting the wrong idea about EVE due to the fact that you got in over your head too early and are getting no sympathy, but I am pleased to see that the field remains as volatile as ever. If you were expecting GMs or something to see your plight and ban the 'griefers' so you can play in peace, or for all of the pilots who have been in your shoes (or bloodlust's) to take pity on you and rush to your rescue for free, then yeah... wrong game. л┬╥▬─ ~ ~ ~
Onezen Red.	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:38:00 - [48] trust no one. looking for decency? Rare to find in this game, but it is out there. I understand your frustration, but regarding all that has happened to you,.... That is Eve. Learn to expect it and learn to deal with it. No, it's not fair. Eve is a harsh place. And it's even worse if one comes into it expecting "fair play" and decency. And I'm not saying this with any malice or evil attitude, it's just the way it is...
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:39:00 - [49] No we are in a 1.0 system, and he is sitting in a battle cruiser with a swarm of drones as well as his arsenal of weapons. He also has a carrier and carrier V skill he claims. No we dont have any cruisers for mining, as I said earlier, i have a destroyer which is the biggest thing we own other than my badger which has now been destroyed. the other gys are in ibis and bantom. Not a hope that we have the sort of money he is demanding. I don't expect a free ride, but i did expect a little realism. if your going to demand a payment you know they cant possibly have, and show you wont keep your word anyway, that just shows he isnt pirating, he is simply PKing. There is a big difference. I thought the Pirates out there might have taken offence at him giving them all a bad name.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:01:00 - [50] Reply to moderated post removed - Navigator FFS, you did an awesome job there CCP Navigator. Post made of 2 replies to other posts, plus the part about this thread being made of BS, since the OP is not in a player corp and the Bloodlust named corps are not in any war currently, and you have to cut it all out. Ok, so it was a post quoting the RL reference of another post, was it really that hard to cut off just the top part ?

Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw I thought the Pirates out there might have taken offence at him giving them all a bad name. I'll give you this - this specific pilot is no pirate. He is a small little man, in a big, powerful ship. If he was a pirate, you're right, he would be realistic in his ransoms, or would move along. Chances are, he will move on in short order. My recommendation to you is to lay low for a week. Add him to your addressbook, and when you log on, if he's on, leave yourself logged in and go do something else. Mow the lawn, do the dishes, watch a show. He'll get bored of waiting for you, and he'll find a better target. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw No we are in a 1.0 system, and he is sitting in a battle cruiser with a swarm of drones as well as his arsenal of weapons. He also has a carrier and carrier V skill he claims. No we dont have any cruisers for mining, as I said earlier, i have a destroyer which is the biggest thing we own other than my badger which has now been destroyed. the other gys are in ibis and bantom. Not a hope that we have the sort of money he is demanding. I don't expect a free ride, but i did expect a little realism. if your going to demand a payment you know they cant possibly have, and show you wont keep your word anyway, that just shows he isnt pirating, he is simply PKing. There is a big difference. I thought the Pirates out there might have taken offence at him giving them all a bad name. The carrier bit is useless, you are in hi-sec, where they can't go. There are some hi-sec carriers, built there, but they are moved to low-sec as soon as they engage in combat. PK-ing isn't a term used much in EVE, but in this case, unless you made him attack you with smack and other kinds of behaviours, then he is griefing you. Unfortunately he is within the rules. There isn't a code of pirates, some ppl do pirate and respect their word because they rely on ransoms of either ships or corps or pos's, and other ppl just want to get killmails or plainly grief ppl. I suggest you drop the name calling, and ask for help from some older pvp-ers, consindering your age, they will believe you when you say that you have no isk and no real hope of winning this war or making it go away. The alternativ is to dock up for a while, or exit the corp.
