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Elanra	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:53:00 - [1] Disclaimer: I am not pro or anti pirate. I simply have a practical question. I would appreciate if other posts (if any) on this thread were also practical. I saw some threads discussing piracy and ransoms but they were mostly revolving around why you should or should not trust a pirate to honor ransom. It seems to me that both PVEers and pirates don't like people who don't honor ransoms. So I have a hypothetical question to professional pirates: What should I do if I payed ransom and still got blown up or podded? Should I contact their CEO (since most pirate corps don't tolerate this sort of thing)? Their alliance leaders? Post it on a forum (since other pirates might want to know who damages the business)? All of the above in that order?
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:02:00 - [2] hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:06:00 - [3] cry
Tidas Andrommeda Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 22/04/2008 22:10:26 El'tar please leave. Whether that typing is serious or just a joke it still makes my eyes bleed Forums ate my post so heres the short version. Whatever path you choose make sure you're cool about it. Approaching any revenge tactic or even dealing with others to help you achieve revenge in a way that makes you seem out of control often leads to bad things for you and said douchebag getting away.
Elanra	Posted - 2008.04.22 22:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 22/04/2008 22:10:26 El'tar please leave. Whether that typing is serious or just a joke it still makes my eyes bleed Forums ate my post so heres the short version. Whatever path you choose make sure you're cool about it. Approaching any revenge tactic or even dealing with others to help you achieve revenge in a way that makes you seem out of control often leads to bad things for you and said douchebag getting away. Indeed. It seems to me that the reason why many people refuse to pay ransoms is because they feel completely out of control. They probably think that a pirate could break the ransom deal without any consequences.
Tidas Andrommeda Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.22 23:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Elanra Originally by: Tidas Andrommeda Edited by: Tidas Andrommeda on 22/04/2008 22:10:26 El'tar please leave. Whether that typing is serious or just a joke it still makes my eyes bleed Forums ate my post so heres the short version. Whatever path you choose make sure you're cool about it. Approaching any revenge tactic or even dealing with others to help you achieve revenge in a way that makes you seem out of control often leads to bad things for you and said douchebag getting away. Indeed. It seems to me that the reason why many people refuse to pay ransoms is because they feel completely out of control. They probably think that a pirate could break the ransom deal without any consequences. Well thats because they can in general, if they're in an NPC corp. No one expects they're victems to come kill them back >: D Originally by: cal nereus I like it when ships outrun missiles. It adds flavor to my soup. And by soup I mean gaming experience. And by flavor I mean "haha, you use missiles!"
Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.04.23 09:02:00 - [7] 1) Contact the CEO about the matter. Work out a deal with him. 2) If the former fails, name and shame corp and member on forums. The latter won't give you back your stuff, but at least you can warn others
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.04.23 10:39:00 - [8] Originally by: El'Tar this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family Happan to mee! I pay isk but then crook make torture with my wife and kids :(((((
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.23 10:43:00 - [9] Generally expose the pirate who does this to the other pirates. It's bad for business and usually they'll take care of it in the long term. Other than that you can add to their bounty but that only really feeds their epeen. If you have sufficient friends just camp out their system etc and get even.
Tchell Dahhn	Posted - 2008.04.23 10:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Jaedar Metron 1) Contact the CEO about the matter. Work out a deal with him. 2) If the former fails, name and shame corp and member on forums. The latter won't give you back your stuff, but at least you can warn others This. You can do a search and find many posts where CEO's have personally responded to this request, after performing a very in-depth check into Members' activities. It is definitely bad for business, and I know of a few CEO's who have taken serious action against their Corpmates (i.e. forum apologies, kicks, etc.) so you're not completely left in the dark. I definitely agree with one of the other posts, to let 'cooler heads prevail', because as you've undoubtedly noticed, coming on the forums and whining or yelling about it, claiming its 'unfairness', is just asking for a poor response. The Tchell Dahhn Manifesto

