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Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 06:47:00 - [1] this is to supplement my ongoing petition i would like anyone/everyone to post about known issues we have with autopilot, even if someone else has already posted about it i need as many people who have had this problem as me to post about it so the gm's and devs will know its real and want to fix it i lost a charon last week, i spent hours loading it up, laid in a route from motsu to arnola, set autopilot to "prefer safe", and let her go... there IS an all-safe (no red systems) route, it is around 33 jumps and i'd been travelling it for at least a day or two prior to this trip what makes this trip special is that when i clicked autopilot to safe, closed the starmap, then set my destination to arnola, i did not know that the autopilot failed to plot the "prefer safe" course, but instead remained on default and plotted the "prefer short" course... i looked at the first few dots of the systems and they were all green, and knowing that i had set the autopilot to safe, i was satisfied that everything was in order, engaged autopilot, alt tabbed to a different character... a few minutes later i heard explosions and firing and alt tabbed back to find myself in crieliere (not on the safe route) being pwned, i panicked and close the program immediately but if course that did me no good, awhile later when i logged back on, i saw my pod warping back to the scene of my charon's demise, and no sooner did i finish warping back in than i got podded by multiple smartbombs going off... and the next thing i saw was the station where my clone was... i immediately checked my autopilot settings and it was still set to "prefer safe" so far the initial response from the gm's has been that there aren't any records in the logs of obvious server side bugs or issues to cause this but we all know there are many flaws with autopilot that wouldn't necessarily have any indication on the server logs... for example: autopilot randomly shutting off... autopilot laying in and incorrect route (as in my case) autopilot being engaged but failing to activate etc. i managed to duplicate the problem and get a screenie of it that clearly shows that "prefer safe" is selected while the route remains the default "prefer shortest" route... i have uploaded the screenie to the petition... this bug may happen only 1/50 or 1/100 times u use the autopilot, it took me a long time to get it to do it again, by clicking back and forth between the settings lots of times... however things were very laggy for me the night i lost the charon, i had gotten d/c several times, and maybe that had something to do with it, but however it happens, that is for the devs to figure out... if any of you have screenies of autopilot acting up, especially those with "prefer safe" selected while the route shown is clearly not right, please find a way to get them to CCP so they can fix my issue and hopefully reimburse me for my loss... your help here is greatly appreciated and thank you in advance
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.27 06:52:00 - [2] Never ran across that problem. Petition is your friend though good luck trying to get your stuff back as in cases like this 'the logs show nothing'. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Koryvarn The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.04.27 06:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Koryvarn on 27/04/2008 06:54:10 The hint's in the online part of eve-online. The moral of this story is that if you fly afk, you either get suicide ganked, or you end up in low sec and make some pirates day.
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.27 06:59:00 - [4] what about the slider called "safety tolerance" or something? If you set that to 1 then i doubt it will care if it has to go through -1.0
Kylegar Caldari Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:04:00 - [5] This game isnt made to be played AFK...just FYI. -- Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
Retsil Evad Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:06:00 - [6] AFKing in a freighter will result in death. End of story. ============== Office use ONLY ============== BRING BACK EVE TV!!!!!!!
Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Aria Vetronas on 27/04/2008 07:08:54 yes thank you all... notice that i said i'd travelled the route several times before this happened and so i was sure the entire route was safe, if you had been in my position i'm sure you would have used autopilot knowing the whole route was safe, the point is the auto pilot went by the default "shortest" route and not the "safest" which was selected, read the whole OP before you reply next time... if you can't see the issue you are beyond help i don't need to be told the moral of the story, that i already learned the hard way, the OP states what i need, if u don't have it don't reply :)
Dr McTurtle Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Dr McTurtle on 27/04/2008 07:08:18 If you fly a freighter AFK, then you should know the risk of losing it increase significantly and by chosing not to fly it manually you accept that risk. Also, you seriously mean you petition the loss to get the ship back? - You failed to check properly what route you had planned. - You was AFK. - Your freighter got killed by someone who didn't do anything wrong. Those seem to be facts you acknowledge yourself in your post, still you want to claim that this loss was due to no fault of your own?
Diek Ran Amarr Autonums	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Diek Ran on 27/04/2008 07:09:37 Sorry for your freighter. I never had this problem that you are describing. Autopilot is IMO completly implemented on the client side (a macro in a sense). Sorry, please allow me to put a Link here that goes to a thread of mine that got lost. __________________________________ Originally by: Verlyn I know it's my own fault, BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!
Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Aria Vetronas on 27/04/2008 07:15:17 this has nothing to do with the ppl who attacked me, they did what they do best and that is fine... the point is the correct route the autopilot should have generated doesn't take me into any systems below 0.5 security, and i doubt many people could suicide gank a charon... the issue is that the autopilot plotted a route inconsistant with the settings that were selected and as that constitutes a flaw in the game hell yes i am petitioning it... please read carefully ppl this is nuts, yes i know what i should have done differently i do NOT need to be told anymore thank you also, PLEASE do not post unless you have something to aid the GMs to do their jobs, saying "i never had this problem" is unnecessary and as this is something that happens only rarely i'm sure most of you can say that but we will all be glad that you didn't post it so we don't have to search through several pages of this thread to find the important posts, so if u haven't had this problem (or a related one), IGNORE THE THREAD

itasteofcheese	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Aria Vetronas this has nothing to do with the ppl who attacked me, they did what they do best and that is fine... the point is the correct route the autopilot should have generated doesn't take me into any systems below 0.5 security, and i doubt many people could suicide gank a charon... the issue is that the autopilot plotted a route inconsistant with the settings that were selected and as that constitutes a flaw in the game hell yes i am petitioning it... please read carefully ppl this is nuts, yes i know what i should have done differently i do NOT need to be told anymore thank you I think he is reporting a problem more with the autopilot not doing what it was told than his ship loss, try reading
Kahrek Laume Gallente Atropos Asylum	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:20:00 - [12] If you change your autopilot settings after you set your destination your autopilot will not usualy adjust your already planned route (At least it never does for me) you change your autopilot settings first then set destination, could that be what happened? Regards, Kahrek Laume.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/04/2008 07:26:33 Can you give us a screenshot of your autopilot menu settings in map? -- Billion Isk Mission
Black Otis Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Black Otis on 27/04/2008 07:41:41 As 'Shortest Route' is the default setting (poor design decision IMO) and the entire GUI has a nasty habit of resetting to default settings, it could be just that. Everything else gets wonky from time to time. From the overview resetting whenever you undock to the ghost ships to the windows spontaneously changing positions. For most of these things it's just annoying. But in your case it's a definite problem situation. I wonder if other people can induce the same thing. I'll give it a shot when I next log in and see if I can replicate it. Might help your case if it can be made to happen for more people than just you. I do hope it works out that you get your ship back. Losing it to a bug isn't, or shouldn't be, acceptable game play.
Shaun Klaroh Caldari Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:46:00 - [15] I have seen my autopilot get a little wonky at times even for short hops between four systems. I've seen it turn these trips into 28 jump trips as a result, luckily I rarely go AFK, and thoroughly check all waypoints before letting it go. ----- Quote: "Are these people prisoners?" Arkhan asked. "Not at all," Melak replied. "They're free to run and get shot any time they like."
Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:46:00 - [16] Kahrek Laume i don't think so because, as i said above, i set the autopilot to "prefer safe" first, closed starmap, then set destination.... this is part of the reason why i didn't notice that the route was bad because the first few visible systems were safe anyway... of course i know to check the whole route in starmap in the future i'll gladly post the screenshot when i get back to the computer it's stored on, i'm at my g/f's atm :)
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Kylegar This game isnt made to be played AFK...just FYI. I think the fact that there's an option to activate an autopilot disproves this claim. Of course, one takes one's life into their own hands when they alt-tab out of the client. Sometimes "show safer" includes low sec systems. This is a notorious problem in the Solitude region, where "show safer" back to bordering empire regions charts a course through NULL SEC of all places. You have to select "prefer less secure" to bring you back through like a 15 jump low sec pipe in order to avoid a nullsec route. That doesn't seem to be the problem that the OP is describing, but it is an issue. But yeah, if you think there's an autopilot bug definitely keep escalating the petition until someone says that they acknowledge the problem exists. They may not refund your freighter but at least they'll put a sticky note up on some wall at CCP central command that says "autopilot problem - discussion about this at Glaumbar tonight".
Trinity Dusk Art of War	Posted - 2008.04.27 07:59:00 - [18] Sorry for your loss. I presume you had your Security Penalty set to 5 (or smaller) and/or had Avoid pod killings selected. If you set your Security Penalty to 5 and plan trip from Motsu to Arnola then it'll go through Kamela (0.4 system). If you really want to avoid low sec then you should set the slider to 100. Checking the route before going afk is always a good idea too.