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:22:00 - [53] how is it that he can find me anywhere anytime, he was sitting in an ambush 6 systems from my normal turf, and was sitting exactly where i had been mining a few minutes earlier. He claims to be able to find me where ever I go. Is this actually possible in this game? that a greifer can follow you anywhere and there is no way to get away from him? T
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:47:00 - [54] Edited by: Havohej on 23/04/2008 02:48:22 Certain types of NPC agents (for Republic Fleet, for example, it's the Surveillance division) are Locator Agents. A lvl 3 or lvl 4 Agent with Locator services is able to provide the location of any player in EVE within a few minutes for a small ISK fee (less than 1M ISK). He logs on, visits his locator agent, pays the fee, waits a few minutes and then his EVE-Mail flashes with a message from the agent saying "so and so is at System X". If you're docked, it says what station. If you're not docked, then all he has to do is get to the system, open his D-Scanner and narrow you down. EDIT: link to a guide on the directional scanner, to give you a better idea what I'm talking about: Linkage
Forum Alt	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Forum Alt on 23/04/2008 04:43:57 Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw THE BLOODLUST their corp write up says they are pirates. No they havent made any demand to call off the war. It looks like they are just using the wardec to get around the security level of the system so they can practice thier piracy in a a high sec system. As for calling them cowards, i wasn't stooping to name calling, i just couldn't think of any other word that fits a 6month vet who comes up, demands a price that a 2-3 day old cant possibly pay, then blasts the hell out of them for not paying. All in high security space where they are not supposed to be doing it, at least acording to CCP's write up of the game. i have no problem with people who want to be pirates. Parating can be an honorable proffesion, but when someone is nothing but a cheap thug out for kicks at the expence of new players who are still trying to get thier first new ship..... they degrade the name PIRATE. Looks like the only otion is to can the corp and loose the 3mil i put into it. I started it to try to help the new miners, but as it turns out its just made them bigger targets for these bullies. Kontika/Tanika. p.s. not sure what you mean 'faceless alt' this is my first char, yes I have another but this is my first, and i just discovered how to select which is shown when posting. Eve-Mail sent to this char. I think I can help you with your problem.
Lungorthin Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:37:00 - [56] This is actually very easily dealt with and requires very little effort from your part. Just move to a different region for the time of the war declaration being valid. They will get bored after a while and drop the war declaration. This costs you nothing. ** What new players often don't realize is that most empire war declarations can just be ignored. ** You could also use the following safety practice: keep LOCAL window open at all times, and while you are undocked check it continually for any red marked players (Entities you at war with will be marked with a red symbol). If you see any red dot in local then either dock up or change system.
The Jackhammer Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Kontika ::snip::Any suggestions other than (run and hide) would be welcome also. ::snip:: Put me in your buddy list and hollar at me when you see me in-game ... Thank-You, The Jackhammer Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Lego Maniac Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.23 06:47:00 - [58] someone with carriers trained to V is not going to bother with tiny hi-sec miner noob corps; and supposedly that he DOES have a carrier... know what 6-month olds can do with carriers? nothing a 6 month old character sitting in a carrier is universally laughable so basically, your aggressor is just trying to use intimidation tactics on you - and only you can decide whether it works or not Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw Failing that, i am planning on buying a small fleet of disposable kestrels and stocking the corp hanger with them for the noobs to fly, hopefully they wont feel to bad loosing them if they dont have to pay for them. T no no! get griffins instead (they cost about the same) 3 kestrels in the hands of noobs will not have the power to take down a BC even with 4 launchers apiece before he shreds you - however, griffins have a powerful bonus to ECM jammers (fit racial jammers specific to his battlecruiser) train up electronic warfare (as caldari, achura miners, this should be relatively painless considering the high intel/mem you begin with) and take your little griffin gang for some action; fit rocket launchers (rockets, no missiles) and jam his ship first, after which you should set your launchers on the drones that are probably chasing you down - once those are gone, pew pew away! note that even though the above plan gives you some pretty decent chances, it is not gauranteed to work; he can call in friends, and there is also a chance that even when jammed, he can just shrug off the damage (depends on his fitting and what BC he is sitting in) however, what it most certainly WILL do is prove your willingness to stand up and fight, and make yourselves seem much less vulnerable as targets
Zrey Droghtan 5 Pointed Star	Posted - 2008.04.23 07:41:00 - [59] Contact me in game. I can help to some extent. Zrey
Arwen Ariniel Gallente Shaolin Legacy	Posted - 2008.04.23 08:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw ...6month vet... That ain't a vet, that's a noob. They are just using you to get practice, since they can't take on any real targets yet. Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw All in high security space where they are not supposed to be doing it, at least acording to CCP's write up of the game. Sorry to burst your bubble, but empire piracy using wardecs is completely normal and I'm quite sure there's no write up on CCP's behalf, claiming they're not supposed to do that. Originally by: Tanika Tigerpaw I started it to try to help the new miners, but as it turns out its just made them bigger targets for these bullies. No, you didn't start a corp to help out new miners, you started a corp because you wanted a corp of your own. Plenty of corps around that help out new players, and I'm pretty sure they all have more to offer then you. Also, creating your own corp is nothing for new players. Like you found out the hard way, you can't take care of yourself yet. Anyways, if you're a Gallente Corporation, send me an EveMail, and we might be able to work something out to get the local maffia of your back ;)

Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.23 08:07:00 - [61] Contact Noob Mercs. If its a good cause, and some prospect of fun and pew is involved, i bet theyre easily swayed to your cause. Isk helps, but theyre noobs so they usually forget to ask for payment.
