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Horin Bemerrig Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:36:00 - [1] Edited by: Horin Bemerrig on 28/04/2008 20:36:47 sorry thought i was in the ships forum, could a gm move this please? ok ive been thinking of trying the so called Calvary raven in pvp and i was thinking something along the lines of this [Raven, pvp] Type-D Power Core Modification: Reaction Control Type-D Power Core Modification: Diagnostic System Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Vespa EC-600 x5 Vespa EC-600 x2 cant use t2 seige lanchers yet and it is a very very tight fit, what do you guys think?
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:38:00 - [2] Guaranteed to win any 1v1 against a non-amarr battleship. Go with faction gear for extra awesome. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Arvald Caldari The Ninjapirates	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Tarminic Guaranteed to win any 1v1 against a non-amarr battleship. Go with faction gear for extra awesome. Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Horin Bemerrig Calvary raven A Raven that is Crucified outside Bethlehem? It's the Jesus Raven! Calvary: Golgotha, the place where Jesus was crucified. Luke 23:33 Cavalry: The part of a military force composed of troops that serve on horseback, and/or in mechanized or armored units. Protip: Stop using browsers with no spell check function. Firefox FTW!
Horin Bemerrig Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Horin Bemerrig Calvary raven A Raven that is Crucified outside Bethlehem? It's the Jesus Raven! Calvary: Golgotha, the place where Jesus was crucified. Luke 23:33 Cavalry: The part of a military force composed of troops that serve on horseback, and/or in mechanized or armored units. Protip: Stop using browsers with no spell check function. Firefox FTW! DOH ill fix it =D
Regat Kozovv Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:05:00 - [6] This idea intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. =) Seriously though, I've been toying around with the idea of an MWDing torp raven for PvP, but I've been told it's not really feasible. But if someone would like to show me otherwise, I'd definitively be interested. =)
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:06:00 - [7] I try to be constructive in some ones fitting idea instead of telling them to fly something else, but you should understand that the Cavalry Raven doesn't work and hasn't for a while. The fit you described is a more or less sub par Torpedo Raven. Cavalry Ravens are old. They worked on two or three features that are no longer in effect in the game. 1: Torpedos that had range before their damage boost / range nerf. Note that Javelins can not be substituted as the following will clarify 2: When Missiles had an area of effect for damage. They no longer have this. 3: I'm not sure if there were as many speeds mods then as now or if its back when multiple micro warp drives were possable, but speed played into this. The idea of the Cavalry Raven was to start your engagement at extreme range. Some one with no life measured the flight time and speed of torpedoes and fit his raven to fly as close to that speed as possible. Some of the math junkies had their ravens and torpedoes moving within less than seconds of each other. So you lock a Target from range, and charge him. You fire volley after volley after volley at said target. All the while, you are racing your torps, so that you've basically amassed a small army torps that have the same velocity and vector as each other and your raven. From there I dont know what the pilot did. Pul lup over the target, break off, ram them... but the torps that hes been firing, six at a time, have multiplied... and the target intended, instead of getting hit by six torps at a time gets hit by 12, 18, 24, I hear some times as many as thirty if they stuck around long enough for the Cavalry Raven pilot to make his charge. Current game and weapons mechanics jsut don't allow for that mate. Look up torpedo raven fits or psot your first in SHips and Modules and ask for some advice on how to tweak it out.
