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Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2012.03.05 00:31:00 -
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+5 learning rate is a privilege that comes with wealth and risk taking. You have no entitlement to it. While many pvpers die and run right back out 2 seconds later the game isn't designed with that in mind. Your fights are supposed to be somewhat planned and well thought out. If you disregard this protocol and play by the seat of your pants you take the higher risk.
People with hundreds of billions of ISK can use +5 implants and die multiple times a day. Its all about finances and how adept you are at staying alive. If your bankroll is low and you die often then you have no right or ability to maintain the higher learning rate. No the game shouldn't be changed to make it where you are equal in that right. There is no difference between a pvp and a pve player aside from what activity they are doing at that given moment. Its one game, EVE, not two games in one. There are only players, no pvpers and no pvers. |
Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2012.03.05 00:51:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:+5 learning rate is a privilege that comes with wealth and risk taking. You have no entitlement to it. While many pvpers die and run right back out 2 seconds later the game isn't designed with that in mind. Your fights are supposed to be somewhat planned and well thought out. If you disregard this protocol and play by the seat of your pants you take the higher risk.
People with hundreds of billions of ISK can use +5 implants and die multiple times a day. Its all about finances and how adept you are at staying alive. If your bankroll is low and you die often then you have no right or ability to maintain the higher learning rate. No the game shouldn't be changed to make it where you are equal in that right. There is no difference between a pvp and a pve player aside from what activity they are doing at that given moment. Its one game, EVE, not two games in one. There are only players, no pvpers and no pvers. I don't think you really understood the point. The point isn't about risk, or cost, its that people who choose never to fight or leave empire or undock from station are... You know what, **** it. This has been said above, read the thread before posting. I can't be bothered to reiterate what has been said multiple times over three pages just because you're too lazy to read a conversation before trying to join it.
I understand your point perfectly. A person who avoids conflict and stays docked up trading and making money is also training at a higher rate. A person that suffers from adrenaline addiction and can't stand doing anything in EVE that isn't putting his avatar in peril every 5 minutes can't train as fast as the previous because he's taking more risk and said person doesn't have the bankroll to finance the risk. Thats working as intended. Its the traders advantage, much like combat inclined characters advantage when the two meet head on in war. Its also a choice that everyone makes from the start of their career in EVE. Do I master the market first and have the cash later to finance heavier combat or do I master combat earlier on to protect myself before making market moves.
I assume by your outrage you understood my point perfectly. |
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:21:00 -
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Simi Kusoni0 wrote:Quite simply there's no reason that rate of learning should be linked to empire space, it adds nothing to the game.
And no, it doesn't effect us older players since a few days/weeks here and there on our SP plans doesn't make a lot of difference to us. It does effect new players though, especially since they're the ones who are far more likely than us to lose pods too.
Then its a good thing its not linked to any particular space. It's linked to isk in wallet, risk aversion and individual determination.
And for attempting to use "the newbs" like people use "the kids" you sir, are worse than ******. |
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:57:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Simi Kusoni0 wrote:Quite simply there's no reason that rate of learning should be linked to empire space, it adds nothing to the game.
And no, it doesn't effect us older players since a few days/weeks here and there on our SP plans doesn't make a lot of difference to us. It does effect new players though, especially since they're the ones who are far more likely than us to lose pods too.
Then its a good thing its not linked to any particular space. It's linked to isk in wallet, risk aversion and individual determination. It is linked to empire, have you ever undocked in Eve? Why are you even discussing this? Are we playing the same game? Oh Christ I just looked up your combat record, nvm. I lol'd. Caliph Muhammed wrote:And for attempting to use "the newbs" like people use "the kids", you sir, are worse than Hatler. Some things effect new players more than old players, deal with it.
http://wat.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=91190298 The enemy has a 100% survival rate against you.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=704551&m=3&y=2012 The enemy has a 0% survival rate against me.
I lol'd. |
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Posted - 2012.03.05 05:41:00 -
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4 medium neuts on a drake meant to neut is much fun. Unfortunately that day we couldnt find a fight so we sat at a gate until someone attacked us. And eventually someone did, a fleet of 12-20. So dont talk **** like you're impressing anyone. It was three of there bored looking to gank. We gave up and decided we werent taking the ships back intact.
