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Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:30:00 -
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Hey,
I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not.
Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.
So...
We could address all the hate filled comments that came from Mittani and the rest of the CSM and goons as we were unsubbing last year.
We could address how the Goons continue to try and sometimes do scam new comers in the recruiting channel, even though it's against EULA.
We could address how certain members of the CSM have little or no working knowledge of WH mechanics or other game mechanics. (I certainly don't know all parts of the game. However I don't pretend I do.)
We could address how certain posts disappear per ISD or other moderators after someone points out a RL attack made towards a fellow player by a Goon. Yeah yeah... just a coincidence that you cleaned only one post.
We could address how The Mittani holds people who didn't vote for him last election in contempt and considered usless to him.
We could address a lot of things. But ultimately the only thing we need to remember is that our subscriptions will be what effects CCPs bottom line and ultimately how they proceed with the game.
Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.
I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.
Good luck to all and thank you CCP for making a great game. You just need to get rid of some useless chairs in your offices is all. IMight I recommend removing the puppets in those chairs while you're at it? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2249
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:46:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Hey, I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not. Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.
Except that mass unsubs are not what CCP wants to see in response to a bad design decision.
Cosmic Fart wrote:So... We can address all the hate filled comments that came from Mittani and the rest of the CSM and goons as we were unsubbing last year.
We can address how the Goons continue to try and sometimes do scam new comers in the recruiting channel, even though it's against EULA.
Scamming is not against the EULA. You should read it sometime.
Cosmic Fart wrote:We can address how certain members of the CSM have little or no working knowledge of WH mechanics or other game mechanics. (I certainly don't know all parts of the game. However I don't pretend I do.)
We can address how certain posts disappear per ISD or other moderators after someone points out a RL attack made towards a fellow player by a Goon. Yeah yeah... just a coincidence that you cleaned only one post.
Two step and Meissa address wormhole issues.
Cosmic Fart wrote:We can address a lot of things. But ultimately the only thing we need to remember is that our subscriptions will be what effects CCPs bottom line and ultimately how they proceed with the game.
Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.
Like I said, the CSM is a sanity check. The game designers sit down and talk with them about their ideas for the game and their possible implementations, and the CSM gives them feedback. If mass unsubs are the alternative, I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't mind paying airfare and lodging for 7 people a few times a year.
Cosmic Fart wrote:I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.
Good luck to all and thank you CCP for making a great game. You just need to get rid of some useless chairs in your offices is all. IMight I recommend removing the puppets in those chairs while you're at it?
Your 5 accounts are a drop in the ocean. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:48:00 -
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Dear OP,
Ok really who is your main that has failed to get on the CSM year after year?
Like it or not the current CSM has done more to help CCP understand there own game and make positive changes than any other CSM so far. You just sound ******** saying they have nothing to do with it.
Also come out of your WH, I think something in there is effecting your posting, TIA. |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:53:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Hey, However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag.
Ill just make sure i vote for The Mittani 5 times so your votes don't matter, thanks for the heads up
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Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:56:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Dear OP,
Ok really who is your main that has failed to get on the CSM year after year?
Like it or not the current CSM has done more to help CCP understand there own game and make positive changes than any other CSM so far. You just sound ******** saying they have nothing to do with it.
Also come out of your WH, I think something in there is effecting your posting, TIA.
Just like a swarm, pounce on anyone who denounces your fearful leader. Worker bees, lol.
For your info I nor any of my toons have ever ran for the CSM as I see it a waste of revenue that CCP could be using elsewhere.
oh... yeah... the ole post with your main attack. Grammar police next? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2251
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:59:00 -
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the three of us posted with our mains
what do you expect us to do, evict you from your awful C2?
you also failed to post any serious rebuttals, so naturally it's all downhill from here "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:59:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote: Just like a swarm, pounce on anyone who denounces your fearful leader. Worker bees, lol.
For your info I nor any of my toons have ever ran for the CSM as I see it a waste of revenue that CCP could be using elsewhere.
oh... yeah... the ole post with your main attack. Grammar police next?
Well duh I have no ablity to think for my self, that is why I am here to be in the *swarm*, but I like how you completely dodge the questions at hand, very pro bro. |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:01:00 -
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Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1284
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:02:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP.
I would like to know where my 'luxuries' are.
Cosmic Fart wrote:I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant.
So you are mad and your plan is to paint the entire serving CSM with the same brush? Your entire post basically announces that you've not bothered to research any of your conclusions at all. Feel free to explain my selfish reservations for running for re-election though; I'm quite curious to have it explained to me how I've been CCP's puppet and whatever other tinfoil conspiracies you might have. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:03:00 -
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Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.