Zakgram Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Aria Vetronas being pwned, i panicked and close the program immediately Logging off is bad sport. You deserved the smartbombing imho.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:12:00 - [20] As this issue should be solved through a bug-report and not the forums, I'll just post and say: You flew your freighter afk. You didn't check your route properly. You logged during combat. You admit all this freely. God, you're lame. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting

Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Ki An As this issue should be solved through a bug-report and not the forums, I'll just post and say: You flew your freighter afk. You didn't check your route properly. You logged during combat. You admit all this freely. God, you're lame. Lovely how some of the "forum PVPers" will do anything but acknowledge that there are bugs in the game that cause problems ... EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Zakgram Originally by: Aria Vetronas being pwned, i panicked and close the program immediately Logging off is bad sport. You deserved the smartbombing imho. Not at any point in his post is he being bitter about anything, so stop flaming. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:25:00 - [23] i understand bout the security penalty but i had that covered and as i've said i'd been following the route for the previous 2 days and that at my setting the correct route travelled through no system lower than 0.5 and that i'm sure of... yes i know it was bad sport but then again there is no sport in killing a beached whale... i was encouraged to post this here and see if anyone else could supply useful information, if you cannot, don't post
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Ki An As this issue should be solved through a bug-report Lovely how some of the "forum PVPers" will do anything but acknowledge that there are bugs in the game that cause problems ... Read much? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Aria Vetronas ...owned by their own stupid flying habits... IF there was an actual glitch and you are not just petitioning because you got blown up on autopilot then yes some one should look into it and thank you for making us aware. However you should not be reimbursed for ANYTHING you lost regardless of whether there was a glitch. You were afk, you got blown up, you failed. Pilot not at the helm = dead ship. In high sec or low either way you got what you deserved and I will now commence laughing at you now.
Yakumo Smith Gallente The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.27 08:38:00 - [26] I've seen issues when I've changed the settings while a destination is in place. If I had autopilot set to shortest, picked a route, spotted it had some red systems, changed settings to "safer", it would still take me the original way until I unset the destination and reset it. This was never an issue for me as I always fly manually, but if you were moving around in empire and had set the AP to shortest for a little while and then changed it to safer after having picked your destination it could account for what happened. I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.27 09:17:00 - [27] set destination, press f10 check route.
Aria Vetronas	Posted - 2008.04.27 09:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Aria Vetronas on 27/04/2008 09:25:12 Evita Achura, laugh all you want but don't put words in my mouth, troll chainsaw, thank you, i know now ppl pls don't post unless you have something truly pertinent to the REAL subject at hand
Ka Jolo Ministry of Destruction Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.27 09:46:00 - [29] I have seen the "prefer less safe" option route me through many lowsec systems when a much quicker nullsec route is available. When traveling from Delve to Querious, for example, "prefer less safe" routes through Aridia instead of going direct to Querious where it would be appropriate. The hack we use is to set "prefer shorter." As an outlaw, this of course always makes me double-check the route chosen by the computer. Ka Jolo Your Money or Your Life! The journal of a space pirate
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.27 10:23:00 - [30] That bug is really common and works in other ways as well, I'll mention a few: * Each time the game patches, t2 ships disappear from overview settings. You have to manually update all your saves settings and add every single t2 and capital ship. I've lost ships to this three times and twice got ships back after I petitioned it. * The overview settings restore to the latest used on log-in when you undock. This means that if I have my PvP setting that only show hostiles and dock up, then go to rat and set my setting to show NPC's and wrecks.. next time I exit the station my PvP setting is back and I have to 'load up' the old setting. It also means it's no point for me using brackets, as I have to restore settings by rightclicking and chose a saved setting each time I swap brackets.. which.. is.. exactly the same thing I do when rightclicking to swap settings already, so the brackets are 100% useless. I highly suspect these things can be sorted somehow, as I know some players that don't have the second issue but they have the first. I'm guessing it is something with cache or old settings to do. Not sure if that would affect example number 1, or your autopilot settings. But there's definately something with the clients that "resets" settings now and then, which is ultimately the exact same that happens to your autopilot. Apart from that I agree with the others that tells you not to autopilot ;) as well as I wonder why you didn't push F10 to re-confirm that the route was correct. I don't trust CCP, you shouldn't either. :D and honestly I don't know a single MMO that doesn't have bugs.



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I know it's my own fault,BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!

I know it's my own fault,
BUT THATS NOT THE POINT!