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Rach NiKunni	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:12:00 - [1] It would be nice if everyone involved on a kill got a copy of the killmail in their combat log. I like to post my kills but in large fleets it's chaotic and you often never find out who (or even which corp/alliance) actually got the kills. If it creates performance issues then I suggest making it a very low priority process. I'd rather have delays in having a killmail delivered to my combat log than to have to toss around after an op trying to find out where people posted the kills.
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:10:00 - [2] I don't like having to ask around to find out who got the mail. So I agree here, even if the kill mails don't get sent out till the next downtime.
annab Amarr Vermin. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:56:00 - [3] 100% agree with this. A copy of a kill would be very nice even it is delayed. Some times we have four or five corps in a gang finding out who got what kills. This can take more time than the op itself. I would hate to see how alliance ops would work out kills without an alliance killboard.
Darth Felin	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:08:00 - [4] Bad idea, There are a big difference in a lag if server will try to send 1 to 20-30 kms.
Koyama Ise Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:12:00 - [5] I agree with the op -------- Yes, I know I'm an alt, what are you going to do about it?
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:43:00 - [6] Edited by: Mavolio on 24/04/2008 13:43:00 Maybe if sending a KM to all the extra people will cause lag just make it send a mail to every 1 else telling them who got the kill. Tho it would also be good if CCP started their own kill board, no more comments about how a corp/alliance only posts kills and not a loss
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught	Posted - 2008.05.04 04:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Mavolio Edited by: Mavolio on 24/04/2008 13:43:00 Maybe if sending a KM to all the extra people will cause lag just make it send a mail to every 1 else telling them who got the kill. That would probably cause about the same level of lag as sending it to everyone. But if CCP sets up the killmail system so that it doesn't send them out until the server load is below a certain threshold the lag won't be an issue. Worst case, the killmail isn't sent out till the next downtime. So who would object to having the km delayed till the next downtime if it means that everyone will get it ? I've also noticed that the max size of Eve mails is smaller than the size of killmails, meaning we have to transfer them via an out of game method if we want the fitting information.
Linda Mei	Posted - 2008.05.04 04:57:00 - [8] /signed
Doc Iridium Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.04 05:03:00 - [9] Bah, don't send killmails ingame to anyone, store them offline in the Account management section. Every DT send an evemail detailing how many new killmails you appear on for the previous 24 hours.

CCP Chronotis C C P	Posted - 2008.05.04 05:22:00 - [10] It was actually part of the original killmail Mk 1.5 project to do this but since it was such a massive overhaul of the system we wanted to phase the system in to make sure it is robust enough first. The idea is still that we would run a downtime job to update all participants combat logs for the last 24 hours. It is still on our wishlist to do this and assuming PrismX, Laurelle or Valar don't have any issues with the additional downtime proc on their precioussss, will happen eventually


Mike Rowlings Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.04 05:54:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Chronotis It was actually part of the original killmail Mk 1.5 project to do this but since it was such a massive overhaul of the system we wanted to phase the system in to make sure it is robust enough first. The idea is still that we would run a downtime job to update all participants combat logs for the last 24 hours. It is still on our wishlist to do this and assuming PrismX, Laurelle or Valar don't have any issues with the additional downtime proc on their precioussss, will happen eventually Chronotis, why didn't you guys actually come up with an in-game integrated players rankings/killboard design instead of Kill Mails?
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.04 08:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Mike Rowlings Chronotis, why didn't you guys actually come up with an in-game integrated players rankings/killboard design instead of Kill Mails? Because then we wouldn't be able to have fake killmail dramabombs on CAOD. Fog of war makes real, reliable intelligence more valuable. On a more serious note, there are several reasons to not do this. Many corporations have nonpublic killboards for a reason. Why? Intel. Take a look at a killboard, you can learn a lot about a player, his favorite ships, fittings, hunting grounds, etc. You can get partial member lists, and those lists will contain all of the major PvP threats the corp can field. In short, there is a ton of info awaiting harvest on killboards, and automating them makes this available to everyone, all the time.

