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Gunny1 Amarr Peregrin Avionics Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:08:00 - [31] I agree isk buyers are bad for the game, and what happens to them is fine and dandy...but what I dont understand in this is that ccp Quote: offered to bring him back but reminded me he would be brought back with the debt he had. Which at that point was alittle over 700mill. I agreed and asked that he be reinstated that tells me in the time frame helmet orignally told ccp he fubared and the time they responded back, they re-searched it and said .. you owe us 700m isk, than he makes it back to the positive and they again take isk again with no responce... he paid the amount that ccp said, he should be clear and free...not harassed over and over for something that ccp said is clear if you make up the monies your in depbt for...
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Kainan Nishon The thing with this is Helmet is actually a very nice guy that made a bad mistake back in the day. He has repaid wat he thought was his debt and restored his character KNOWING this debt would be there, and would have to pay it off. He did, and now hes back in debt. In all honesty at least in america you cant be charged for the same crime twice. But its up to ccp considering it is their game. I dont condone buying isk and never will. The point is hes already paid for his crime. All he asks for is a second chance. From what I know, even in America you get a trial for every crime you do. Being convicted for theft don clear you of all the previsions not jet processed charges of theft against different targets.
Shaun Klaroh Caldari Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:09:00 - [33] I didn't gather that CCP said 700million, more over Helmet doing his own auditing. ----- Quote: "Are these people prisoners?" Arkhan asked. "Not at all," Melak replied. "They're free to run and get shot any time they like."
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:11:00 - [34] Oh dear lord my eyes are bleeding --------------------- Nox Eternus is Recruiting, contact me or Sgt Shazz ingame for info.
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:53:00 - [35] Hmmm... So basicly you had been caught and then decided to come clean and turn yourself in, decided to pay up your debt by selling GTC for isk. If and only if between you going clean and trading GTC for isk you didn't buy anymore isk then it doesn't make much sense from a GM point of view to punish you again (as long as you used the secure GTC trade method). My advice would be to escalate it/reapproach the GM you were dealing with and ask them to do a full and complete investigation punish you once and for all and then leave it up to yourself to either pay up the debt with GTC's for isk trades or buy your self a new character with GTC's.
Trathen	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:56:00 - [36] Just escalate it; there is no reason to bring it to the official forums though let me borrow your helmet for the next wall of text I stumble into.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:05:00 - [37] Removal of ISK is not the punishment. It's merely the cionfiscating of illegally aquired goods. He actually got no punishment whatsoever for buying ISK, which would have been a temporary or permanent ban. This 'wahwahwah gotpunishedtwice wahwahwah! is baseless rabble. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:12:00 - [38] You're lucky. They blatantly tell everyone doing RMT in the fashion you are doing it, will be banned. Obviously they didn't ban you after many offenses. You should have been banned. Figure out how much ISK you bought and buy that amount in time codes. The GM's can go back and see how much ISK you bought, figure out how much they taken from you, and if you still have bought ISK left, they can go and take it. Your quite lucky your not banned. You are getting just what you deserve, if your going to buy ISK, support CCP and use time codes, don't support the scum of our universe (the farmers). Hate Farmers? Click Here
RaTTuS BIG Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:13:00 - [39] /me likes posting history of the OP -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
hellraiser reborn	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:37:00 - [40] Die isk buyer die. You give the honest hard working eve pilots a bad name. Ive been playing for 2 years and work hard for my isk. So, tell your story to someone who has a heart for these things.
Dakath	Posted - 2008.04.23 03:18:00 - [41] I'm just guessing but I think that the GM's who worked with you are not the same ones who zapped your wallet later. A case of the left hand not knowing what the right was doing. You should petition, reminding them that you had already made an arrangement to pay for your past bad behavior. Now go and sin no more. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) He's Back! Bunny FTW!
Maglorre	Posted - 2008.04.23 03:53:00 - [42] Originally by: RaTTuS /me likes posting history of the OP HAHA ! Good call.... SOLD, to the highest bidder!
1717 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:06:00 - [43] I'm about to start some homework Helmet, and you know I just wanted to thank you for putting me in a good mood after work. Seeing CCP screw over an isk buyer is just what I needed. Sitting here listening to some jazz, reading about a cheater getting owned... Ah, the good life. eve-online.com
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:02:00 - [44] Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 23/04/2008 05:03:58 This kinda sucks, expecially since you confessed and was into negotiations with them about how to handle the situation. They should at least have warned you, that paying 700 mil won't be enough, this way it smells fishy. On the other hand, if they haven't found that 2nd payment by then, you can't ask for immunity for all the other crimes, just because you confessed one. Should have confessed them all. So if you get 1.2 bil, they might put it in to negative again becaus of a 3rd payment ? You must have bought lots of isk :D
Vapidity	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:04:00 - [45] Isk buying is bad, mmkay.... They should just ban you now and get it over with. However, if CCP reinstated your character with the debt it had and what your saying is true that they said in a sense that they would leave you be since you learned your lesson - then CCP played dirty pool. But somehow I don't believe you. I think your just a cheat that got caught and now your here to whine about it. Hint: stay off the gold farm websites and ebay? It might further your eve career?
Dago755	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:31:00 - [46] ccp obviously didnt want to ban him. I guess they dont want to make people quit the game. To me thats what makes it fishy. its like, damn this cheater deleted. Lets reinstate him so he keeps his subscription with a small dept that he will accept and pay off with GMT. Then we can always take his cash again when he payed off this one. Also who knows if when you pay off this new dept they wont put you on negative again. I assume you dont know how much you owe them. I dont see this as diffrent crimes its one crime and the punishment/repayment should have been calculated and given in one go. Ofcourse i think you should pay back everything you have bought maybe more. But they should demand the complete sum back at once. I will assume the story is correct and you havent been buying more isk and so on since it would be a pointless discussion otherwise.
Scout McAlt	Posted - 2008.04.23 07:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Dago755 ccp obviously didnt want to ban him. I guess they dont want to make people quit the game. To me thats what makes it fishy. its like, damn this cheater deleted. Lets reinstate him so he keeps his subscription with a small dept that he will accept and pay off with GMT. Then we can always take his cash again when he payed off this one. Also who knows if when you pay off this new dept they wont put you on negative again. I assume you dont know how much you owe them. I dont see this as diffrent crimes its one crime and the punishment/repayment should have been calculated and given in one go. Ofcourse i think you should pay back everything you have bought maybe more. But they should demand the complete sum back at once. I will assume the story is correct and you havent been buying more isk and so on since it would be a pointless discussion otherwise. He had a 16mil sp char, ccp gave the guy fair treatment. Not many people would be happy with a instant banning on a 2005 char. Remember the OP is NOT A VICTIM. He bought stuff with that isk. He used it like a overdraft. Because he used sweatshop isk farmers to pay for his habit insted of GTC's, he has to go back to the sweatshop farmers to ask for his RL money back. Its not CCP's fault, its his own. He does not need to sell GTC's since he has billions of isk worth of stuff he can trade back via conventional trades.
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.04.23 08:55:00 - [48] the OP is getting what he deserves... hes to reason we have stupid macro miners and mission farmer sweatshops in eve.

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