Wideen Caldari Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:06:00 - [11] Originally by: El'Tar hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind Best evar. Really. Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:08:00 - [12] Print screen convo of ransom and your wallet after sending isk. That way you also have proof. Cause a normal chat logg doesn't prove much. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Yendaj Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Wideen Originally by: El'Tar hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind Best evar. Really. ^^ This...
CetusOfAsuran GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:27:00 - [14] i'd go for the wardec approach if wasnt going to be a complete gut ripping, and as mentiond camp there known hot spots. Ensure that you request your ransom back, plus cost of destroyed vessel mutiplied several times. Play for 2 weeks for 24hours a day so he dont gt no peace. Or if you too weak or heavily outnumbered by the corp in Q hire noob mercs and enjoy.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.23 11:35:00 - [15] Originally by: General Coochie Print screen convo of ransom and your wallet after sending isk. That way you also have proof. Cause a normal chat logg doesn't prove much. This and this. Originally by: Jaedar Metron 1) Contact the CEO about the matter. Work out a deal with him. 2) If the former fails, name and shame corp and member on forums. The latter won't give you back your stuff, but at least you can warn others The other than that the other kill/wardec things suggested... tbh don't waste your isk wardeccing a corp with -10's if the pirate was an outlaw. Other pirates appreciate the info so they know not to blue said pirate corp for obvious reasons. But always come with proof of it happening, or people will just laugh at you.
sxndy Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.23 12:03:00 - [16] One sure fire way to not need to pay a ransom and save yourself a crap load of trouble, is to jump out your ship and warp your pod away. snickers
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.23 12:25:00 - [17] Generally expose the pirate who does this to the other pirates. It's bad for business and usually they'll take care of it in the long term. this is just rubbish - from what I have seen pirates will pop other pirates just as quick in any case, it's not like we see a flashy red come to gate and read his bio, check forums to see if he is a good pirate or not, even if the pirate is known to be bad or good will result in them getting popped. pirates who are known to pod after ransom will find it harder to get into some corps, but that s about it! Since ransoms are down anyway and the stupid WT0, it makes sense to ransom and then pop ship (I have not done this myself). As I see it you can: -Warn other players about them (forum/corps etc) -Try and pop them back (might make you feel better) -accept it and move on As for paying ransoms I think that the vast majority of eve pirates will let you go after ransoms MAFIA Website
Zirconium Blade Ass Pounding Space Monkeys	Posted - 2008.04.23 12:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Steve Celeste Originally by: El'Tar this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family Happan to mee! I pay isk but then crook make torture with my wife and kids :((((( I pay isk but damn guy make sexy time with my wife and kids Turn out was wifes idea
Elanra	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:00:00 - [19] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: General Coochie Print screen convo of ransom and your wallet after sending isk. That way you also have proof. Cause a normal chat logg doesn't prove much. This and this. Originally by: Jaedar Metron 1) Contact the CEO about the matter. Work out a deal with him. 2) If the former fails, name and shame corp and member on forums. The latter won't give you back your stuff, but at least you can warn others The other than that the other kill/wardec things suggested... tbh don't waste your isk wardeccing a corp with -10's if the pirate was an outlaw. Other pirates appreciate the info so they know not to blue said pirate corp for obvious reasons. But always come with proof of it happening, or people will just laugh at you. Speaking of proof, would it help if I transfer money via a contract (to the pirate's corp) as opposed to using "give money" menu option?

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Tyr'onth	Posted - 2008.04.23 14:57:00 - [21] You: 1. Train up your skills 2. Find the guy 3. Pod him back to stone age 4. Convo him 5. "start a new char, that i can't find out it's you"
Cordran Li Gallente The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:56:00 - [22] Find him in RL and punch him in the face. Tried and true tactic.
Thak Navari Caldari Uneasy Corp Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.23 16:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Wideen Originally by: El'Tar hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind Best evar. Really. ^^ This... EPIC!
Tala Sasaki	Posted - 2008.04.23 16:58:00 - [24] Name and shame.
Lord Flenser	Posted - 2008.04.23 18:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Thak Navari Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Wideen Originally by: El'Tar hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind Best evar. Really. ^^ This... EPIC! AWESOME! I wasn't sure but I tried this and it actually worked for me!!!!
BeddingPlants Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:32:00 - [26] Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:34:00 - [27] Edited by: z0de on 23/04/2008 22:34:52 .
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.04.24 08:57:00 - [28] Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME There's a guy in your alliance that successfully negotiated two separate ransom payments that keeps your alliance safe. You don't know who he is. But since we're duty bound to not wardec him, it's keeping you from losing all your ships. --- Boring & Banal. Just how CCP like it.
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The Halibuts	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:23:00 - [29] dun dun duuuuun ___________________ What was that word young man!?!
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME There's a guy in your alliance that successfully negotiated two separate ransom payments that keeps your alliance safe. You don't know who he is. But since we're duty bound to not wardec him, it's keeping you from losing all your ships. Burn! ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster

