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Aaspa Echolalia.	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:01:00 - [1] Greetings, Maybe many people are going to insult me or whatever....but I was wondering what ship can kill a Vaga easily ? I have been flying Minmatar ships, i'm into Amarr now and going back to Gallente maybe. I the only reason to train Amarr is Pulse's laser optimal range just to shoot pirate's Vagas ! So, how do you manage to shoot a Vaga? Heavy neuts? a web Drake? Pulses and Conflagration ? Thanks for your replies and don't let mean messages. If you don't like this topic just don't reply please. Aaspa.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:06:00 - [2] Generally speaking, a pair of heavy neuts will cap out a Vaga instantly. You could always put neut drones on him just to be sure. Vagas (as a general rule) don't cap boost. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 23/04/2008 22:13:46 Read up. (T'was on the 2nd page of this very forum btw...) Edit: Here's another one, but on the first page this time. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Aaspa I have been flying Minmatar ships, i'm into Amarr now and going back to Gallente maybe. I the only reason to train Amarr is Pulse's laser optimal range just to shoot pirate's Vagas! how do you have everything cross trained and don't know the answer to this ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
El Torrent Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:12:00 - [5] OMG, Aaspa my friend. You told me to remember you to stick to your decision. Doing so now, why going back to Gallente ;-) There are plenty of ways to kill Vagas. They die left and right all the time. Already forget the tactics of your old Alliance? Lets talk ingame I might have something to share to you. --
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Aaspa I was wondering what ship can kill a Vaga easily ? nano vaga, nano curse, nano rapier (needs help), nano huginn. If you want to go after the nano you need a nano. There are ways to "counter" a nano by annoying it until is leaves for easier targets. If you know you're going to be going after nanos you can specially fit battleships with neuts, faction webs, etc. Otherwise the best counter is to fly a nano.
Diana Fyre	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Generally speaking, a pair of heavy neuts will cap out a Vaga instantly. You could always put neut drones on him just to be sure. Vagas (as a general rule) don't cap boost. -Liang ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Diana Fyre ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot. There's a marvelous thing called a warp disruptor. Try it. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Compendium	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:17:00 - [9] Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Aaspa I was wondering what ship can kill a Vaga easily ? nano vaga, nano curse, nano rapier (needs help), nano huginn. If you want to go after the nano you need a nano. There are ways to "counter" a nano by annoying it until is leaves for easier targets. If you know you're going to be going after nanos you can specially fit battleships with neuts, faction webs, etc. Otherwise the best counter is to fly a nano. Welcome to nano-online.
Diana Fyre	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Diana Fyre ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot. There's a marvelous thing called a warp disruptor. Try it. -Liang Oh yeah, because it's not like vagabonds are faster than battleships, is it? Oh wait, they are.

Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:20:00 - [11] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/04/2008 22:20:40 Originally by: Diana Fyre Oh yeah, because it's not like vagabonds are faster than battleships, is it? Oh wait, they are. Actually, a capless Vaga is not faster than a battleship. Your BS has a MWD.. right? -Liang Ed: The M in MWD stands for MANDATORY -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.24 00:10:00 - [12] Raven will do it with ease. WildCat
EinaruS Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.04.24 02:43:00 - [13] vagabonds are invulnerable, it's impossible to kill them and they can kill everything, especially minmatar recons. true story - A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk
spongebobbb Amarr under the sea	Posted - 2008.04.24 03:28:00 - [14] any decent cruiser or bigger with a web or a heavy nuet (bs) will kill a vagabond, if the pilot is competant and the vaga pilot gets sloppy. for eg. with a dominix, let the vaga pilot get comfey, let him shoot you perhaps launch some medium or light drones on him so he has to keep his speed up, aproach him with mwd OFF DO NOT TRY TO NEUT HIM WHILE HE IS MOVING FAST HE WILL ESCAPE!!!. wait till his cap drains a bit and he has to turn the mwd off to re-cap a little. as soon as he does this his speed will drop aproach with mwd on and neut him down, overload webs amd mwd and recall drones, IF he is sloppy he will miss this and you will cap him to 0 before he can hit the mwd, launch heavy drones and chuckle as another vaga dies.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.24 04:36:00 - [15] third time posting this. honestly, learn! Faction Store
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 05:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Diana Fyre Originally by: Liang Nuren Generally speaking, a pair of heavy neuts will cap out a Vaga instantly. You could always put neut drones on him just to be sure. Vagas (as a general rule) don't cap boost. -Liang ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot. You don't fit warp scrams on your ships? --
Shubs Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 09:41:00 - [17] Sniping Dreads with Officer webs!
Squatdog DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:49:00 - [18] Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Aaspa I was wondering what ship can kill a Vaga easily ? nano vaga, nano curse, nano rapier (needs help), nano huginn. If you want to go after the nano you need a nano. ...and this is what's known as BALANCE. Not overpowered in the least! [yellow]Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigato
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:57:00 - [19] Edited by: arbalesttom on 24/04/2008 11:57:55 Ive been trying out the battleship + (2) heavy neut thing much lately, i think in a realistic situation the vaga pilot still has a BIG chance to get away, just because as soon as his cap dissapears, odds will be big he is already out of webrange, and in that case a big bulky battleship WITH mwd has basicly no chance running into webrange. If you catch a vaga this way, its really 90% luck and 10% tactics (and vaga pilot screw-ups). *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Squatdog Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Aaspa I was wondering what ship can kill a Vaga easily ? nano vaga, nano curse, nano rapier (needs help), nano huginn. If you want to go after the nano you need a nano. ...and this is what's known as BALANCE. Not overpowered in the least! Yeah lol and the intresting part is that they do actually have a strong squad defending this redicilous type of overpowered warfare. -------------------------------------- [Video] Angel of War

Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:08:00 - [21] Originally by: arbalesttom Ive been trying out the battleship + (2) heavy neut thing much lately, i think in a realistic situation the vaga pilot still has a BIG chance to get away, just because as soon as his cap dissapears, odds will be big he is already out of webrange, and in that case a big bulky battleship WITH mwd has basicly no chance running into webrange. Tom - the important point here is that you need to wait until his MWD is inactive before you start the procedure. At this point you start MWDing towards him and neut his cap dry - so even when he notices he has no cap, he can't fire up the MWD to escape. Yes, the BSes are slow and bulky, but at ~1km/s will outpace a Vaga which probably does 500-600m/s without MWD. The only variable here is whether you can get within 13km and/or cycle the neut before his cap recharges enough to let him burst the MWD again - this obviously depends on the initial separation, the Vaga pilot's skills and his fitting (do people put LCBs on Vagas?) but in most cases I would think this would be possible. If you have a second heavy neut fitted (e.g. on a Domi), cycle it as you get up to speed and bring the distance down to 15-16km and the Vaga stands no chance of avoiding the web and thus his destruction.
Perfect Diamond	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/04/2008 22:20:40 Originally by: Diana Fyre Oh yeah, because it's not like vagabonds are faster than battleships, is it? Oh wait, they are. Actually, a capless Vaga is not faster than a battleship. Your BS has a MWD.. right? -Liang Ed: The M in MWD stands for MANDATORY MWD doesn't matter if your not facing the right direction. And the vagas can orbit pretty fast so who knows where they will end up. Originally by: spongebobbb any decent cruiser or bigger with a web or a heavy nuet (bs) will kill a vagabond, if the pilot is competant and the vaga pilot gets sloppy. for eg. with a dominix, let the vaga pilot get comfey, let him shoot you perhaps launch some medium or light drones on him so he has to keep his speed up, aproach him with mwd OFF DO NOT TRY TO NEUT HIM WHILE HE IS MOVING FAST HE WILL ESCAPE!!!. wait till his cap drains a bit and he has to turn the mwd off to re-cap a little. as soon as he does this his speed will drop aproach with mwd on and neut him down, overload webs amd mwd and recall drones, IF he is sloppy he will miss this and you will cap him to 0 before he can hit the mwd, launch heavy drones and chuckle as another vaga dies. Not a bad tactic, wonder if it would work with a bc.
Opertone Caldari Simtech Productions	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Diana Fyre ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot. There's a marvelous thing called a warp disruptor. Try it. -Liang heavy neuts - 24 km range, tech 2 warp disruptor - 24 km range decapped vagabond is anywhere between 15 km and 23.5 km heavy NEUT Battleship speed base 200 m/s vagabond base speed 400+ m/s vagabond goes out of range with its base speed and hits warp, 10 km to go at 200 m/s speed perhaps the battleship needs true sansha disruptor and webifying drones, but its chances to kill a vagabond are still low if the battleship had 2 neuts, MWD and some reduced DPS, he would still have problems killing the vagabond
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Opertone Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Diana Fyre ... At which point the vagabond goes 'ohnoes no cap' and presses 'warp' and proceeds to smack you in local. Hoping the vagabond pilot makes a mistake is how you catch a vagabond pilot. There's a marvelous thing called a warp disruptor. Try it. -Liang heavy neuts - 24 km range, tech 2 warp disruptor - 24 km range decapped vagabond is anywhere between 15 km and 23.5 km heavy NEUT Battleship speed base 200 m/s vagabond base speed 400+ m/s vagabond goes out of range with its base speed and hits warp, 10 km to go at 200 m/s speed perhaps the battleship needs true sansha disruptor and webifying drones, but its chances to kill a vagabond are still low if the battleship had 2 neuts, MWD and some reduced DPS, he would still have problems killing the vagabond ITT: Hydra learns about MWDs.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:02:00 - [25] ECM Drones - jam him and run away - you'll show him who can disengage at will! __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Aaspa Echolalia.	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:33:00 - [26] Hey, Thanks for all your answers. Many good ideas and i'm sorry i didn't notice the post in the very second page But nobody said anything about pulses lasers......I just want to find a way to kill Vagas..Domi and heavy neuts sound very cool......
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.24 16:41:00 - [27] Errr... The Vaga isn't overpowered, it's very good at hit and run tactics, but not at dps. Many Vaga pilots will be forced to turn off the MWD to do any damage - this you're cue to neut, burn and web.
Xacal	Posted - 2008.04.24 18:53:00 - [28] Vagas are somewhat easy to kill, compared to other nanos, because they usually need to get close do do any respectable dmg, so they end up more vulnerable to webs, but mainly to neuts. As long as you have ACs or pulses, you will be able to hit the vaga if he's hitting you.(**ty DPS and crappy tank is what a vaga has at the end of the day) He will be forced to escape, and that's where the neuts are the only way to stop them(webs are the far second place, since they're a *** to actually get in range of a vaga) Of course, you also need a 24km warp scrambler... Also, keep in mind that although that is not a win, most solo vagas will not be able to kill a good solo ratting BS. Other nano ships can be a much stronger opponents.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.04.24 18:59:00 - [29] my scimitar just nibbled through a vaga's armor before he managed to outrun the warp disruptor. med slots were close to melting though -.- but yeah... i had kinetic damage of all sorts; basically i was after minnie t2 ships in the first place - putting the gist back into logistics
Cikulisuy Amarr Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.04.24 19:15:00 - [30] curse this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost.



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