Since you see no reason to participate in the CSM vote, your opinion concerning it is irrelevant.

I still fully support the option to -vote people, clearly they have 5000 mindless zombies behind them voting for them
if there's no one running for the CSM i feel is qualified to be on the CSM i should still have the option of keeping the dumbest off the CSM.


( you want to see what having a dumb CSM means. a Nurf to JB networks to make null travel harder but no one thinking to look at titan bridging as a problem as well.)


THAT'S what happens when you let unqualified people in the CSM.

CSM provides feed back and some "ideas" of how to improve EVE as an whole.

CCP DEVs actually doing all the work.

Just thought that i would point it out there. Since someone is still confusing DEVs with CSMs.

disclaimer : this is in no way meant as an "insult" to CCP DEVs or CSMs.

EVE Players direct CSM.
CSM communicates with CCP.
CCP does what they think is best.

You were missing that first step.

So I could come on and babble about the value of the CSM and why its important to vote then end with a "vote for me" thing but I won't. I think the CSM is important and should be supported, but that is how I see it. The general apathy towards the CSM might well indicate more in Eve aren't supportive than are.

So I do think there should be some way for a player to actively say "CCP I don't want a CSM" or even possibly a "I could put up with a CSM but not this person". Those both valid positions.

So while I can't say I know what the best way would be to provide that ant-CSM sentiment to CCP I understand why some pilots in Eve would like the option.

Issler

Term limits would be a good start to making the CSM relevant again.

Gotta hitch up my sleeves and edumicate myself on the candidates now.

An unvote option is ridiculous.

Why should your vote be able to erase my opinion and resulting vote?

An active "None of the Above" option would be far more suitable. It would show the amount of people willing to vote but who don't see any representative which could be their voice a lot more.

Why do you think your opinions better then mine?

An "unvote" option is much more effective than a vote. If there are 10 candidates and I "unvote" him, then I have had the same effect as 9 other people each voting once for all the others.

In short, they're not equivalent, nor is an unvote fair, any more than me asking that instead of a pay rise, I can have the same amount subtracted from a colleague's wage would be fair. Choose to vote for whom you please. Choose to vote for no one if it pleases you better. But leave my vote alone, please.

An "unvote" option is much more effective than a vote. If there are 10 candidates and I "unvote" him, then I have had the same effect as 9 other people each voting once for all the others.

In short, they're not equivalent, nor is an unvote fair, any more than me asking that instead of a pay rise, I can have the same amount subtracted from a colleague's wage would be fair. Choose to vote for whom you please. Choose to vote for no one if it pleases you better. But leave my vote alone, please.

Why do you think your opinions better then mine?

Term limits would be a good start to making the CSM relevant again.

Gotta hitch up my sleeves and edumicate myself on the candidates now.

Clearly your 1 vote is unfair as it puts the 1 guy your voting for above the 9 others.


who would of ever thought that 1 - 1 = +9

So you'd keep people like Trebor and Meissa off the CSM because "oh no mittens ganked my hulk" or whatever

Who?

I'd keep the Good Lord Jesus off of the CSM if he had served one term. I give no f*cks about ganks, hulks, Super Cap nerfs, buffs, or anything in between. As for Mittani, I care less about Hibears, Lobears, or Nulbears. As far as I am concerned, the only difference between them is that Hibears at least keep their noses in their own trashcan while everyone else covets theirs AND begs CCP to give them what the Hibears have too.

For that reason and more, the CSM needs two things to make it about the playerbase as a whole:

1 - 3 CSMs for each region, Hi, Lo, and Nul. No Chair at all, all are equal and all concern themselves ONLY with their regions.
2 - Term Limits so that no one group of players can push their thought process on the game as a whole, and give others a chance to serve the playerbase as well.

Until that point, the CSM has become nothing more than a Stalin-eqsue regime that is too self-serving to actually make the game better as a whole. Until that point, we might as well be playing Second Life, cause that's the system we have in First Life.

Until that point, the CSM has become nothing more than a Stalin-eqsue regime .

1 - 3 CSMs for each region, Hi, Lo, and Nul. No Chair at all, all are equal and all concern themselves ONLY with their regions.
2 - Term Limits so that no one group of players can push their thought process on the game as a whole, and give others a chance to serve the playerbase as well.

Who?

I'd keep the Good Lord Jesus off of the CSM if he had served one term. I give no f*cks about ganks, hulks, Super Cap nerfs, buffs, or anything in between. As for Mittani, I care less about Hibears, Lobears, or Nulbears. As far as I am concerned, the only difference between them is that Hibears at least keep their noses in their own trashcan while everyone else covets theirs AND begs CCP to give them what the Hibears have too.

For that reason and more, the CSM needs two things to make it about the playerbase as a whole:

1 - 3 CSMs for each region, Hi, Lo, and Nul. No Chair at all, all are equal and all concern themselves ONLY with their regions.
2 - Term Limits so that no one group of players can push their thought process on the game as a whole, and give others a chance to serve the playerbase as well.

Until that point, the CSM has become nothing more than a Stalin-eqsue regime that is too self-serving to actually make the game better as a whole. Until that point, we might as well be playing Second Life, cause that's the system we have in First Life.