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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:40:00 -
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What a bunch of mindless follow-bots you all are.
The idea is to make botters see the error of their ways and continue being paying customers. You don't do that by any of the stupid methods you animals keep coming up with. Tagging? Name and shame? LOL
Locking the character is good enough.
It's not in CCP's interest to make people leave the game. It's in their interest to educate them so they become normal scamming, griefing asshats instead of EULA breaking asshats.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
749
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:53:00 -
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Morrigu Storm wrote:Brand the *******!
Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!
Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts.
I'm sure y'all can come up with more.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5123
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:11:00 -
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No, CCP will probably not implement a mechanic with the sole purpose of letting people harass other players for their past sins. That would kind of go against their own EULA. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Jita Alt666
941
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:22:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Morrigu Storm wrote:Brand the *******!
Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!
Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts. I'm sure y'all can come up with more. Mr Epeen
I propose P(layer Harassment) for using locator agents to track players and repeatedly ganking them.
I want to be the first to have GIMP branded on my face.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
751
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:30:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Morrigu Storm wrote:Brand the *******!
Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!
Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts. I'm sure y'all can come up with more. Mr Epeen I propose P(layer Harassment) for using locator agents to track players and repeatedly ganking them. I want to be the first to have GIMP branded on my face.
ROFL!
I should sign up as your straight man.
I'd be content with PIG branded on mine.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1165
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:02:00 -
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Are you saying that a little icon should show up on the portrait and name of characters flagged as and banned for botting activity? I think that would be awesome!
Won't happen though. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Rene Fullchest
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
12
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:27:00 -
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I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.
There is only one reason we want this, and it doesn't involve shame at all. What we want is some concrete evidence that CCP is actually doing what they say they are doing. Notice I said concrete evidence, not hearsay from some other forums, not "I have noticed...", not "say, the overall concurrent player numbers seem to be down", not anything at all like that.
If CCP says they have banned 1000, provide a list of those character names so that we, the non-cheating players, can at least be able to tell if that character is still logging on or be able to act in coordination to come to the conclusion that such a player name never actually existed in the first place.
We want the names so that we can have faith, based on verifiable evidence, that CCP is not just paying lip service to the many who detest botting and botters.
Without that, none of their words or alleged actions means a damn thing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5123
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:32:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned. Perhaps the failure to grasp that is due to the fact that nothing of the sort has been mentioned, least of all in the OP.
Who are the GÇ£weGÇ¥ you're talking about, because the OP doesn't seem to be part of it? vOv GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
246
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:33:00 -
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This will just be abused in the same way the "Report Isk Seller" button is used against more scammers then isk sellers |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:53:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned. IANAL but a few thoughts
- a flag for having a negative sec status is sth that is strictly limited to in-game actions and characters - a flag for being a botter is a public allegation that the player behind that character has violated a RL contract between himself and CCP.
most botters are probably banned based on circumstantial evidence (suspicious behavior), only in rare cases there will be direct proof of botting (e.g. injected python showing up in error reports). |
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oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:28:00 -
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Just so its clear, I am and always was referring to In-Game characters only, never RL names, I thought that my statement about RL issues was a clear indicator of this, I apologize if that was not very clear.
I do not care for who the player is in RL, that is between them and CCP, nothing to do with me, everything I state on this thread is referred to the in-game player and their actions while in-game.
Nothing nor any actions GÇ£by us or to us playersGÇ¥ should be taken when it comes down to compare and/or attach anything to the person behind the character, hope that now I made my stance more clear on these issues. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
56
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:48:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.
There is only one reason we want this, and it doesn't involve shame at all. What we want is some concrete evidence that CCP is actually doing what they say they are doing. Notice I said concrete evidence, not hearsay from some other forums, not "I have noticed...", not "say, the overall concurrent player numbers seem to be down", not anything at all like that.
If CCP says they have banned 1000, provide a list of those character names so that we, the non-cheating players, can at least be able to tell if that character is still logging on or be able to act in coordination to come to the conclusion that such a player name never actually existed in the first place.
We want the names so that we can have faith, based on verifiable evidence, that CCP is not just paying lip service to the many who detest botting and botters.
Without that, none of their words or alleged actions means a damn thing.
Faith and concrete evidence don't actually go together. You don't have any faith in CCP or you would not be asking them for a list of names.
I'm a non-cheating customer and have no interest in seeing a list of names at all, it serves no purpose other than to satisfy the curious and nosey.
Their words might not mean a damn thing to you, but that's because you have no faith or trust in them. As for me I'll let them get on with their job without demanding pointless lists of names. Or even an equally stupid tag system. |
Morrigu Storm
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
1
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:46:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Morrigu Storm wrote:Brand the *******!
Stick RMT a big "M" on their Avatars forhead for all to see depending what they have been caught doing!
Why stop there. Brand them with a G (rief) for can baiting noobs and brand them with a big I (diot) for stupid forum posts. I'm sure y'all can come up with more. Mr Epeen
G should be for anyone who a goon! |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
68
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:51:00 -
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Decorum, an idea as foreign to gamers as outdoor exercise. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.03 04:14:00 -
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oustade Habalu wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: What is the point of having some list of names public to everyone It appears you may have some difficulty understanding the meaning of GÇ£ShamingGÇ¥ although I recon you are only trolling as some other couple figures in this thread.