That 4 neut drake can kill a rattlesnake pve fit shield tank by itself very quickly. So can your memesque must use a cookie cutter shitfit rhetoric.
Most recon ships have 4 launchers. The drake has 4 launchers and 4 neuts which is a perfectly workable setup. And when you can kill the offense and defense of any ship put in front of you by leaving them with a dead cap your dps is somewhat irrelevant.
Post on your combat main so we know you aren't just claiming to be someone else. Because for the life of me I cant possibly understand why you would post under that shet character if you had better. |
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:13:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:4 medium neuts on a drake meant to neut is much fun. Unfortunately that day we couldnt find a fight so we sat at a gate until someone attacked us. And eventually someone did, a fleet of 12-20. So dont talk shet like you're impressing anyone. It was three of us there bored looking to gank. We gave up and decided we werent taking the ships back intact.
That 4 neut drake can kill a rattlesnake pve fit shield tank by itself very quickly. So can your memesque must use a cookie cutter shitfit rhetoric.
Most recon ships have 4 launchers. The drake has 4 launchers and 4 neuts which is a perfectly workable setup. And when you can kill the offense and defense of any ship put in front of you by leaving them with a dead cap your dps is somewhat irrelevant.
Post on your combat main so we know you aren't just claiming to be someone else. Because for the life of me I cant possibly understand why you would post under that shet character if you had better. Cool story bro, I especially like the part where you forgot to put any tank on your drake. Anyway, my combat alt is linked in my bio. Another of my combat alts is linked in my combat alts bio. And I am linked in my combat alts alts bio... Seriously, its a little circle of name linking and we're all in the same corp. You seriously going to make me relog just to prove a point? . Low bro, low.
Why do I need tank on a drake if i'm not going to be tanking? I told you we were ganking. Meaning we wanted a single target to hit and all i had to do was neut him.
Second of all my shield ewar and capacitor skills are elite certed. So what you percieve as no tank is plenty to me. Only baddies who find themselves in situations they werent expecting require the 77k ehp (in game) drake. My drake under no circumstances has over 55k ehp. I dont need it, id rather have two webs or a painter or any number of things more than more shield.
And if you did actually check the killmail look at the number of people that killed the drake and tell me what you think two shield extenders were going to do?
Besides my poverty stricken friend I use tengus, drakes are for the poor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMwpKIgFbCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uEuK2Tb0g
Two fun kills and im using the tengu. More videos to come. More I can give.
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:31:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:hy do I need tank on a drake if i'm not going to be tanking? I told you we were ganking. Meaning we wanted a single target to hit and all i had to do was neut him. Second of all my shield ewar and capacitor skills are elite certed. So what you percieve as no tank is plenty to me. Only baddies who find themselves in situations they werent expecting require the 77k ehp (in game) drake. My drake under no circumstances has over 55k ehp. I dont need it, id rather have two webs or a painter or any number of things more than more shield. And if you did actually check the killmail look at the number of people that killed the drake and tell me what you think two shield extenders were going to do? Besides my poverty stricken friend I use tengus, drakes are for the poor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMwpKIgFbCYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uEuK2Tb0gTwo fun kills and im using the tengu. More videos to come. More I can give. Look dude, I really can't be bothered to watch some terrible videos of a high sec "pvp" toon flying a T3, not quite sure why you're calling me poverty stricken either? Maybe you looked up the wrong toon lol, but either way get back on topic or STFU and GTFO of this thread.
Because you are in a thread crying over not being able to afford to train as fast as hisecers when you die with +5s. |
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:56:00 -
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It doesn't act as a barrier for new players it acts as a barrier to poor players. Veteran and new. If they can't afford the premium training speed and the risk that comes from dying with that premium rate thats their own personal issue. I like the fact I can pvp and lose the 5s while others can't. Its the beauty of a free market sandbox system. There is no inherent right to equality in this game. Only the same rules applied to all. And the rules are there for everyone. Install 5s or don't. Die or don't. Its perfectly balanced. |
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