CCP Chronotis C C P	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Mike Rowlings Chronotis, why didn't you guys actually come up with an in-game integrated players rankings/killboard design instead of Kill Mails? It is up to the involved parties to report that data. We will not force people into ELO rankings systems or publicise such data which is private. Wars are rarely won by those who killed the most and neither should it be our place to take away the mystery and uncertainty behind political intrigue, biased reporting or intelligence gathering by the many sides in a war. We of course already analyse the combat logs for our own use

Gantor Tesla	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:06:00 - [14] How about giving us soem of that data :) Nothing big. How about a "Total ships destroyed to date" and "Total hips destroyed this month" "Total people podded this week" etc..., nothing revealing, just soem fun general statistics. How about "Total people added to the biomass que"
Mike Rowlings Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:24:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Chronotis It is up to the involved parties to report that data. We will not force people into ELO rankings systems or publicise such data which is private. Wars are rarely won by those who killed the most and neither should it be our place to take away the mystery and uncertainty behind political intrigue, biased reporting or intelligence gathering by the many sides in a war. We of course already analyse the combat logs for our own use You make a whole lot of sense there (as does Jurgen Cartis in his post.) /me has learned a lot from that and thanks you. Since the questions raised by the OP have been answered already I think I can raise another question. Why not create an integrated killboard system, made private and available only to corps and alliances? Alliances and corps already do this, only they rely on external websites and on all of its members posting their KMs. Now, as you all know, setting up a website with server-side scripting and some sort of RDB support costs RL money and require technical skills to set up and maintain. On the other hand, corp/alliance members need to manually post their KMs, which doesn't always happen. An integrated Killboard system would end this separation between the game and external killboard sites (i'm all up for immersion), as well as ensuring kills/losses data is consistent by ending some people deliberatly not posting, forgetting to post or faking their KMs. You could even add the ability to allow for corps/alliances to make that data public, or partially so based on standings, which they could use as a form of advertising (merc corps would love this.) And, of course, this would be a great opportunity for CONCORD (cough CCP cough) to charge a monthly fee. So, really, you'd just be moving the now external and user-run killboards into EVE and give it a user-definable scope (private; public; semi-public.)
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:26:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Chronotis It was actually part of the original killmail Mk 1.5 project to do this but since it was such a massive overhaul of the system we wanted to phase the system in to make sure it is robust enough first. The idea is still that we would run a downtime job to update all participants combat logs for the last 24 hours. It is still on our wishlist to do this and assuming PrismX, Laurelle or Valar don't have any issues with the additional downtime proc on their precioussss, will happen eventually /me signs this idea. Make it so. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
WAuter	Posted - 2008.06.16 15:35:00 - [17] Plz make an ingame kb for militias only.. Thank you!
Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.03 03:42:00 - [18] I got my first battleship kill last night. But I didn't get the killmail, and I wasn't the only person asking for it in fleet and militia chat. It still hasn't been posted to the killboard, so I'm guessing that whoever got it either doesn't know or doesn't care about KMs. Even if we find out who got the mail, I don't know of any way to get them to post it. So currently the biggest thing I'm on the killmail for is killing a stupidly fitted Drake. I have a feeling that this will be happening a lot in FW.
Ekrid	Posted - 2008.07.03 10:09:00 - [19] /me doesnt need a KM to know the size of my own E-peen. /me just likes watching the enemy explode.
Goti Evans	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:56:00 - [20] well you could ask a Direcctor or CEO to fish it out of the Corp Kill Log asumining it was a one corp OP