Shame based over an "Acting" in video game. hmm interesting concept. Go on then.
I do not know about you but we all know the people in real life who made quite a great deal of wealth by "legal" or not so "legal" ways. And we all know we are dumb as hell because we were not the ones...
Playing by the rules is great, but always the worst kind of play you can come up. |
Bipolar Brock Nelson
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:24:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Playing by the rules is great, but always the worst kind of play you can come up.
Hear Hear!!!
Welcome to the dark side!
PS: Just keep your bots away from me you bad capsuler. |
Rixiu
EVE Corporation 12356625
107
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:47:00 -
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People enjoy attention, giving it to them is more a carrot than anything else. Stupid idea is stupid. |
Valei Khurelem
400
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:11:00 -
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The problem is here is that people are forgetting in the end this is just a game, no one is realistically being hurt by this, it's a pain in the ass yes, but posting their personal details and lives up for all to see and attack? No, that's the kind of thing the media does in the UK and they think it's justifiable because doing something petty and daft is something to get lynched over.
Lets keep that kind of thing for people who truly deserve it thanks like people who think it's okay to post videos of them blatantly abusing animals or committing real crimes that actually harm others.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
99
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:07:00 -
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Rene Fullchest wrote:I believe most of those here arguing against or justifying CCP's failure to do so, fail to grasp that we are not wanting REAL names, but character names, and not characters temp-banned, but those perma-banned.
There is only one reason we want this, and it doesn't involve shame at all. What we want is some concrete evidence that CCP is actually doing what they say they are doing. Notice I said concrete evidence, not hearsay from some other forums, not "I have noticed...", not "say, the overall concurrent player numbers seem to be down", not anything at all like that.
If CCP says they have banned 1000, provide a list of those character names so that we, the non-cheating players, can at least be able to tell if that character is still logging on or be able to act in coordination to come to the conclusion that such a player name never actually existed in the first place.
We want the names so that we can have faith, based on verifiable evidence, that CCP is not just paying lip service to the many who detest botting and botters.
Without that, none of their words or alleged actions means a damn thing.
OK let's just pretend for a minute that you really want this as confirmation of CCP's honesty.
CCP owns the ******* game, don't be an idiot. You want names? They can conjure them from thin air and add them to the DB. These "people" are "banned", how the **** would you know the difference?
Jackhole got banned. Asshat420 got banned. DipstickOne got banned.
See how easy this is?
If you don't believe they're telling the truth about banning people, how can you believe in the validity of a list of names from the same source? The names cannot be confirmed because they were allegedly banned.
*Grabs popcorn.* He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
59
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:36:00 -
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Pod Potato wrote:Shaming and blacklisting people is wrong... I just black listed u... you are no longer allowed to fleet with my corp in level 1 missions |
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oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:17:00 -
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CCP Shreegs mentioned at FF he will start a thread about this...
Interesting that CCP has no problem tagging someone that do not want to be griefed and/or participate in someone's idea of fun by griefing others, however, they don't have the same treatment to botters... |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1337
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:25:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I can't think of a single company that has ever named the characters or accounts banned for any reason. I wouldn't imagine it s a good policy at all to do so. I wouldn't expect this to happen. Frankly I don't care to even see any of that information. A devblog telling me that they did it is good enough for me. I doubt they would blatantly lie about it. This was my original perspective on the matter. This perspective has since changed. It was stated at Fanfest as a question from one of the players to a CCP Dev that it would be good for corp leaders to be able to see who was flagged as a botter so they can choose not to recruit that person.
This is a good point. I can get behind flagging a player as a botter or for any other EULA breaking action if there is a good reason for it. This is one. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
110
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Posted - 2012.03.26 13:34:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I can't think of a single company that has ever named the characters or accounts banned for any reason. I wouldn't imagine it s a good policy at all to do so. I wouldn't expect this to happen. Frankly I don't care to even see any of that information. A devblog telling me that they did it is good enough for me. I doubt they would blatantly lie about it. This was my original perspective on the matter. This perspective has since changed. It was stated at Fanfest as a question from one of the players to a CCP Dev that it would be good for corp leaders to be able to see who was flagged as a botter so they can choose not to recruit that person. This is a good point. I can get behind flagging a player as a botter or for any other EULA breaking action if there is a good reason for it. This is one.
It might seem like a good point but it's not.
If they're still in-game then CCP has decided to give them another chance, which is CCPs choice to make. As they are still customers of CCP they should not be flagged other than on the actual account as effectively 1 life used up. |
SgtGoodEnd
Aliastra Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:09:00 -
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oustade Habalu wrote:CCP Shreegs mentioned at FF he will start a thread about this...
Interesting that CCP has no problem tagging someone that do not want to be griefed and/or participate in someone's idea of fun by griefing others, however, they don't have the same treatment to botters...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87030&find=unread
Let the dead horse die! |
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