Oburn Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:14:00 - [8] Edited by: Oburn on 28/04/2008 21:14:49 I miss them days. Much fun to be had. But like Rad said there are some torp setups in Ships forums. If you melt dry ice can you swim in it and not get wet?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Horin Bemerrig Calvary raven A Raven that is Crucified outside Bethlehem? It's the Jesus Raven! Calvary: Golgotha, the place where Jesus was crucified. Luke 23:33 Cavalry: The part of a military force composed of troops that serve on horseback, and/or in mechanized or armored units. Protip: Stop using browsers with no spell check function. Firefox FTW! Protip: a spell checker would have been useless here, as Calvary is the correct spelling of that word. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Regat Kozovv This idea intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. =) Seriously though, I've been toying around with the idea of an MWDing torp raven for PvP, but I've been told it's not really feasible. But if someone would like to show me otherwise, I'd definitively be interested. =) You need a MWD on a torp raven, these days, in my opinion. It won't let you tank as hard, due to taking a mid slot and your cap, but unless every ship in the engagement is going to sit still inside your torpedo range in combat (and that does happen to, dont get me wrong), warping from and back to a fight and target can take forever in a raven in combat. Id rather die every now and then because my tank was a little gimped than die because I couldn't hit back.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:24:00 - [11] The Cavalry Raven was a legend before Gankageddons existed. They utilized multiple mwds, and were pretty much giant dive bombers. Infact I had hoped that the Stealth 'Bombers' we have today would have been similar to the old Cavalry Raven in warfighting philosophy...ie Torpedo Bomber. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:31:00 - [12] It wouldn't hit near as hard but I wonder if it can be done with Cruise missiles and a single MWD + Speed mods or what ever it takes to get the math right. Then again a rapier / nano gang would just tackle it and snipers would have a ball with its sig radius so maybe not.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.28 22:12:00 - [13] Quote: So you lock a Target from range, and charge him. You fire volley after volley after volley at said target. All the while, you are racing your torps, so that you've basically amassed a small army torps that have the same velocity and vector as each other and your raven. Lol, that's awesome.
1717 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.28 22:41:00 - [14] Check out this thread. It's a very entertaining movie (40 mins, but I didn't get bored once.) He doesn't use an MWD, but it might give you some tips as to what you should try when pvp-ing with a torp raven (I wouldn't know as I don't fly one.) eve-online.com
Gypsio III Bambooule	Posted - 2008.04.28 23:06:00 - [15] Although it's no Cavalry Raven, a current torp Raven MWDing straight at a target at ~900 m/s will see a significant grouping of missiles, giving a useful increase in DPS sustained by the target. Obviously, the same effect occurs if you target is MWDing at you.
Commander Shag No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.28 23:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Regat Kozovv Seriously though, I've been toying around with the idea of an MWDing torp raven for PvP, but I've been told it's not really feasible. But if someone would like to show me otherwise, I'd definitively be interested. =) An MWDing torp raven in small gang ops is pure win. Active tanking a torp raven is pure fail. [Torps] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Target Painter II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Wasp EC-900 x1 Wasp EC-900 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Vespa EC-600 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Drop the painter for another extender if you have a painter in gang. You can also drop it for a point for extra lulz.
Oktacon	Posted - 2008.04.28 23:36:00 - [17] This is the Setup I'm using Now Low 3xBCU 1xDCU 1xPDU Med 3x Extender 3x Invul High 6x Siege Missile Launcher II Rigs 3x CDF This gives me 125.9k effective HP with 800dps. I CAN fit a 100mn MWD II in place of a Invul field, but this drops my effective Hp to 125k. Its question of the tradeoff. Personally, I don't feel too safe doing it, but its your choice
Commander Shag No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.28 23:45:00 - [18] Lack of a MWD on a torp raven is very situational and really not recommended. If your gang has to burn back to a gate, expect to not be invited on any future ops. Also, if all your targets are beyond 30km, you're worthless. Dropping the painter is fine, but not fitting a MWD in pvp is a no no. But as you say, it's your choice. Just my 2 cents.
Regat Kozovv Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.29 02:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Regat Kozovv on 29/04/2008 02:47:16 Here's my own fit. This has less DPS and tanking ability than Shag's fit, but better speed. This MWD should be sustainable with good skills. Your mileage may vary: [Raven, Close Range/Roaming PvP] Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Cap Recharger II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Semiconductor Memory Cell I I've noticed that not many people use Cap batteries, preferring injectors or rechargers/relays instead. Personally I tend to use a mix, as I hate the hit to my cargo hold (and the idea that I might run out of charges) and the batteries tend to help more in situations where an MWD is installed; helping for the loss in cap and boosting the recharge rate at the same time. You won't get the same recharge as you will if you put a recharger in it's place, but it will boost the effectiveness of subsequent rechargers, as well as give you longer duration than a single recharger will if you're not looking to make it sustainable. I'd also fit a medium remote armor/hull repairer on this setup, as your recharge rate will be more than enough to sustain them with the MWD turned off after a fight. Thoughts?