Julius Scipio Amarr Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 08:25:00 - [62] Edited by: Julius Scipio on 23/04/2008 08:26:32 I feel bad for you guys. Unfortunatly there are a lot of people who want to play the game this way. I agree with the poster from Triumvirate, buy some T1 frigates and blob him. It works. (Unless he's in a stabbed cloaked raven that can do 10k of course ). I would also think about joining an anti-pirate alliance. Not everyone believes this is acceptable behaviour and you can join the fight back. Keep a copy of his name and corp so that in a few months time you can exact some revenge. There's no better feeling in EvE than podding a griefer. The views in this post are not those of my corporation or alliance and are entirely my own, if you do think they reflect them you would be mistaken, this is an entirely personal view.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.23 10:42:00 - [63] Basically considering how new you are in the game, my advice is to set long skill trains. Log in and sit in station. Then go to the store or something. This annoys most of these griefer corps. Do it for like a couple weeks and they'll probably move on.
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Julius Scipio There's no better feeling in EvE than podding a griefer. I disagree, hours and hours of endless Veld mining brings me to climax.
Ghost Nightmare Yarrtards With Epeen	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:54:00 - [65] im quite bored atm, ill happily join your corp to finish them off (fly an ishtar, megathron)
Stein Voorhees Caldari Ghost in the Machine Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:44:00 - [66] Learn to fight back and make them look silly. Check out Agony Unleashed and go on one of their PVP-BASIC courses. That will teach you how to get your corp mates into cheap frigs and be able to fight back.
Nubbin King Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.04.23 16:49:00 - [67] Edited by: Nubbin King on 23/04/2008 16:51:48 Originally by: Rutefly Contact Noob Mercs. If its a good cause, and some prospect of fun and pew is involved, i bet theyre easily swayed to your cause. Isk helps, but theyre noobs so they usually forget to ask for payment. We probably would help except that we're in 4 wars at the moment, and up to our eyeballs in all we can handle and then some. Plus the sort that attacks a corp like this fellow's would dock up the second more than 2 of our guys hit his system. These guys aren't looking to fight, they're looking to gank... or they're looking for tears, and probably getting both. ----- I am The Nubbin King, should I defeat you: BOW DOWN!
