Originally by: Ray McCormack

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For corps it works well, as items bought drop into the deliveries hangar so anyone with permissions can pick them up and transport them. And region-wide orders will get filled at a lower price generally.

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Originally by: Myrdyr

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I hope ambulation lets you pod people in stations and they can be camped into the clone bay until they change to a different station of that corp (plus isk for the clone fees each time

Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/04/2008 16:02:24

Originally by: Ray McCormack

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For corps it works well, as items bought drop into the deliveries hangar so anyone with permissions can pick them up and transport them. And region-wide orders will get filled at a lower price generally.

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It works well even for single individuals Ray.
After the initial lag phase, you harvest/set up courier contracts for the stations where enough items piled up. And believe me, you'll have your hands full (if I remember well Ambo's tool allows setting up automatic courier contracts?)

There are only 2 issues to consider here:
The initial capital to account for the buffering is by no means small.
And two... your buffered assets are highly susceptible to devaluation due to mineral prices volatility, you could compensate that with exploiting mineral price cycles, setting lower margins for yourself + having brokering/accounting to 5 + standings while your prices will still be highly competitive.

It is not something I'd recommend before having many billions in your pockets.

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Originally by: Prospectus Major

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I believe region wide buy orders allows the trader to control the market for the entire region on a specific item. For instance if they have a region wide buy order priced below thier selling price they will essentially buy everything listed in that region. This allows them to 'corner the market' for the specific item in that region forcing any buyer to buy from them. In other words if they are buying all of a specific item which is listed in a specific region the only way another person can purchase the item is from them. This allows them to control the market in the region on this specific item.

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Originally by: Prospectus Major

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I believe region wide buy orders allows the trader to control the market for the entire region on a specific item. [worthless crap...]

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Originally by: Myrdyr

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I hope ambulation lets you pod people in stations and they can be camped into the clone bay until they change to a different station of that corp (plus isk for the clone fees each time

Originally by: Prospectus Major

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At least that is the theory with business as I know it. I look forward to other considerations which I may have overlooked.

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It is hard to say which is more: The combinations of range and price or the reason(ings) that people have for making those choices. As with all things here, it simply depends on the player's mindset, resources, intent, and market itself. There is no one right way, no singular one wrong way.

There is just the way you choose right now for this market order. Comparing one market order to another is like comparing one person to another; rarely are they identical, rarely are they even close to identical.

Mind you I am not trying to be offensive but I hate these kinds of threads as the responses are more often psychologically or ideologically driven. Though you'll find most delude themselves into thinking that their answer is economically driven.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Mind you I am not trying to be offensive but I hate these kinds of threads as the responses are more often psychologically or ideologically driven. Though you'll find most delude themselves into thinking that their answer is economically driven.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Consider this in your thoughts.



More often then not the Region wide fills faster even though it's 25% cheaper (Talking about cheap products here with large volume) The reason I place the 5jump 10% less is because someone 6 jumps away will make a single jump to get 15% more.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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The silliest part is that in most threads like this the best reasons for doing something are never actually listed in that thread. Why? Because the few people who know them are smart enough not to give away their secrets.

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Originally by: Myrdyr

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I hope ambulation lets you pod people in stations and they can be camped into the clone bay until they change to a different station of that corp (plus isk for the clone fees each time

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Ambo's Tool? Where can I see that one. Could be handy.....

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ôOnly a life lived for others is worth livingö - Albert Einstein.

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Originally by: Tanmoe

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ôOnly a life lived for others is worth livingö - Albert Einstein.

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He's not known for his trading skills tho ;)

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Originally by: Myrdyr

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I hope ambulation lets you pod people in stations and they can be camped into the clone bay until they change to a different station of that corp (plus isk for the clone fees each time

Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Originally by: Tanmoe

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ôOnly a life lived for others is worth livingö - Albert Einstein.

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He's not known for his trading skills tho ;)

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Let's just say that regional wide orders are immensely profitable when running a decent number of them
Tycoon 5 surely helps.

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Originally by: Myrdyr

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I hope ambulation lets you pod people in stations and they can be camped into the clone bay until they change to a different station of that corp (plus isk for the clone fees each time

Originally by: Shadarle

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Originally by: Tanmoe

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ôOnly a life lived for others is worth livingö - Albert Einstein.