Den enjen Caldari MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.29 07:05:00 - [20] [Raven] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier I Shield Boost Amplifier I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Dread Guristas Mjolnir Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Infiltrator II x5 --------------------------------------------
tiller MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.29 07:56:00 - [21] the only ravens I fly these days are rage torp spitting ones... provide near blasterthron dps but can inflict dmg at much better ranges.. nasty bit of kit
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.04.29 10:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Bish Ounen Originally by: Horin Bemerrig Calvary raven A Raven that is Crucified outside Bethlehem? It's the Jesus Raven! Calvary: Golgotha, the place where Jesus was crucified. Luke 23:33 Cavalry: The part of a military force composed of troops that serve on horseback, and/or in mechanized or armored units. Protip: Stop using browsers with no spell check function. Firefox FTW! No man.Calvary raven is a raven thats going to be crucified by the first megathron it meets. But dont worry, thanks to the insurance companies, it will resurrect on the third day. :)
Nathan Harrow Caldari Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.04.29 13:15:00 - [23] Cavalry ravens do not work any more full stop, the torp range has been drastically reduced since trinity and the only viable missiles you could use would be Cruises - And id like to see a BS reach cruise missile speeds... Unfortunatly - this doesnt work any more...
Fetus Monger	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:12:00 - [24] In your world BS's moving at cruise missile speeds maybe a myth, but with some LG snake set or a claymore in gang or some combination of the two a complete LOL fit typhoon can pull it off... Come to think of it so can a raven with the help of a claymore and LG snake set. Typhoon(LOL-PVP) LOW: Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II MED: 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I,Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II HIGH: Cruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II,Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II,Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II,Barrage L Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II,Barrage L RIGS: Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Flys a few m/s within cruise missile speed and delivers ~ 2k damage per volly The raven is even juicier.... I'm taking my sarcasm/EFT warrior hat off now and dawning my flame suit.
Everyone Dies Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 29/04/2008 14:24:28 Edited by: Everyone Dies on 29/04/2008 14:20:25 Edited by: Everyone Dies on 29/04/2008 14:20:03 Originally by: Commander Shag Originally by: Regat Kozovv Seriously though, I've been toying around with the idea of an MWDing torp raven for PvP, but I've been told it's not really feasible. But if someone would like to show me otherwise, I'd definitively be interested. =) An MWDing torp raven in small gang ops is pure win. Active tanking a torp raven is pure fail. [Torps] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Target Painter II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Wasp EC-900 x1 Wasp EC-900 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Vespa EC-600 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Drop the painter for another extender if you have a painter in gang. You can also drop it for a point for extra lulz. ^ Setup above is a failure Try this: [Raven, Best] Power Diagnostic System II Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration 'Copasetic' I Particle Field Acceleration Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Torpedo [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 The nonsense about "passive" shield tanked ravens is pure lols
Commander Shag No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Everyone Dies ^ Setup above is a failure If you say so. You wouldn't even be allowed in our gangs with that setup. But, to each his own.
Gypsio III Bambooule	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:55:00 - [27] Originally by: and you wonder why Everyone Dies? The nonsense about "passive" shield tanked ravens is pure lols Total rubbish. Your fit does less DPS than the buffer Raven and doesn't even have a MWD. Active Raven has its uses - it's certainly worthwhile with some Crystals. But it's so hard to fit that the buffer-Raven is better in general PVP.
Everyone Dies Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:57:00 - [28] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 29/04/2008 14:58:56 Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: and you wonder why Everyone Dies? The nonsense about "passive" shield tanked ravens is pure lols Total rubbish. Your fit does less DPS than the buffer Raven and doesn't even have a MWD. Active Raven has its uses - it's certainly worthwhile with some Crystals. But it's so hard to fit that the buffer-Raven is better in general PVP. Well this is sentry tanking gate camping setup. Tanks 700 dps until you are out of cap charges. Don't need a mwd because it's not for lame 0.0 bubble escaping warfare
Everyone Dies Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 15:22:00 - [29] see this video for ACTIVE tanked raven pwnage http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=748390
Regat Kozovv Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Everyone Dies Well this is sentry tanking gate camping setup. Tanks 700 dps until you are out of cap charges. Don't need a mwd because it's not for lame 0.0 bubble escaping warfare I think that's the crux of the issue; this thread is about MWDing Ravens with torps, not gate camping setups.

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