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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.24 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 24/04/2008 23:29:26
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky There you go again... accusing everyone of being "troll alts".
Can you really not defend yourself, and your own viewpoints without resorting to statistics and accusations?
What if these statistics provide undeniable proof that there are now 6 troll alts in this thread, intentionally posting ludicrous claims, deliberately misinterpreting and slandering people with every post they make?
You, Doonoo Boonoo, Dkorg, Una D, Esmenet and possibly Trathen are PROVEN TO BE TROLL ALTS that sabotage this and every other thread I have made!
Hacking websites is good.
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
PvP is for evil psychopaths.
The reason people kill other people is because they're sadistic little bullies or plain psychopaths that IMO should be locked away.
Here even with links to show the "missing context". If i bother spending the time i can find plenty more like it.
You chose to sign up for CSM, and are one of the most active campaigners so you get whats coming. Imo the worst and most damaging representative of all and saying that has nothing to do with trolling. That you have calmed down a bit to increase your chances in getting into CSM doesnt really change anything.
But continue with your accusations and dare i say blatant lies. You have a good future in politics.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.24 23:31:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 24/04/2008 23:33:47
Originally by: Esmenet more trolling
I've nothing to say to slandering troll alts. Post with your main.
Originally by: Malcanis I'd just like to note that this has been one of the most constructive threads I've seen in this forum for ages.
Originally by: Tai Paktu First of all Ankh, I'm glad you've cooled the rhetoric from some of the pre-CSM threads and I'm also glad thi thread is relatively flame-free.
Before you and your noob alt family turned this to hell.
To be honest, moderators should just delete 90% of the posts after page 3. ---
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.24 23:52:00 -
[153]
I suggest you acquire a thicker skin if you want to try venturing into politics, especially internet forum politics.
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:01:00 -
[154]
Esmenet, why don't you stop attacking Ankh, you've made your point albeit in a wholly inappropriate manner, get over it. If you don't like her don't vote for her vote for some pro hisec suicide ganking candidate instead. Stop trying to distort and misrepresent Ankh's policies so that other people won't vote for her. Anything else negative you post will just be trolling and is not playing a part in constructive debate. This message also applies to other troll alts that seem to be posting here. If you don't like Ankh, don't vote for her but allow other people to make up their own minds based on her policies and not misinformation about her that you are spewing out.
Ankh's policies are designed to make hisec safer like it should be, that's the idea of hisec. Its meant to be a safe place for new players, people can still suicide gank if they wish but the Take Care Party just want the risk shifted so that the ganker has to be more selective about who they gank. If you are hauling 1bn isk in a rigged iteron V on autopilot you probably deserve to be ganked. If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
If you are in lowsec you consent to pvp and that is fine. The Take Care party still want pvp in Eve or it will be boring. We just don't want eve to be like a school playground where the older kids can gang up on the kindergarten kids in their own play area and beat them up.
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Hadoken 1
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:10:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:22:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Ankh does have the interests of the majority of people in Eve at heart. Most candidates are pandering to the whims of the old players ignoring the new players. Without new players Eve wouldn't be economically viable for CCP. Ankh is looking after the new players but her policies will have some positive effects on older pvpers too, which is always being glossed over by her oppostion. Tradeable kill rights will reinvigorate bounty hunting allowing newer players to get their revenge even if there is a huge Skill Point and Ship gulf between the players. It will benefit older players by letting them acquire the killrights from those unable to make any use out of them.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:26:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 00:29:11 Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 00:26:13
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Sure, Hadoken 1.
You're a fresh newbie with zero posting history history and just happen to stroll past this thread to criticize me. Suuuuuure.
Obvious troll alt detected.
That sets the count for today to 7. ---
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:29:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Rufus Britton Esmenet, why don't you stop attacking Ankh, you've made your point albeit in a wholly inappropriate manner, get over it.
Whats inappropriate about referring to things ankh has said many times on this forum? That she suddenly claims its not what she said (like any good politician you never admit to anything)doesnt change it.
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If you don't like her don't vote for her vote for some pro hisec suicide ganking candidate instead.
As long as she is campaigning she has put herself in the spotlight. I'll stop commenting when she withdraws her candidacy or the votes are over.
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Stop trying to distort and misrepresent Ankh's policies so that other people won't vote for her.
Pointing to what she says is not distorting. Its direct quotes, i even provided links to show the "missing context".