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He's not known for his trading skills tho ;)

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Let's just say that regional wide orders are immensely profitable when running a decent number of them
Tycoon 5 surely helps.

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Tycoon 5 really isn't worth the time unless you truly do nothing but trade. Even then it's arguable as there are ancillary skills that might prove more beneficial in the long run.

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Originally by: Shakuul

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I think in the time it took you to train tycoon 5 you'd be better off making an alt instead.

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Originally by: Xantheris

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I am just curious as to why traders put up Region Wide Buys... If you are trading in say, a high volume module or ship, doesn't a Region Wide Buy get you small stacks all over the entire region in different systems and stations? Isn't it hard to consolidate all of that into one or two stations and then resell? Or do most people just remotely resell at the station the Region Wide Buy is filled?

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Originally by: Lord Fitz

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You will buy things for lower prices if you buy from the lazy and out of the way sellers. For one item, it may be alot of effort, as you say you get small stacks in each station, but if you are buying 100-300 different products, you end up with larger stacks of many varied products in different stations, which you can go collect in freighters and then refine for minerals, or simply resell.

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Originally by: Xantheris

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Originally by: Lord Fitz

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You will buy things for lower prices if you buy from the lazy and out of the way sellers. For one item, it may be alot of effort, as you say you get small stacks in each station, but if you are buying 100-300 different products, you end up with larger stacks of many varied products in different stations, which you can go collect in freighters and then refine for minerals, or simply resell.

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So what I am getting from most of these posts, Region Wide Buys are most useful if you are trading a huge amount of either the same or different products as Region Wide Buys allow you to get lower prices. I guess the time/money you spend carrying all the stuff from remote locations to central area is made up by the increased margin.

Sounds like a cool thing to maybe experiment with.

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Originally by: Xantheris

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When I thought about Region Wide Buys I always thought it'd be such a pain to move the small stacks I'd acquire all over the place, 5, 10, 15 jumps apart, to a central hub. There's more stuff to think about though with each response.

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Originally by: Prospectus Major

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I believe region wide buy orders allows the trader to control the market for the entire region on a specific item. For instance if they have a region wide buy order priced below thier selling price they will essentially buy everything listed in that region. This allows them to 'corner the market' for the specific item in that region forcing any buyer to buy from them. In other words if they are buying all of a specific item which is listed in a specific region the only way another person can purchase the item is from them. This allows them to control the market in the region on this specific item.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Consider this in your thoughts.

Region Wide panders to the Seller, not the buyer.
Even if a lower price a Region wide will fill up. As long as you're the highest Region wide.

I've used this when placing buy orders before.

1) At the station place an item for what you're willing to buy it for.
2) At the same station place a 5 Jump order for 10% less.
3) At the same station place a region wide order for 25% less.

More often then not the Region wide fills faster even though it's 25% cheaper (Talking about cheap products here with large volume) The reason I place the 5jump 10% less is because someone 6 jumps away will make a single jump to get 15% more.

Unless you're at a market hub you'll soon see the orders are filled, Region, 5 Jumps, Local station. At least for small value items. What usually happens is the local station fills in 1 or 2 orders as someone is offloading stock.

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Originally by: Ordon Gundar

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Originally by: SencneS

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Consider this in your thoughts.

Region Wide panders to the Seller, not the buyer.
Even if a lower price a Region wide will fill up. As long as you're the highest Region wide.

I've used this when placing buy orders before.

1) At the station place an item for what you're willing to buy it for.
2) At the same station place a 5 Jump order for 10% less.
3) At the same station place a region wide order for 25% less.

More often then not the Region wide fills faster even though it's 25% cheaper (Talking about cheap products here with large volume) The reason I place the 5jump 10% less is because someone 6 jumps away will make a single jump to get 15% more.

Unless you're at a market hub you'll soon see the orders are filled, Region, 5 Jumps, Local station. At least for small value items. What usually happens is the local station fills in 1 or 2 orders as someone is offloading stock.

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I can understand that this system accumulates stock quickly, but isnt that an awful lot of outlay, at different margins, to keep track of? I would rather spend my time PvP trading against the competition with ONE buy order set to a medium distance rather than keep on top of three.

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Originally by: Ortos

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If you've got a lot of money you can invest it and use a few hours to pick it up a month later. Make a pretty high margin off it.

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Originally by: Blue Dice

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But as soon as you start to think in larger scales that view will change drastically.

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