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Wrath.	Posted - 2008.04.23 18:10:00 - [68] Kontika, seriously stop the whining and take some of the advice you have been given. If you can't learn from your mistakes, suck it up and move on, YES you are clearly playing the wrong game. You are obviously not up to running a newbie corporation yet, disband it and get under the protection of the NPC corps. That's the only way you are going to feel most of the 'security' you seem to feel you are due in hi-sec space. If your group wants to stick together, that's what private chat channels and gangs are for. No reason you can't hang out together until you get enough experience to survive a situation like this, because every new corp (including mine originally) goes through this. You can join an alliance for mutual advantage(as we did when repeatedly wardecced) fight back, pay up, or disband. Those are your options. Choose what is best for you (based on your posts, disband) and move on. Whining gets you very little on these forums. Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Ghost Nightmare Uitra Gang Miners Inc	Posted - 2008.04.23 19:05:00 - [69] Edited by: Ghost Nightmare on 23/04/2008 19:06:17 well that was some fail, turns out im friendly with the mains of their enemies, oh well wars over lol edit: when he said carrier, he meant carrier on his main : /
Krij	Posted - 2008.04.23 19:53:00 - [70] Edited by: Krij on 23/04/2008 19:54:21 If you are in a corp and don't want to fight when wardecced, I urge to form a new corp and leave your current corp whilst keeping one member in your old corp. The when the wardec passes, move back to your original corp. This way you will avoid wars indefinitely and what's more CCP allows it. Soon empire wars and mercs will be a thing of the past. Just keep doing this if you are a newish corp and don't want the hassle of a war. It is not an exploit it is allowed!

boshion	Posted - 2008.04.23 20:03:00 - [71] ok i was just trying to train up learn how to fight better i was hoping they was going to fight back with t1 frigs...but they didnt :( also this is not my lvl5 carrier pilot (not going to post the name on the forum) also i thought the leader was a alt or something with there corp discrition so maybe they would know how to fight back one last thing the ship is a harbinger so not that hard to kill
Javmango	Posted - 2008.04.23 20:43:00 - [72] Hehehehe bosh is quiet right he is pretty much solo fighting this war, he hasn't really had to pvp on his own before and he's kinda been a tag along in other wars. He's a noob himself, i had to tell him how to find them using a locator agent, he was just sitting at some random gate hoping that by some chance they would come through
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:05:00 - [73] While it is unfortunate that you and your corporation got declared war on, your best bet is to use this incident as an advantage and fight back - and learning as much about PvP as you can from it. Fighting back and gaining valuable experience, even if you get horribly beat upon, is a key to future success. Good hunting. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:14:00 - [74] I'm pretty sure you have a bunch of caldari pilots so fly jamming BB's. Follow the BBs with a crapload of frigs and sensor damps. Most of these guys war decing you will call you a e-war nub and just leave. If there flying cloakers get them to aggress you thru some sort of buffer hauler tank and do the above. After awhile you guys aren't just miners and mission runners.
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 23:58:00 - [75] You do realize thats a 2 man corp...right?
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.24 00:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Corstaad on 24/04/2008 00:13:59
dentonan Caldari Entaty Knights Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 00:19:00 - [77] Originally by: cyberdog It's unfortunate that it's happened to you but when you undock in this game you agree to PVP, simple as that. I don't know of many war-dec corps that will just declare for no reason, so you may have to talk to your members and see if they have spoken to people in bad ways (Smack talk is the biggest reason for a war dec). actually i know quite a few corps tht do tht, i was in 1, sum of the members are in ur corp. we just picked a corp from random in local for a war dec was all fun and games. we called ot showing the light. back 2 the op. a swarm of cheap fitted frigs is fun, pay ransome if they ransome u. make it hard for them 2 kill u by running there is loads of things u cud do.
dentonan Caldari Entaty Knights Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 00:22:00 - [78] lol bosh didnt know it was ur corp, kl. to the op fight back will be fun.
wenxiu Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.24 06:57:00 - [79] Edited by: wenxiu on 24/04/2008 07:01:45 There's another possible reason why mining corps get decced and that is because they were found macro mining. If that is the case, it won't just be pirate corps that will wardec you. For the benefit of everyone in this thread, are you able to categorically declare publicly that nothing of this sort has been going on in your corp? Thanks!
PsychoMessiah	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:19:00 - [80] Hey ;-) As a member of The Bloodlust (A 2 man corp), I can tell you that we have our reasons for War-Deccing your corp in particular. I won't go into those reasons, but frankly - why should I? What I would do in your shoes is: Recruit some PvPers to cover your miners during mining OPs. Simple solution really - as there are only 2 of us, using Harbingers.