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Anything else negative you post will just be trolling and is not playing a part in constructive debate. This message also applies to other troll alts that seem to be posting here. If you don't like Ankh, don't vote for her but allow other people to make up their own minds based on her policies and not misinformation about her that you are spewing out.
Again she put herself in the spotlight. People that think she will be bad for the game can say that as much as they want. Dismissing it as trolling is just a tactic to make her look better.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 00:33:04
Originally by: Esmenet Pointing to what she says is not distorting. Its direct quotes, i even provided links to show the "missing context".
You say I believe HACKING WEBSITES is good.
The websites were not hacked, as debated a thousand times already. It is inappropriate, because the issues have been discussed over and over and OVER and you and your friends repeat themselves again and again and again, deteriorating constructive forum threads in the online equivalent of whack-a-mole.
And when are you or any of your compatriots going to admit that they are troll alts eh? ---
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 00:29:11 Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 00:26:13
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Sure, Hadoken 1.
You're a fresh newbie with zero posting history history and just happen to stroll past this thread to criticize me. Suuuuuure.
Obvious troll alt detected.
That sets the count for today to 7.
Well obviously I'm an alt, good detective work Sherlock . Not an alt of any of the people posting in this thread however . And I like how you do not address the content of my post and just say I'm an alt.
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Talkuth Rel
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:36:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Esmenet Edited by: Esmenet on 24/04/2008 23:29:26
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky There you go again... accusing everyone of being "troll alts".
Can you really not defend yourself, and your own viewpoints without resorting to statistics and accusations?
What if these statistics provide undeniable proof that there are now 6 troll alts in this thread, intentionally posting ludicrous claims, deliberately misinterpreting and slandering people with every post they make?
You, Doonoo Boonoo, Dkorg, Una D, Esmenet and possibly Trathen are PROVEN TO BE TROLL ALTS that sabotage this and every other thread I have made!
Hacking websites is good.
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.
PvP is for evil psychopaths.
The reason people kill other people is because they're sadistic little bullies or plain psychopaths that IMO should be locked away.
Here even with links to show the "missing context". If i bother spending the time i can find plenty more like it.
You chose to sign up for CSM, and are one of the most active campaigners so you get whats coming. Imo the worst and most damaging representative of all and saying that has nothing to do with trolling. That you have calmed down a bit to increase your chances in getting into CSM doesnt really change anything.
But continue with your accusations and dare i say blatant lies. You have a good future in politics.
You see Ankh, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Esmenet here is a broken record. She goes around to every thread you post in and posts the exact same links. She can't form a rational argument or dispute any of the suggestions and ideas you have made for the CSM, so all she has is character attacks. She can repeat and exaggerate these all she likes, but anyone who has been paying attention has already read them and made up their own mind. Meanwhile, Esmenet seems to get a bit angrier or more frustrated each time, and every time she repeats the same post, everyone sees just a little more of what she really is.
Don't waste your time with posters like this, definetely don't let them ruffle your feathers. If they really bother you, you can try reporting them for trolling or derailing the thread or failing to add anything new or constructive, which may or may not result in action, but I wouldn't bother with anything else. If people want to make rational arguments and hold a genuine discussion, go right ahead and debate the issues. But as for your regular "fan club" and the like, just leave them alone and let them be their own worst enemy.
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:39:21
Originally by: Rufus Britton
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Ankh does have the interests of the majority of people in Eve at heart. Most candidates are pandering to the whims of the old players ignoring the new players. Without new players Eve wouldn't be economically viable for CCP. Ankh is looking after the new players but her policies will have some positive effects on older pvpers too, which is always being glossed over by her opposition. Trade able kill rights will reinvigorate bounty hunting allowing newer players to get their revenge even if there is a huge Skill Point and Ship gulf between the players. It will benefit older players by letting them acquire the killrights from those unable to make any use out of them.
She has said multiple times that she is against PvP. I like the ideas of tradeable kill rights a few other ideas, but a majority of her ideas will destroy the concept of highsec non-consensual PvP thus dumbing the game down. New players should not be attracted to this game because it's easier they should be attracted because of it's uniqueness. CCP on many occasions has said this is meant to be a cold and cruel universe, I want it to stay that way.
edit: spelling, again
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:39:21
Originally by: Rufus Britton
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Ankh does have the interests of the majority of people in Eve at heart. Most candidates are pandering to the whims of the old players ignoring the new players. Without new players Eve wouldn't be economically viable for CCP. Ankh is looking after the new players but her policies will have some positive effects on older pvpers too, which is always being glossed over by her opposition. Trade able kill rights will reinvigorate bounty hunting allowing newer players to get their revenge even if there is a huge Skill Point and Ship gulf between the players. It will benefit older players by letting them acquire the killrights from those unable to make any use out of them.
