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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:39:00 -
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I made a post earlier tonight about suicide ganking to clear the bots out of my home system. I have been googling all night, and I have trained up an alt that had unused skill points to fly a brutix, but she only has like 216 dps and that doesn't seem like enough to suicide gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
Can someone please give me a brutix fit that is pretty much guaranteed to pop any hulk in 0.9?
All I need is the fit. I can figure out skills from there. |

Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:52:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:I made a post earlier tonight about suicide ganking to clear the bots out of my home system. I have been googling all night, and I have trained up an alt that had unused skill points to fly a brutix, but she only has like 216 dps and that doesn't seem like enough to suicide gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
Can someone please give me a brutix fit that is pretty much guaranteed to pop any hulk in 0.9?
All I need is the fit. I can figure out skills from there.
Post a Screenshot of your fit. No point telling us your DPS if we don't know your fit. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:56:00 -
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HIGH 7 x Heavy Neutron Blaster I
MEDIUM 2 x Tracking Computer I 2 x Target Painter I
LOW 5 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
AMMO Federation Antimatter Charge M
I'm willing to dedicate as much training as needed to this alt to get rid of the bots in my system. After moocho googling just don't know what to do. I'll be honest, I wanna be spoon fed on this. |

CatreX Nolen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:59:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php -> Search for Catalyst. I can't provide with you with a direct link, as I'm at school.
"Suicide gank 700 dps" or something along those lines |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:01:00 -
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CatreX Nolen wrote:http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php -> Search for Catalyst. I can't provide with you with a direct link, as I'm at school.
See thats the problem, I'm getting a ton of conflicting information. In my first post someone told me there is no way a catalyst could successfully gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
One guy I found was in a hulk with two invulnerability fields II's and a heat dissipation module.
I just want wanna blow up some bots, someone with experience please hrelp! |

CatreX Nolen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:02:00 -
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Right... 0.9 Uhm. That sounds interesting. you'll have to wait for someone else... Maybe a BC? No clue. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:05:00 -
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CatreX Nolen wrote:Right... 0.9 Uhm. That sounds interesting. you'll have to wait for someone else... Maybe a BC? No clue.
Yeah I have pretty much accepted the fact I'm gunna have to sacrifice a brutix for each kill, but the first one I just got fitted only has like 216 dps. I don't know much about Eve, but I think I know enough to know that 216 DPS isn't gunna kill a hulk in 0.9. |

ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
584
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:08:00 -
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Just train more skills, but even then im not sure how a well skilled brutix will do in a 0.9 system Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:11:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Just train more skills, but even then im not sure how a well skilled brutix will do in a 0.9 system
And therein lies my problem.
I got a new respect for gankers. This stuff ain't easy. |

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
91
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:23:00 -
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Just get a couple of friends to help you out. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

Orion GUardian
120
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:26:00 -
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You ARE aware of the fact that DPS is kind of pointless for suicide gankinga nd you need something called ALPHA ie volley dmg?
YOu need to put out as much damage in the first volley. Its totally useless to have 700 DPS, if you only apply 1-2 volleys. a High Alpha ship can deal a few thousand points of dmg in one volley but having far lower DPS (because of low Rate of Fire)
So get the Blasters with most dmg per volley (no idea which). |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:37:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:You ARE aware of the fact that DPS is kind of pointless for suicide gankinga nd you need something called ALPHA ie volley dmg?
YOu need to put out as much damage in the first volley. Its totally useless to have 700 DPS, if you only apply 1-2 volleys. a High Alpha ship can deal a few thousand points of dmg in one volley but having far lower DPS (because of low Rate of Fire)
So get the Blasters with most dmg per volley (no idea which).
No, I didn't know that. Thats why I'm here asking. If you want me to tell you which asteroid to mine for the most profit I'm your man. If you wanna know how much it costs to research a small antimatter charge BPO in a mobile laboratory to M.E. 100 I gotcha, if you want me to tell you how to make money trading in Jita, I'm there for you. I am 100% carebear.
Seriously, apparently I gotta pull out Star Wars, see I'm Luke, and you're Darth Vader. I just don't know how to be evil. You gotta make it happen dark side style!
I get that alpha is first strike damage, but I have no idea what ships or mods put out more damage on their first shots then other.
I DONT PEW PEW!
TEACH MEH! |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:45:00 -
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Well isn't this a peach, make a post on here about making ganking harder and 5000 people come posting and crying. Ask how to gank and its a ghost town.
Irony. |