Saerdna16ID Gallente 16th Interspacial Dynasty The 11th Hour	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:34:00 - [81] There is no solution to it if you want to make your own corp and be new. There are small corps out there who are looking for corps like you and WAR DEC. Why? usually want to PVP with other players who usually are new to game which usually will give them easy kills. My corp is 6 month old and has more or less like 9 to 10 war decs in 6 months. We did gain a lot of PVP exps. Before a week we had 2 war decs for people as the ones you mention. BTW they do not need a reason to war dec you, they will just give you a ****ty reason which does not stand and war dec you. You have either to live with it or try to move around a lot. Saying that moving minning ships its hard. And this is not always fully proof. BTW if you do mine in a high sec area where big mining corps operate they might have even payed to war dec you just to drive you off the area. We had that too. So there is no easy answer and solution. Either learn to fight them and make them pay or you run around. The only safe way is disband corp get into a NPC corp and once you are stronger make your own again. Choose a very distance not very populate area to put your headcourters and make sure you operate in remote areas. When you fill you strong enouph move into the most populate areas and expect to get War DEC.
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:19:00 - [82] Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 24/04/2008 10:19:24 Originally by: dentonan Originally by: cyberdog It's unfortunate that it's happened to you but when you undock in this game you agree to PVP, simple as that. I don't know of many war-dec corps that will just declare for no reason, so you may have to talk to your members and see if they have spoken to people in bad ways (Smack talk is the biggest reason for a war dec). actually i know quite a few corps tht do tht, i was in 1, sum of the members are in ur corp. we just picked a corp from random in local for a war dec was all fun and games. we called ot showing the light. back 2 the op. a swarm of cheap fitted frigs is fun, pay ransome if they ransome u. make it hard for them 2 kill u by running there is loads of things u cud do. 9omH dent....9omH to yarrrrr... But yea to the people in being attacked, bosh is a noob tbh, he cant even use a dreadnaught. To Spawny, a great guy, a great laugh. Rest in peace buddy.
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:36:00 - [83] Originally by: gfldex First, stop whining and name calling. Nobody will give you any respect for both. And respect is the only thing you got right now (or better could have gotten). If you can't find out how to fight them, you should not be the leader of you folk. Find somebody else to do it or you will hit this very forum every time there is a problem. Learn how the game works. Learn what the search button can to for you (or use eve-search.com). I'd rather have respect of noone and let everyone hate me. For you should say what you feel and be who you are, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. enuf said
Krij	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:00:00 - [84] Usually people who quote others have very little to say themselves...
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:13:00 - [85] Originally by: Krij Usually people who quote others have very little to say themselves... This. We're Recruiting!
Tanika Tigerpaw	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Kontika Hi all, I have been playing EVE for just over 3 weeks now, and have just started a corp to try to help out noobie miners make a little extra cash to get them started. We clearly state this in the corp description. On our second day of being a corp, with 3 new members all under a week old, some cowards have decided to declare war on my corp. I have to ask, what sort of cowards declare war on 2-3 day old unarmed miners? How is this in the best interestes of the game to scare away newbies like this? Is there nothing that can be done to prevent this? I know I cant fight them, at least one of the members is over 6 months old and will far outskill/outgun my and noobs. Why do people have to stoop to ruining things for everyone else just coz they are bored? Seriously! If anyone could help get these loosers off our backs it would be appreciated big time. Any suggestions other than (run and hide) would be welcome also. Their name is BLOODLUST Thanks Kontika I would like to thank all the CONSTRUCTIVE people who have offered suggestions, and assistance, both in-game and out here. I believe the situation is now under control. There has been an overwhelming amount of support offered to me here, which far outweighed the negative remarks that were made. There have been far more responses in-game than there have been here and ALL of those have be supportive rather than derisive. Clearly what has been done is 'technically' within the rules, and is acceptable to a few individuals, but is unacceptable to the vast majority. To anyone else out there in a similar situation, speak out and you will receive help as I have, along with a few put down which aren't worth the paper they are not written on. I thank you all, and think it is time for this topic to end as it has served its purpose in getting us some assistance. Regards, Tanika

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