She has said multiple times that she is against PvP. I like the ideas of tradeable kill rights a few other ideas, but a majority of her ideas will destroy the concept of highsec non-consensual PvP thus dumbing the game down. New players should not be attracted to this game because it's easier they should be attracted because of it's uniqueness. CCP on many occasions has said this is meant to be a cold and cruel universe, I want it to stay that way.
edit: spelling, again
She is against participating in pvp herself and does not like non consensual pvp in hisec and wants to lower the amount that goes on there whilst boosting pvp in lowsec with tradeable killrights. She is not against other people engaging in consensual pvp, if you venture into lowsec, you are consenting to pvp.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I suggest you acquire a thicker skin if you want to try venturing into politics, especially internet forum politics.
Do you really think a handful of obvious trolls get through the skin of a forum admin and UO freeshard operator with years of experience?
I don't think so. ---
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Talkuth Rel
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Rufus Britton Esmenet, why don't you stop attacking Ankh, you've made your point albeit in a wholly inappropriate manner, get over it.
Whats inappropriate about referring to things ankh has said many times on this forum? That she suddenly claims its not what she said (like any good politician you never admit to anything)doesnt change it.
May I suggest some reading?
Pay particular attention to points 4-7, and 13, as your posts could reasonably fall into any of these categories.
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:49:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Rufus Britton
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:39:21
Originally by: Rufus Britton
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 00:12:42
Originally by: Rufus Britton If on the otherhand you're a month old hauling 10mil which is your life savings, it should not be cost efficient for someone to suicide gank you.
It's not. The sec status loss is more than you might imagine, no one is going to lose some sec status for MAYBE a 5mil profit unless it's just for fun. I think Esmenet brings up some good points with Ankh's postings. Ankh believes all gankers should be locked away? She doesn't have the good of the majority of Eve in mind. She should be more open to opposing opinions.
edit: spelling
Ankh does have the interests of the majority of people in Eve at heart. Most candidates are pandering to the whims of the old players ignoring the new players. Without new players Eve wouldn't be economically viable for CCP. Ankh is looking after the new players but her policies will have some positive effects on older pvpers too, which is always being glossed over by her opposition. Trade able kill rights will reinvigorate bounty hunting allowing newer players to get their revenge even if there is a huge Skill Point and Ship gulf between the players. It will benefit older players by letting them acquire the killrights from those unable to make any use out of them.
She has said multiple times that she is against PvP. I like the ideas of tradeable kill rights a few other ideas, but a majority of her ideas will destroy the concept of highsec non-consensual PvP thus dumbing the game down. New players should not be attracted to this game because it's easier they should be attracted because of it's uniqueness. CCP on many occasions has said this is meant to be a cold and cruel universe, I want it to stay that way.
edit: spelling, again
She is against participating in pvp herself and does not like non consensual pvp in hisec and wants to lower the amount that goes on there whilst boosting pvp in lowsec with tradeable killrights. She is not against other people engaging in consensual pvp, if you venture into lowsec, you are consenting to pvp.
When you UNDOCK you are consenting to PvP, I believe there is a Crumplecorn signature for this situation... And why would we elect someone that helps dictate the way CCP changes the game if she has said herself that she has no experience as the attacking side in PvP? This game is mostly PvP and someone we elect to represent us has no experience in a major part of Eve?
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Talkuth Rel
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 And why would we elect someone that helps dictate the way CCP changes the game if she has said herself that she has no experience as the attacking side in PvP? This game is mostly PvP and someone we elect to represent us has no experience in a major part of Eve?
Because there will be 9 CSM representatives, not 1, and it makes sense to have people who represent all points of view, not just one. There will be plenty of PvP experience within the CSM. No one is saying you have to vote for someone without PvP experience, but there are those of us who would prefer someone of this mindset. How about you vote for your rep of choice and let others choose for theirs, okay?
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rufus Britton on 25/04/2008 01:02:11
Originally by: Hadoken 1
When you UNDOCK you are consenting to PvP, I believe there is a Crumplecorn signature for this situation... And why would we elect someone that helps dictate the way CCP changes the game if she has said herself that she has no experience as the attacking side in PvP? This game is mostly PvP and someone we elect to represent us has no experience in a major part of Eve?
