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FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 20:58:00 - [1] Not sure if this has been talked about yet or not but i would like to bring it up. I was running a mission today and had to end it. When some jack probed me down and warped in he's Caldri navy raven in on the rats i was trying to kill in my lvl4 mission. The only thing i could do to stop him from taken isk from my mission rats was to end the mission as fast, as i could. Did it hurt him that i had to end my mission no, but it did hurt my standing with my agent.. I would just like to see ccp put a key or something that you would give to your party members from the agent. locking unwelcome guest out of mission that i had to work for to get just a thought. [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Wrath.	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:02:00 - [2] Welcome to EVE. Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:05:00 - [3] Quote: The only thing i could do to stop him from taken isk from my mission rats was to end the mission as fast, as i could. Did it hurt him that i had to end my mission no, but it did hurt my standing with my agent.. So you were pretty much an idiot for ending the mission weren't you? If he's attacking the rats he's helping you complete the mission faster. So you turn it in and go get a ne wmission and he has to scan you down all over again.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:06:00 - [4] As someone once said, Eve is best likened to walking into an unfamiliar, blacked-out room and being suddenly kicked in the crotch by a man who feels neither joy nor sorrow from doing so.
FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:06:00 - [5] funny its not help if it isnt asked for [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:15:00 - [6] Originally by: FBIJustice funny its not help if it isnt asked for Did you ask him to leave first? Sounds like the pride you got for denying him some kills wasn't worth the standings loss. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:16:00 - [7] Why on earth would you want to cancel the mission? You'd only do that if you didn't think it through.... Mission rats are not a limited resource (if they were it would be another matter). If someone shoots the ones in your current mission: 1. You get more LP/reward per time in mission. 2. You go on to the next mission faster. And no, no key, no instancing, etc. EVE is a multiplayer game. Not a single-player game with chat functionality.....
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Dirk Magnum As someone once said, Eve is best likened to walking into an unfamiliar, blacked-out room and being suddenly kicked in the crotch by a man who feels neither joy nor sorrow from doing so. I have to suspect many such men here feel joy more than not, though.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 22/04/2008 21:20:04 It's tragic when someone from a recognizable alliance complains about something as lame as unwanted people in the mission site
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:25:00 - [10] An Axiom guy asking for mission instancing... That is almost as funny as some fool in a CNR probing out other runners rather than getting his own missions...
Kneebone	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:44:00 - [11] Be thankful it was Highsec and he didn't warp in to kill you. I would think the only case for arguing you could possibly have here is if the guy warped in and locked/killed a mission specific item required to finish the mission. Something like an ejected cargo cannister or if he blew up a wreck that had the needed item in it. If he was just after the cash and loot from killing the rats, well, it is what it is.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Dirk Magnum As someone once said, Eve is best likened to walking into an unfamiliar, blacked-out room and being suddenly kicked in the crotch by a man who feels neither joy nor sorrow from doing so. oh my god! that is the best thing I've ever heard () () (â;..;)â (")(")
wizardz Caldari VS Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Dirk Magnum As someone once said, Eve is best likened to walking into an unfamiliar, blacked-out room and being suddenly kicked in the crotch by a man who feels neither joy nor sorrow from doing so. oh my god! that is the best thing I've ever heard amen
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Leandro Salazar An Axiom guy asking for mission instancing... That is almost as funny as some fool in a CNR probing out other runners rather than getting his own missions... I see what you did there. But let's look at it this way: Option 1) Spend a lot of ISK on probes to probe down a guy so you can kill his mission rats. Option 2) Go to agent, get mission, kill rats, get mission payout and bonus, don't waste any money/time on probes. Which would you do? Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Morfane The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:23:00 - [15] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Leandro Salazar An Axiom guy asking for mission instancing... That is almost as funny as some fool in a CNR probing out other runners rather than getting his own missions... I see what you did there. But let's look at it this way: Option 1) Spend a lot of ISK on probes to probe down a guy so you can kill his mission rats. Option 2) Go to agent, get mission, kill rats, get mission payout and bonus, don't waste any money/time on probes. Which would you do? My CNR probably doesnt have the standing to get lvl 4 missions. He most likely decided to spend a couple hundred k (I know, breaking the bank here) to get some rats to get his sec standing up. Instancing is stupid, keys (although they exist for some missions or levels of missions) are stupid, ending missions because someone else is doing them, thats also stupid.