CatreX Nolen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:49:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:You ARE aware of the fact that DPS is kind of pointless for suicide gankinga nd you need something called ALPHA ie volley dmg?
YOu need to put out as much damage in the first volley. Its totally useless to have 700 DPS, if you only apply 1-2 volleys. a High Alpha ship can deal a few thousand points of dmg in one volley but having far lower DPS (because of low Rate of Fire)
So get the Blasters with most dmg per volley (no idea which).
T2 Ions/neutrons? (Correct me if wrong) |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 09:52:00 -
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CatreX Nolen wrote:Orion GUardian wrote:You ARE aware of the fact that DPS is kind of pointless for suicide gankinga nd you need something called ALPHA ie volley dmg?
YOu need to put out as much damage in the first volley. Its totally useless to have 700 DPS, if you only apply 1-2 volleys. a High Alpha ship can deal a few thousand points of dmg in one volley but having far lower DPS (because of low Rate of Fire)
So get the Blasters with most dmg per volley (no idea which). T2 Ions/neutrons? (Correct me if wrong)
That still doesn't help me. First off please know that I'm truly not trying to be a d-bag here. I know that T2 is better than T1 and I'll train for it if I have to.
What I can't seem to find an answer to are the following two questions.....
#1 What ship and fit do I need to solo gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
#2 What ships with what fit would me and my brother need to team gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
Those are the two big questions I'm looking for answers to.
The two alts I've made are fresh. I can train for anything at this point. I just need to know what to train for and what to buy. I'm willing to dump a lot of cash into this. It'll be worth it to be able to log in and go mine in some belt with some fat juicy roids again. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2248
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:01:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:#1 What ship and fit do I need to solo gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
#2 What ships with what fit would me and my brother need to team gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
Those are the two big questions I'm looking for answers to.
If you're looking to do 0.9 ganking, your best bet is to alpha the hulks. You need to scan them to determine how well they are tanked - if you don't, you will most likely flub. Solo ganking in an 0.9 with low-SP alts is not something I'd advise unless you're going after pods in Jita with arty thrashers. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:#1 What ship and fit do I need to solo gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
#2 What ships with what fit would me and my brother need to team gank a tanked hulk in 0.9.
Those are the two big questions I'm looking for answers to. If you're looking to do 0.9 ganking, your best bet is to alpha the hulks. You need to scan them to determine how well they are tanked - if you don't, you will most likely flub. Solo ganking in an 0.9 with low-SP alts is not something I'd advise unless you're going after pods in Jita with arty thrashers.
I understand what you said, and I am more than willing to train the alts for whatever I have too. My questions still haven't been answered though.
Something about killing pods in Jita with arty thrashers....... I don't want to kill pods in Jita. I want to kill tanked hulks in 0.9.
On topic answers please? |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
16
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:27:00 -
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Tornado. Haven't I said this already? Post with your monkey. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:30:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Tornado. Haven't I said this already?
What guns and mods?
Is that for solo gank or for team gank with my brother? |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
16
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:36:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Grumpymunky wrote:Tornado. Haven't I said this already? What guns and mods? Is that for solo gank or for team gank with my brother?
1400 artillery in the highs gyros in the lows common sense in the mids
1 to alpha an untanked hulk, 2 for almost any other hulk.
There isn't really a cheap option for 0.9 space, unless you have 4 or 5 characters to throw at them at once.
If you're not using t2 guns, always use faction ammo for a gankship, you won't be using much of it anyway. Post with your monkey. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2248
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:39:00 -
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okay
#1 - solo ganking a tanked hulk in a 0.9 is a pain in the ass, you won't get enough volleys off to pop it. it's not easy, and it's not worth experimenting with until you learn the ropes - perhaps you can try ganking macks in 0.6/0.7 sec systems?
#2 - thoraxes will do the trick. if they're buffer tanked to hell, you need alpha, so get some cheap tornadoes. don't insure your ships, you won't get a payout. also, scan scan scan and if you don't think you will overcome a target's tank, don't bother trying.
get faction ammo, use gunnery hardwirings if you can afford them (you will hit -5, so get used to warping out fast when your target's down) and consider using capacitor boosters if you're using blasters - concord will instaneut you, so getting a burst of cap might let you get the last volleys off to kill your targets.
if the hulks' pods stick around in the belt and stay within range of asteroids/ice when you bump them, use the report bot function. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:40:00 -
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It will be quite hard to suicide a TANKED hulk solo, as with two invuls and heat dissipation it will be up to 10k EHP. As above guy said Tornado will be ship of your coice, but im not sure if you can field 5k alpha, and i doubt you will be able to fire a second round in 0.9 because of quick concord interferance.
Probably a skilled Typhoon will do the job, or you think of somthing like smartbombing. As i have no idea about smartbombing, and the Typhoon is a minnie ship, my thoughts might not help much further. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:40:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Grumpymunky wrote:Tornado. Haven't I said this already? What guns and mods? Is that for solo gank or for team gank with my brother? 1400 artillery in the highs gyros in the lows common sense in the mids 1 to alpha an untanked hulk, 2 for almost any other hulk. There isn't really a cheap option for 0.9 space, unless you have 4 or 5 characters to throw at them at once. If you're not using t2 guns, always use faction ammo for a gankship, you won't be using much of it anyway. Edit: t2 damage mods for the lowslots are an easy train, and really not too expensive for a gankship.
Ok Gotcha. Just out of curiousity we do have 4 accounts. Whats the cheap way with 4 toons?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2248
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:42:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Whats the cheap way with 4 toons?
Thoraxes for particularly well-tanked hulks, catalysts for anything else. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.03.01 10:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Whats the cheap way with 4 toons?
Thoraxes for particularly well-tanked hulks, catalysts for anything else.
I knew I needed a goon =P
I actually have a heavily researched thorax BPO. Me and bro could field 4 thoraxes easy. Maybe we'll try that first. However Grumpymunky your advice has not gone unheard. I'm training for tornadoes as well.
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Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:25:00 -
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Ahrieman
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
65
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:41:00 -
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I'm not sure how effective thoraxes will be for tanked hulk ganking in 0.9 as I haven't tried it. I always go with alpha especially in 0.9 where concord jams you before you blink. Sig tanking is the new black |

Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
42
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:47:00 -
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OK mate, here's what you're after :)
Concord response time in a 0.9 is pretty much instant. If you're really lucky you might get two rounds off in a 'rax, but your best bet is alpha damage. For a low-skilled player the best and quickest boat to get into for this is unquestionably the Tornado.
Here's a cheap Tornado fit.
[Tornado, Cheap Suicide Ganker] Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I
Tracking Computer I Sensor Booster I, Scan Resolution Passive Targeter I Target Painter I Warp Disruptor I
1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L 1400mm Gallium Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
The midslots are to taste, but I've added the main 5 you will need. The Passive Targeter prevents your target from being redboxed until he's pointed, which is useful if he's aligned but not paying full attention. If your targets really are AFK bots, you can dump the sensor booster/PT for more tracking.
The training plan just to fit & fly this boat is:
Minmatar Frigate IV Minmatar Cruiser III Battlecruisers III Target Painting I Propulsion Jamming I Long Range Targeting I Targeting I Trajectory Analysis I Small Projectile Turret III Medium Projectile Turret III Large Projectile Turret I Spaceship Command III Gunnery V Engineering V Electronics II Weapon Upgrades V Advanced Weapon Upgrades III
(Science II & Cybernetics I for cheap implants: AX-1, CX-1, LX-1)
This will take around three weeks. But don't even bother trying a gank before you've also done:
Surgical Strike IV Trajectory Analysis IV Motion Prediction IV Sharpshooter IV Large Projectile Turret III
- which will take another 18-19 days.
You will now have a boat that on paper does 8,500 alpha damage and can put 80-90% of that hurt onto a stationary Hulk.
Assuming you haven't any regard for isk in this matter, 4 (and 3 with better skills) of these will pretty much guarantee to alpha any non-faction fitted Hulk (the best T2 tanked Hulk has about 29k EHP against Republic Fleet EMP ammo, which is what you should use).
Since you won't get any insurance, you're looking at blowing about 62m per Tornado, with perhaps a small return if some of the arties drop (800k each). The faction ammo isnt cheap but you only need 8 rounds per ship per gank :)
Since you're a self-confessed bear, you might want to consider buying BPO's for the Tornado and 1400mm Howitzer Artillery, assuming this is a going to be a long-running project.. The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:43:00 -
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Also if you've got money to burn (which I'm assuming you do) prehaps spring for m2/3 gyros, at least at first and especially if you give things a try before you get all the skills worked up. They're often about the same price as the I's and I'd think overkill is better than no kill.
If you use multiple ships, is it best for everyone to fire, or to have 1 ship try to do the job and just have the other(s) on hand in case the first fails? Does CONCORD react entirely too quickly to try to be cheap and save the potentially extra ships, or do most bots spam warp and you'd risk them getting away trying to re-point them? |

Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:31:00 -
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Sounds like something perfect to be tested on Sisi. For bonus points, in ~30minutes you can participate in the Mass Test and earn 2mil SP to be able use a Tornado on there this week. And they only just mirrored the characters from TQ as of a few days ago, so you'll basically have your characters as they are now, rather than as if you'd not been training for the last ~3months.
And yeah, many meta1-4 mods can be found cheaper than meta0, especially with buy orders. |

Silent Response
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:25:00 -
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The idea to test everything on Sisi is a great one. Since you will most likely be using two ships, the second one probably does not have to be an expensive Tornado. A Thorax, or hopefully a Catalyst will do and keep it cheap.
Good luck. |

bubble trout
Terra Corporation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:25:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=64645 |

Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
39
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:30:00 -
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Lots of bad advice so far.
Here is what you need to know for sucide ganking a hulk in 0.9
You'll be getting 2 vollies. That's it.
A hulk can posibly tank over 20k.
Use alt with passive targeter and ship scanner is something that looks like np. Maybe a mining frig or cruiser.
Plan on hitting them with friends. This is not a one man job. With that said BC's are a bad choice for this since it will cost you more for 3 bc's then one hulk and yes it could take three of them to pull this off.
Better plan is use destroyers. They are cheap! Bring lots of friends. Six should handle most hulks. Alpha together and it will cost you under 10mil to get em down. Thrasher is a good choice for this. Get use to pluging in thier fits before thrashers all land and alpha as one. See how many you need for every so many health in any give sec. Chose dmg type based on target if you use a ship that has the choice.
If it has orca support to rep it then it's probly not worth the attempt to kill.
It is posible to take down easier targets solo with a destroyer. One mining barge in a 0.7 with a blaster catalyst is about as much as you'll want to deal with solo.
Good luck!  |
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