No WH, actually hang out in your area.
No all bees are workers.
Fly safe now. |
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:06:00 -
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Logic? Heh. Reason? Heh. A pubbie craves not these things. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:09:00 -
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Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do?
As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2253
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:12:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.
No WH, actually hang out in your area.
Not all bees are workers.
Fly safe now.
this is a hilarious line of logic
"I posted a thread and goons are replying to it, I must be 100% correct because otherwise nobody with a GSF ticker would reply ever" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2253
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:14:00 -
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also, post with your main and tell us where you rat "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
92
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:20:00 -
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I don't know about all of this and that..
...all I saw was the title of the thread "Sitting here pondering.." with a toon named "Cosmic Fart".
...simple mind simple pleasures Would you like a kitten? |
Joba Korako
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:20:00 -
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Im afraid that your retardation is inhibiting me from responding in a meaningful way. Please try again when you hear the tone |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:21:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts!
oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches? |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Cosmic Fart wrote:Keep it up... just proving my point without me saying anything else.
No WH, actually hang out in your area.
Not all bees are workers.
Fly safe now. this is a hilarious line of logic "I posted a thread and goons are replying to it, I must be 100% correct because otherwise nobody with a GSF ticker would reply ever"
no way man, im sure as hell not |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
43
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:25:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Hey, I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not. Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention.
Haters gonna hate.
CSM 6 can partially claim that. However they represent the players at that stakeholders table.They represent us as a sanity check for CCP.
What CSM 6 did was organise what players wanted. Thats all they had to do. A little diplomacy, some project management skills and an understanding of business and software development went a long way. They took the players top few concerns just pushed those, like you do in Agile.
What you need to realise is, regardless of who was in CSM6 they what they needed to do. They represented the player base, the core concerns and got these looked at and fixed.
Even if I wasn't in the CFC Mitanni will still get 1 of my votes this year, because frankly, he did a good job. He and CSM 6 got Flying in space on the path to getting fixed and brought changes players like myself have wanted for years; like the hybrid fix. |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
93
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:26:00 -
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Let me guess...you guys know this guy? Would you like a kitten? |
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Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:33:00 -
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Travis Wells wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts! oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches?
I am a single bee, so I can only save one, lets hope Andski has the power to escape |
Travis Wells
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:45:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts! oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches? I am a single bee, so I can only save one, lets hope Andski has the power to escape
Quick Andski, go to the hive, the bee's are there waiting for you, there is no hope for me and gossamer, this guy has 5 votes! |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:01:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote: Even if I wasn't in the CFC Mitanni will still get 1 of my votes this year, because frankly, he did a good job. He and CSM 6 got Flying in space on the path to getting fixed and brought changes players like myself have wanted for years; like the hybrid fix.
The Mittani wrote:I mostly delegated discussion of hybrid issues to the CSM6 hybrid experts, Prometheus Exenthal and White Tree. I'm a nullsec sovwar guy, whether rails need a 10 percent buff and a 12 percent grid decrease is really too micro for me. I'd just mess things up.
I'm pretty happy with what Tallest has posted in his hybrid blog.
CSM didnt appear from the minutes to have much to do with the new BCs, I'd say thats a pretty big move that CCP did to represent their move to FiS without direct intervention. Lessons learnt from their understanding of players opinion after the Incarnagate. I'm sure they took the CSMs discussions on board, but I doubt opinion was unknown.
I mean it was even a topic of dicussion that the impact of loss of subs was relevant to the emergency summit:
CSM minutes wrote:The second leg of the session involved showing the CSM how Incarna was received in terms of subscriber numbers and trends as well as informing them of other business and analytics metrics. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1026
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:05:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts! oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches? I am a single bee, so I can only save one, lets hope Andski has the power to escape
Is goon honey the best honey?
Issler |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:14:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Is goon honey the best honey?
Issler
wow that's bit a of a personal question, and to someone you don't know, I like it!
honey is honey, if you say your here to not get huney your full of cow droppings. |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
43
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:23:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote: Even if I wasn't in the CFC Mitanni will still get 1 of my votes this year, because frankly, he did a good job. He and CSM 6 got Flying in space on the path to getting fixed and brought changes players like myself have wanted for years; like the hybrid fix.