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:44:00 - [16] Originally by: FBIJustice locking unwelcome guest out of mission that i had to work for to get just a thought. arguably he worked a lot harder for that mission than you did. Nostalgia \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Kerfira Why on earth would you want to cancel the mission? You'd only do that if you didn't think it through.... Mission rats are not a limited resource (if they were it would be another matter). If someone shoots the ones in your current mission: 1. You get more LP/reward per time in mission. 2. You go on to the next mission faster. And no, no key, no instancing, etc. EVE is a multiplayer game. Not a single-player game with chat functionality..... The guy was stealing my isk...i didn't care about the loyalty points gained. i wanted the isk from the rats along with the loot. that would have probably come to another 12mil isk. i have no problem with eve being a multiplayer game, i pvp and gang ops. However, agent missions are a solo affair, so, putting a key in, to verify that it is your mission isn't a bad idea. [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Kneebone Be thankful it was Highsec and he didn't warp in to kill you. I would think the only case for arguing you could possibly have here is if the guy warped in and locked/killed a mission specific item required to finish the mission. Something like an ejected cargo cannister or if he blew up a wreck that had the needed item in it. If he was just after the cash and loot from killing the rats, well, it is what it is. If it had been 0.0 i would have done what all the good isk farmers do and just log off.. [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.23 00:35:00 - [19] Originally by: FBIJustice The guy was stealing my isk...i didn't care about the loyalty points gained. i wanted the isk from the rats along with the loot. that would have probably come to another 12mil isk. i have no problem with eve being a multiplayer game, i pvp and gang ops. However, agent missions are a solo affair, so, putting a key in, to verify that it is your mission isn't a bad idea. He wasn't stealing your anything. He was killing NPCs with a bounty on them. What did you get from canceling the mission? Nothing. You don't get "your" ISK back. You just lose the reward and lose standings. Good job screwing yourself over.
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.04.23 00:38:00 - [20] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 23/04/2008 00:38:59 Originally by: FBIJustice However, agent missions are a solo affair, so, putting a key in, to verify that it is your mission isn't a bad idea. Says who? Also I'd love to be on TS when steel reads this Nostalgia \| Deadspace2 \| Deadspace
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 00:52:00 - [21] KMeh, I do this just for the fun of it. Scan down a runner, if the mission is just beginning I grab my mission running ship, warp back and get to popping rats. I get a bit of bounty and I can return quicker to salvage the wrecks. Only response from the runners I have gotten is a big ol' "THANKS!" for helping them complete the mission and an invite to salvage all I want. Funny you saw it differently and cancelled the mission. --------------- Nerf You! Buff Me!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:00:00 - [22] The guy wanted: a) Your rats, or b) Your ship He was going to get b) when you did something stupid (f.ex., stole from his cans). As long as you don't do that, he's accelerating you through your mission quite nicely. Thank him, and move on. You're probably losing a bit of isk, but you're gaining LP faster, and it's not worth a confrontation, let alone... And for the love of Jebus, if you have to run missions to fund your PvP, please don't post about it on Eve-O. The concept of "sympathetic crowd" is nonexistent here. Indeed, I suspect that if you'd written this same post from your interloper's point of view, the responses would have been the exact opposite (though admittedly from different people; I have a hard time imagining Doc speaking up for carebear rights ). --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.04.23 01:33:00 - [23] Originally by: FBIJustice Not sure if this has been talked about yet or not but i would like to bring it up. I was running a mission today and had to end it. When some jack probed me down and warped in he's Caldri navy raven in on the rats i was trying to kill in my lvl4 mission. The only thing i could do to stop him from taken isk from my mission rats was to end the mission as fast, as i could. Did it hurt him that i had to end my mission no, but it did hurt my standing with my agent.. ~~I would just like to see ccp put a key or something that you would give to your party members from the agent. locking unwelcome guest out of mission that i had to work for to get just a thought.