She is running to be elected to represent a large section of eve who don't actively pvp (whilst also improving things for pvpers) and there's nothing wrong with that, she has every right to do so. There are plenty of other candidates who are up for election who can help with the specifics of improving pvp mechanics but Ankh as a candidate aims to advise CCP on how to improve the overall game so that more people benefit. Pvp knowledge is not the be all and end all, you have to have knowledge of how mining works, trading, manufacturing, research, invention. Skills that some of the pure pvp candidates may not have.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:10:00 -
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Going to reply to constructive posts that got buried now. Tai Paktu comes first.
Quote: First of all Ankh, I'm glad you've cooled the rhetoric from some of the pre-CSM threads and I'm also glad this thread is relatively flame-free.
Heh, sorry for the brief interruption of service.
Quote: I'll start by saying that by CCPs admission, EvE is primarily a PvP game that survives and grows from conflict and that I doubt the CSM can shift that direction. But I also don't think that's entirely what you want. I'll agree that mechanics like suicide ganking could use some fixes but as someone who frequents low sec and high sec, there are some mechanics that are fine.
I've engaged in all manner of low sec mischief, from scanning out mission runners to belt piracy and camping gates. I'd like to argue that low sec gate camping is "cowardly." (...) Piracy is a profession to some, as is mining or missioning.
You are right. It's all about optimal strategy, and sticking to the gate happens to be that strategy for piracy. So it's not that bad.
Quote: I've also recently engaged in the more contentious of PvP topics, high sec "piracy" or "griefing," as some might call it. I mined in my first few months and must admit to being able to fly a Hulk. I had my jetcan flipped many times. I lost ore sometimes and other times I ended up with a frigte or hauler killmail. Some of those times my success was a part of working with my corp and sometimes it was just me. These days I flip cans on occassion.
Why do I do it? Mostly because I want my opponent to steal it back, so I can kill his drones, take his Hulk to structure and ransom him. (...)
Interesting and I appreciate your clarification. However, I still wonder why you do not take the other player into consideration (besides that notable exception, of course). Players can spend a lot of time and efforts in acquiring and fitting their little virtual spaceships, and are obviously hurt when something they worked hard for gets destroyed. Why this lack of empathy, as I call it? I can think of various reasons here (not saying they apply to you):
* It's not real, so people are not really hurt. * They're faceless strangers, so why care for them? * Eve is a PVP game and by playing you consent to being blown up and such, so they shouldn't complain if that happens to them. * It's exciting, adrenaline, targets, woot! * Easy pickings, they should properly defend themselves or else they deserve to be pillaged!
Quote: I also engage in high security war decs. My corp has grown in the last week to about 20 people. (...) We enjoy the challenge, the hunt, the fight and the kill and we take the losses in stride. I, personally, do not smack. Witty banter with the targets? Yes. Can that sometimes be construed as smack. Yes. "Smack" can also be used as a weapon in EvE. Pysch warfare has a part to play, nothing malicious like hurting feelings and making someone quit, but annoying them to the end that they make a mistake? Oh, yes...
No problem with this, I think this type of PVP is totally acceptable and should either not be interfered with or be improved upon.
Quote: I would also be fully in favour of transferable kill rights. I do what I do because I love the fights. When I have to kill a hauler instead of a cruiser in my frigate, it makes me a sad little pie. I would relish in the knowledge that a high ranking and infamous bounty hunter had bought my killrights and could, even know, be stalking me as I moved from system to system. Hunter becoming the hunted and all would give me an insane rush.
I've been on both sides of PvP and it is inherent and critical for EvE to continue. I love it and I love this game. I think you've got some good intentions and I applaud you for trying to represent the players who are often mocked and ignored. But keep in mind that for some of us PvP is EvE and that PvP has many faces.
I won't forget that.
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:13:00 -
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All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
I do have SOME experience as stated earlier in the thread.
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
I do have SOME experience as stated earlier in the thread.
Not going to repeat myself.
In this thread: http://eve-search.com/thread/728922/page/2#41 you say you have no experience in PvP. Being on the receiving end while doing PvE doesn't count.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
I do have SOME experience as stated earlier in the thread.
Not going to repeat myself.
In this thread: http://eve-search.com/thread/728922/page/2#41 you say you have no experience in PvP. Being on the receiving end while doing PvE doesn't count.