Zikka Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.07.03 17:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Goti Evans well you could ask a Direcctor or CEO to fish it out of the Corp Kill Log asumining it was a one corp OP That's what I was about to say. Even if its an alliance op normally we only have to check a couple of corp kill logs and its found.
Hesod Adee Militants of Xen	Posted - 2008.07.04 00:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Goti Evans well you could ask a Direcctor or CEO to fish it out of the Corp Kill Log asumining it was a one corp OP Nope, it was a factional warfare OP. Meaning lots of people from the NPC corp.
Joe Starbreaker AnTi.	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:02:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Mike Rowlings Chronotis, why didn't you guys actually come up with an in-game integrated players rankings/killboard design instead of Kill Mails? It is up to the involved parties to report that data. We will not force people into ELO rankings systems or publicise such data which is private. Wars are rarely won by those who killed the most and neither should it be our place to take away the mystery and uncertainty behind political intrigue, biased reporting or intelligence gathering by the many sides in a war. We of course already analyse the combat logs for our own use How about letting us opt-in to some kind of killboard, whether run by CCP or run privately, that can automatically access all of our kills. That way we could sign up with our API key or something, and never have to worry about poasting the mails. It should include all kills that we were involved in, not just the "final blow" ones, of course.
Cindy Swallows	Posted - 2008.07.04 20:49:00 - [24] if its a group of people, then send it all only to the fc
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2008.07.04 21:47:00 - [25] I miss my flashing mailbox :/
Kinkie Yuuki	Posted - 2008.07.04 23:39:00 - [26] No then I couldn't steal the loot after I got a km and say it was only crap.
Jade Mitch The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.05 00:56:00 - [27] Edited by: Jade Mitch on 05/07/2008 02:43:49 How about a simple "Kills/Deaths" list on a "Combat History" tab in every character's info window? For example: --------------------------------------- \| <Your info window> \| \|___ __________ _____ ________________ \|Bio\|Description\|Notes\|Combat History \|------------------------- \| Kills \| ------------------------------------- \| <other character's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- \| <other character's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- \| <other character's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- \| Deaths \| ------------------------------------- \| By: <other charater's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- \| By: <other charater's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- \| By: <other charater's name> \| <date> <time> \| In: <system name> \| ------------------------------------- _______________________________________
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.05 02:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Originally by: Mike Rowlings Chronotis, why didn't you guys actually come up with an in-game integrated players rankings/killboard design instead of Kill Mails? Because then we wouldn't be able to have fake killmail dramabombs on CAOD. Fog of war makes real, reliable intelligence more valuable. On a more serious note, there are several reasons to not do this. Many corporations have nonpublic killboards for a reason. Why? Intel. Take a look at a killboard, you can learn a lot about a player, his favorite ships, fittings, hunting grounds, etc. You can get partial member lists, and those lists will contain all of the major PvP threats the corp can field. In short, there is a ton of info awaiting harvest on killboards, and automating them makes this available to everyone, all the time. SNORT TBFH about 80-90% of the killmails in the game eventually wind up on battleclinic anyway. A quick search there gets you all this information just fine. Failing that a quick google on a pilot's name will yield enough information to choke a horse. "Secured" private killboards don't serve any real purpose tbfh unless both parties involved in every kill are posting to a private board.
Taram Caldar Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.05 02:43:00 - [29] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 05/07/2008 02:44:21 Originally by: Jade Mitch Edited by: Jade Mitch on 05/07/2008 02:41:09 Edited by: Jade Mitch on 05/07/2008 02:40:46 Edited by: Jade Mitch on 05/07/2008 00:58:51 How about a simple "Kills/Deaths" list on a "Combat History" tab in every character's info window? CCP already answered this: Because unless he (or the people who killed him) makes it public it's none of your f'n business as far as CCP is concerned :) That said I'm all for public killboard stats EVE-Wide but I can see both sides of the arguement.
Jade Mitch The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.05 02:48:00 - [30] Edited by: Jade Mitch on 05/07/2008 03:19:41 Then put a check box in the "Esc" window under General Settings. For example: O "Share Combat History in information window."



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