The Mittani wrote:I mostly delegated discussion of hybrid issues to the CSM6 hybrid experts, Prometheus Exenthal and White Tree. I'm a nullsec sovwar guy, whether rails need a 10 percent buff and a 12 percent grid decrease is really too micro for me. I'd just mess things up.
I'm pretty happy with what Tallest has posted in his hybrid blog. CSM didnt appear from the minutes to have much to do with the new BCs, I'd say thats a pretty big move that CCP did to represent their move to FiS without direct intervention. Lessons learnt from their understanding of players opinion after the Incarnagate. I'm sure they took the CSMs discussions on board, but I doubt opinion was unknown. I mean it was even a topic of dicussion that the impact of loss of subs was relevant to the emergency summit: CSM minutes wrote:The second leg of the session involved showing the CSM how Incarna was received in terms of subscriber numbers and trends as well as informing them of other business and analytics metrics.
I agree, it wasn't just the csm, however when you look in this very forum for the most wanted fixes by players you'll see that those same fixes appeared in crucible and the next patch will contain more most wanted fixes, as voted on by the player base. csm did what its supposed to do, for the first time. |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:31:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:I agree, it wasn't just the csm, however when you look in this very forum for the most wanted fixes by players you'll see that those same fixes appeared in crucible and the next patch will contain more most wanted fixes, as voted on by the player base. csm did what its supposed to do, for the first time.
If you look in this forum you'll also see a number of outstanding unfixed items from players opinion that Crucible didn't fix.
I do hope that CCP continues in this vein also and in conjunction with the CSM, which largley needs a better representation to makes things even better than they are. Essentially to add more credability and purpose. My only objection to your reasoning is thinking that the Mittani is essential to that process, as clearly he isn't. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:49:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Travis Wells wrote:Andski, Gossamer, the bastion is under attack by npc corp forum alts. What will we ever do? As a swarm bee I am here as cannon fodder save your self, the posting power here is to great, it would take a super post to release me from the clutches of the pubbie alts! oh gossamer can you save me from these wretches? I am a single bee, so I can only save one, lets hope Andski has the power to escape Is goon honey the best honey? Issler
How DARE you ask such an inappropriate question. We haven't even had a first date yet and this is something we don't tell people until we move in with them, or at least buy us dinner first. |
Aiifa
Pandora Sphere Narwhals Ate My Duck
24
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:46:00 -
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Cosmic Fart wrote:Hey, I've been sitting here wondering if getting all upset about who might or might not win the CSM elections, and is it really worth the indigestion. I came to a realization it's not. Ultimately our subscriptions will be the determining factor for CCP. Yeah... the present CSM can claim responsibility of CCP changing direction all they want. Reality is, the falling subscription base is what ultimately got CCPs attention. So... We could address all the hate filled comments that came from Mittani and the rest of the CSM and goons as we were unsubbing last year. We could address how the Goons continue to try and sometimes do scam new comers in the recruiting channel, even though it's against EULA. We could address how certain members of the CSM have little or no working knowledge of WH mechanics or other game mechanics. (I certainly don't know all parts of the game. However I don't pretend I do.) We could address how certain posts disappear per ISD or other moderators after someone points out a RL attack made towards a fellow player by a Goon. Yeah yeah... just a coincidence that you cleaned only one post. We could address how The Mittani holds people who didn't vote for him last election in contempt and considered usless to him. We could address a lot of things. But ultimately the only thing we need to remember is that our subscriptions will be what effects CCPs bottom line and ultimately how they proceed with the game. Sure... the CSM effects the bottom line when you consider the free air fare and luxuries afforded to them to act as puppets for CCP. I can say that I've never voted in the CSM elections before this year. However, my 5 accounts will be voting this year. No, not for anyone presently holding a CSM tag. I feel they all sat by and reaped the rewards of the ones who unsubbed and now taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than disdain and the mocking the ones who were unsubbing. Yeah... I was there and I remember being called a lot of names...peasant. Good luck to all and thank you CCP for making a great game. You just need to get rid of some useless chairs in your offices is all. IMight I recommend removing the puppets in those chairs while you're at it?
I think I'm right in saying a corollary to your central thesis is that all the market research CCP is capable of ends in the algorithm
subs go up --> make spacepants
subs go down --> make good game
yup you are my new form of entertainment
:popcorn: |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:45:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Is goon honey the best honey?
Issler
How DARE you ask such an inappropriate question. We haven't even had a first date yet and this is something we don't tell people until we move in with them, or at least buy us dinner first. Such a good response. Gotta +like. Press butan now!
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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