That thread is outdated. And I wasn't doing PVE, if only you would spend some time reading this thread. ---
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Rufus Britton
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
Pvp is just one part of gameplay in Eve. Are you really going to argue that even if Ankh were the most knowledgeable person in Eve about mining, trading, maufacturing, research and invention that she should not be elected for her lack of experience in pvp? In real life governments politicians usually have a rough broad knowledge and specialise in one or two areas. It should be the same in CSM. Its a certainty that pvp specialists will be elected, there will be enough to advise CCP on gameplay mechanics without Ankh's input. But will these pvpers have the knowledge in the other areas that Ankh has? I doubt it.
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
I do have SOME experience as stated earlier in the thread.
Not going to repeat myself.
In this thread: http://eve-search.com/thread/728922/page/2#41 you say you have no experience in PvP. Being on the receiving end while doing PvE doesn't count.
That thread is outdated. And I wasn't doing PVE, if only you would spend some time reading this thread.
Could you link me to this post? I seem to have missed it.
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Talkuth Rel
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
A candidate with focus and experience in one area of game play will be able to provide input on how a proposed idea will affect that area of gameplay. Honestly, the CSM isn't going to sit down and hold a discussion like "PvP, is it good or bad?" They are going to have various specific ideas, either their own or those generated from the playerbase, and will discuss how those ideas affect various aspects of gameplay. Those with PvP experience will offer their opinions on the effects on PvP. Those who represent the interests of non-PvPers will offer their opinion on how it affects their experience. The entire council will discuss and decide if the overall effect is positive or negative. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? Or do you really prefer that a major gorup of players have no representation on the CSM? Would you have them silenced just because you don't agree with them?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Hadoken 1 All candidates will discuss all issues. A candidate that does not have some experience with all major game play types should frankly not be elected. This also goes with any pure PvPers that are attempting to run for CSM.
I do have SOME experience as stated earlier in the thread.
Not going to repeat myself.
In this thread: http://eve-search.com/thread/728922/page/2#41 you say you have no experience in PvP. Being on the receiving end while doing PvE doesn't count.
That thread is outdated. And I wasn't doing PVE, if only you would spend some time reading this thread.
Could you link me to this post? I seem to have missed it.
I'll save you the time. I anticipated this attack, thus I spent some time in deep 0.0, to talk to people and hear their opinions on issues like POS warfare, blobbing, alliance warfare, titans, and a whole range of other issues.
Obviously I was shot at at nearly every gate and most of the time when I left stations. I ended up in quite a busy area with about 90 people in local, from where I'd talk to people. Don't believe that I went to 0.0 lately? I brought a sliver of bloodraider reputation back as a souvenir to prove it, and left a jumpclone and cruiser behind.
Being chased around by angry gate guards was fun and exciting, I suppose. Contrary to my expectations, I did not lose a single ship, but I took good care when I fitted it. ---
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hadoken 1 Then no, it doesn't count. You have no real experience attacking. You will not represent the majority of Eve.
I'd be willing to bet that this isn't true - considering how many people spend most or all of their time in high-sec, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that 50% or more of EVE has never fired a shot in offense. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 01:35:42
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Then no, it doesn't count. You have no real experience attacking. You will not represent the majority of Eve.
How much of the population remains in high-sec exactly? 80%? Put a sock in it.
By the way, your character is not even old enough to vote. Who are you to lecture me? At least I have the decency of not hiding behind alts, even if my opinions are unpopular with some people. ---
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Hadoken 1
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hadoken 1 on 25/04/2008 01:55:49
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 25/04/2008 01:35:42
Originally by: Hadoken 1 Then no, it doesn't count. You have no real experience attacking. You will not represent the majority of Eve.
How much of the population remains in high-sec exactly? 80%? Put a sock in it.
By the way, your character is not even old enough to vote. Who are you to lecture me? At least I have the decency of not hiding behind alts, even if my opinions are unpopular with some people.
I am willing to bet that at least 29% (Assuming lowsec and nullsec residents have PvPed, would put the total over 50%) of those highsec dwellers have PvPed before in their life, but however since those numbers have not come out I will stay silent on that point. However, we can both agree that a vast amount have PvPed and thus you will not represent a big portion of Eve, whether above 50% or below. Again with the personal attacks I have yet to attack you with something which is unrelated to the argument, such as character age or being an alt.
edit: typos
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