Elanra	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:12:00 - [31] Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME And this will accomplish what exactly?
Dosgar Caldari Panic DHH	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME There's a guy in your alliance that successfully negotiated two separate ransom payments that keeps your alliance safe. You don't know who he is. But since we're duty bound to not wardec him, it's keeping you from losing all your ships. SCORE! ---
Ordon Gundar Caldari Impending Doom Inc. The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.04.24 15:05:00 - [33] Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME BEDDINGPLANTS??? WTF? Ordon Gundar - Low Sec Survivalist & CEO of Danger Zone Enterprises
Nama Saya Chickens with an Attitude No Law	Posted - 2008.04.24 15:17:00 - [34] Quote: What to do if you pay ransom and still get blown up? Enjoy the explosion, post a tread on the forum and move on. Most corperations will honour randsom like CWA. It's one of the ways for us to make a bit of isk.
Po3tank Amarr Evil ALT Corp Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 15:25:00 - [35] Player A: pay me x amount of isk Player B: ok sent Player A: thx (proceeds to blow ship up) Player B: I paid ransom waaahhhh you jerk Player A: ??? I never said I was going to let you go fool I just wanted your isk for the lulz Collect the carebear tears in a bottle and sell it on eBAY
BeddingPlants Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.04.25 20:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Originally by: BeddingPlants Simple solution? Never, EVER pay ransoms, no matter how trustworthy the pirate is. I'd rather lose all my ships than pay some random fool not to blow me up. Paying ransoms stinks of submission. Eat the loss, get over it, and go kill the random fool, if u can -BP VOTF CR1ME There's a guy in your alliance that successfully negotiated two separate ransom payments that keeps your alliance safe. You don't know who he is. But since we're duty bound to not wardec him, it's keeping you from losing all your ships. Really. This is interesting. I shall look into this a.s.a.p.
Iyhi Baal	Posted - 2008.04.26 16:40:00 - [37] When will you people learn? *Never pay ransoms !* ################# I see you!
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.29 01:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Fifth Horseman There's a guy in your alliance that successfully negotiated two separate ransom payments that keeps your alliance safe. You don't know who he is. But since we're duty bound to not wardec him, it's keeping you from losing all your ships. Duty bound? I can't imagine a pirate acting on principles such as honour and respect This reminds me of that quote - there are three sides to every story: your side, their side, and the Truth!
Suitonia Gallente interimo	Posted - 2008.04.29 04:50:00 - [39] Originally by: BeddingPlants [ Really. This is interesting. I shall look into this a.s.a.p. Interimo sends it love to Kworld. --- I've always wondered about those Vagabond pilots...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.04.29 04:58:00 - [40] Here is what happens when you get popped after a ransom You get mad post on the forums about it forum ***** pirate corps all post in that thread saying that they honor ransoms nothing gets accomplished Ransoms are a gamble not a toll booth

Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.29 10:31:00 - [41] I like all he advice on how you should name and shame them here in crime$smack. Indeed this is the place to cry. lols. And to the whole true-pirates-police-and-punish-pirates-that-dont-honour-ransoms thing is kinda funny. Riiiiight
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.29 10:43:00 - [42] Oh look...another thread where mission runners posing as pirates proclaim LOL's for not honoring a ransom . OP: Name and shame. Ignore the rest. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Lona Lwyd	Posted - 2008.04.29 10:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Yendaj Originally by: Wideen Originally by: El'Tar hi. this vary bad. this is like sum 1 sayin "gimme 5 dolla or i kill ur family" u giv 5 dolla and he slay family i is suggest. fit battleboat with battlefitted guns, battlefitted mediumslotis.battlefitted lowslots. and prepare for battle and go pwn him/her ( if its a her its prolly sexy wumun in tight dress, so u can fantasisie about this in ur own sparie tim as payback, nd mak sur u let her know about this ) otherwise go to battleboat nd pwn his behind Best evar. Really. ^^ This...
CrazySpaceHobo	Posted - 2008.04.30 21:01:00 - [44] I never pay ransom, i'd rather fight it out to the death, like i did the other week for my ferox, but then again, he was ransoming for 35mil on a ship that incl fitting was only worth 25mil, and i had it insured, so i told him to get out. and proceeded to nearly pwn his ass. Only reason he won is because he fired first. came down to the very last mssile.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.05.01 03:30:00 - [45] Originally by: CrazySpaceHobo I never pay ransom, i'd rather fight it out to the death, like i did the other week for my ferox, but then again, he was ransoming for 35mil on a ship that incl fitting was only worth 25mil, and i had it insured, so i told him to get out. and proceeded to nearly pwn his ass. Only reason he won is because he fired first. came down to the very last mssile. Congratulations you lost your ship
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.05.01 07:20:00 - [46] Edited by: OffBeaT on 01/05/2008 07:21:06 you can thank killboards for the no ransom pirates they are all just headhunters now mostly its just what they do and the same with alliance members. contact there corp tell them the guy dose not honer ransoms and he is a jerk gammer. other then that fly up too his station and call him out in frount of his hole corp.
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:51:00 - [47] Here's what to do. 1) Buy a lot of gtc and sell them for isk. ( you will need about 3B ). 2) Buy an expensive officer fitted raven. 3) Contact pirate corp ceo and ask for a 1 on 1 versus the pilot who killed you. ( Mostly ceo's will agree as they dont want members who cant fight solo if needed ) 4) Bring you uber raven down to there low sec / 0.0 headquarters and call out the pilot for a duel. 5) Don't worry about the other pirates gathering around the entrance they just wanna watch the big fight. 6) Wait for the pilot to undock and go for your revenge
PsyBoRG	Posted - 2008.05.01 13:29:00 - [48] pfff ransom > kill i was personaly ransomed for the first time ever recently in my nanofag ishtar (damn rapiers) i paid and saved around 150mill on fitting a new ship just sounds like good buisness to me... oh and props to genos for putting on a good show ppl who travel solo at -5.0 in a valuable ship like that need to be punished and tbh those 3 insta lock rapiers was priceless ...


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