~~ Originally by: FBIJustice The guy was stealing my isk...i didn't care about the loyalty points gained. i wanted the isk from the rats along with the loot. that would have probably come to another 12mil isk. i have no problem with eve being a multiplayer game, i pvp and gang ops. However, agent missions are a solo affair, so, putting a key in, to verify that it is your mission isn't a bad idea. Originally by: FBIJustice If it had been 0.0 i would have done what all the good isk farmers do and just log off.. For clarity, I've gone ahead and crossed out a few foolish, lame, irrelevant, and just plain wrong things you've said so far in this thread, leaving just the parts you really ought to be mulling over. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:18:00 - [24] Originally by: FBIJustice The guy was stealing my isk...i didn't care about the loyalty points gained. i wanted the isk from the rats along with the loot. that would have probably come to another 12mil isk. i have no problem with eve being a multiplayer game, i pvp and gang ops. However, agent missions are a solo affair, so, putting a key in, to verify that it is your mission isn't a bad idea. He can't be stealing something that isn't yours in the first place. you don't have any kind of ownership of the mission to begin with.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:20:00 - [25] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Leandro Salazar An Axiom guy asking for mission instancing... That is almost as funny as some fool in a CNR probing out other runners rather than getting his own missions... I see what you did there. But let's look at it this way: Option 1) Spend a lot of ISK on probes to probe down a guy so you can kill his mission rats. Option 2) Go to agent, get mission, kill rats, get mission payout and bonus, don't waste any money/time on probes. Which would you do? Option 3) Not missin in Motsu.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.23 03:36:00 - [26] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Leandro Salazar An Axiom guy asking for mission instancing... That is almost as funny as some fool in a CNR probing out other runners rather than getting his own missions... I see what you did there. But let's look at it this way: Option 1) Spend a lot of ISK on probes to probe down a guy so you can kill his mission rats. Option 2) Go to agent, get mission, kill rats, get mission payout and bonus, don't waste any money/time on probes. Which would you do? Option 3) Not missin in Motsu. D'on, I got owned. Almost, since I don't even know in which region Motsu is. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:34:00 - [27] He wasn't stealing your anything. He was killing NPCs with a bounty on them. What did you get from canceling the mission? Nothing. You don't get "your" ISK back. You just lose the reward and lose standings. Good job screwing yourself over. your right and I'm just wrong he was not stealing nothing that would be there if no one had started a mission oh wait someone did me there for it's my mission and with out me there would be no rats for anyone to kill. As for me screwing myself over don't really care to much stopped him from taken what he did not work for to get only point I'm trying to make here. [url=http://www.fbi-clan.org][/url]
FBIJustice Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:39:00 - [28] He can't be stealing something that isn't yours in the first place. you don't have any kind of ownership of the mission to begin with. Nope your right and if i had not been out in the mission there is some way for him to find it out side of probing me down oh wait theres not back to my point of a key to keep unwanted guest out of mission they have no right to be in, in the first place.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:45:00 - [29] Space is free, punk. Anyone can go anywhere. The only thing guaranteed to stop them is a lot of big guns facing their direction when they come out of warp. Mission instancing doesn't go with Eve.
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.04.23 05:03:00 - [30] Originally by: FBIJustice Nope your right and if i had not been out in the mission there is some way for him to find it out side of probing me down oh wait theres not back to my point of a key to keep unwanted guest out of mission they have no right to be in, in the first place. You have a strange notion of who has a "right" to what. It is not a loophole that scan probes work in high sec. CCP did't forget things like Cargo scanners are only really useful to make sure you suicide on something worth your time there. This is EVE, we are ment to be the antoginists for each other. You only own the ISK in your wallet. All the rest is up for grabs. But lets throw your argument back at you. The mission was there because you spawned it. Fair enough. If you were to log though, instead of cancel the mission, what would happen? The mission would still be there and he could still enjoy killing the NPC. Ergo, though you were the catalist that spawned them they are clearly independant of you unless you take a deliberate penalty to remove them. This is like a miner claiming a right to the Veldspar in his Jetcan because it wouldn't be there if he hadn't mined it. -Galan The answer to empire ganking

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