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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Murky Inc. Power Of 3
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Posted - 2008.04.29 16:57:00 -
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When does pirating, both low sec and high sec become griefing and land you with a ccp ban? Is there a "can and cant" list somewhere?
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:03:00 -
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Never.
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prdelac
Caldari 47R THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:07:00 -
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NEVER when you click undock you consent to pvp CCP will never ban a player for killing a player
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Acies Invictus
Neoteric War Syndicate Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:28:00 -
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Piracy - robbery committed without the consent of a sovereign nation. So essentially any PvP that leads to financial gains, outside of large alliances, is piracy. So piracy is EVE is not bannable. Unfortunately what you run into in EVE is cuties who like to can flip nubs in starting areas. This begins to creep into the realm of "griefing".
EVE is not different than any other MMO, it has a significant quantity of e-thugs who use the internet to increase their sense of self-worth. _______________________________________________ Human beings didn't evolve brains in order to lie around on lakes. Killing's the first thing we learned. And a good thing we did, or we'd be dead. |
Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:42:00 -
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When you suck at it.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker When you suck at it.
No, wait, I suck at piracy but I'm not a griefer... I don't think!
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DubanFP
Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:47:00 -
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Anything you can do in EVE, exploits aside, isn't considered griefing. Griefing is mostly reserved for what you do in chat. Like making death threats would be considered griefing and get you banned. But as of killing someone repeatedly they won't take action. Even if you do it to the point they leave the game "we've done that a few times before, see Crime & Punishment". _______________
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Kahrek Laume
Gallente Atropos Asylum
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Posted - 2008.04.29 17:57:00 -
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When someone demonstrates stupendous stupidity coupled with a lack of common sense and resentment at being made to pay for such lack of common sense (I.E. OMG you popped my unfitted drake in lowsec omg omgomg!!!1!)
Those people cause me grief, i weep and yearn to add some bleach to the genepool, other than most anything PVP related is fair game.
Regards,
Kahrek Laume.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 18:58:00 -
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There is no such thing as "griefing," it is just a nonsensical, made up word; it is the invention of little fruits.
The sole point of (multiplayer) gaming has always been to kill, kill, kill. If you do not like multiplayer gaming, there are lots of single player games. There is nothing more to it than that.
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Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.29 19:07:00 -
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griefing in eve?
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2008.04.29 19:14:00 -
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AFAIK constant ganking of noob ships in the starter systems will land you with a warning eventually? Also recycling alts for the purpose of suicide ganking is a bannable offence too as far as I'm aware. Apart from that all is fair game unless it is in violation of game mechanics. Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes. |
Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.04.29 19:38:00 -
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There's really only a few ways to land a warning or ban by pirating. Like has been mentioned already, can baiting in starter systems will get you a warning, recycling suicide alts also gets a warning. Other than that, you can shoot to your hearts content.
The majority of the "grief" comes from smack and cussing in local or whatever, that kind of thing is probably the easiest way to get warned. ______
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Faife on 29/04/2008 20:27:23 extended high sec bumping is i think griefing too.
EDIT: meaning not in my opinion but in past GM judgement calls
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 29/04/2008 20:27:23 extended high sec bumping is i think griefing too.
EDIT: meaning not in my opinion but in past GM judgement calls
again, probably only the noob systems, bumping miners out of the belts is totally legitimate in high sec
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:36:00 -
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Officially there is no such thing as griefing, as long as you're not exploiting.
In reality griefing is in the eye of the beholder. For instance if you jump your unfitted BS into lowsec without a scout and get ganked you may feel grief. But then you have to ask yourself, did you get griefed or did you grief yourself? There are many ways to prevent grief in Eve, for instance not AFK hauling Titan BPOs in your Kestrel or jumping into lowsec in your Heavy Missile CNR. Unfortunately people just can't be bothered with their own safety, it's up to the "sociopathic 13-year-old basement dwelling virgins" to know better than to PvP in the PvP game. They should know better than to ruin the experience of those who don't want to PvP in the PvP game, after all CCP does force those people to play.
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.04.29 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 29/04/2008 20:27:23 extended high sec bumping is i think griefing too.
EDIT: meaning not in my opinion but in past GM judgement calls
again, probably only the noob systems, bumping miners out of the belts is totally legitimate in high sec
I had a corp mate warned for this. Something about harassing players with no intent to kill. I think that's a fair judgment call to make. So constantly bumping a freighter trying to align or locking a pod with a scram, setting approach, and then going afk for a day would seem to count.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:04:00 -
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I always thought "griefing" was killing your teammates in a team game. Like if you have friends on Blue and wanted to be an ass, you'd switch to Red but continue blasting reds.
There is no griefing in Eve. ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10 |
Nicholas Barker
MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:09:00 -
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when you invite'em on TS and make them do stupid stuff to live, or just to listen to them rage ---
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Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.04.29 21:23:00 -
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I like bumping AFK mining haulers 100+ km off their belts in my Ishtar if I find them...
/me reports self? ______
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.04.29 22:22:00 -
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i like to scramble people's pods, and then not pod them. just sit there; they don't leave until they self destruct or something more worthwhile presents itself.
probably griefing, definitely amusing.
reign of terror griefmatic |
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.04.29 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Anything you can do in EVE, exploits aside, isn't considered griefing. Griefing is mostly reserved for what you do in chat. Like making death threats would be considered griefing and get you banned. But as of killing someone repeatedly they won't take action. Even if you do it to the point they leave the game "we've done that a few times before, see Crime & Punishment".
Originally by: Kehmor AFAIK constant ganking of noob ships in the starter systems will land you with a warning eventually? Also recycling alts for the purpose of suicide ganking is a bannable offence too as far as I'm aware. Apart from that all is fair game unless it is in violation of game mechanics.
this
killing someone repeatedly in eve isnt called griefing, its called playing eve
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Dav Varan
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Posted - 2008.04.30 13:54:00 -
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Can baiting / flipping in Starter systems will get you a warning / ban.
Everything else is pretty much allowed afaik. |
tiller
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.04.30 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia i like to scramble people's pods, and then not pod them. just sit there; they don't leave until they self destruct or something more worthwhile presents itself.
probably griefing, definitely amusing.
yes, having a 'pet pod' at your gatecamp makes the camp 100 * more cool imho
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Havohej
Minmatar The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.04.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia i like to scramble people's pods, and then not pod them. just sit there; they don't leave until they self destruct or something more worthwhile presents itself.
probably griefing, definitely amusing.
omg what a **** thing to do.
I can't wait to do this myself.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.04.30 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Avaricia on 30/04/2008 22:24:58
Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Avaricia i like to scramble people's pods, and then not pod them. just sit there; they don't leave until they self destruct or something more worthwhile presents itself.
probably griefing, definitely amusing.
omg what a **** thing to do.
I can't wait to do this myself.
longest i've held someone is 1 hour 20 minutes
good way to pass time is to put one light drone and one armor rep drone on the pod, see which is stronger.
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Lurana Lay
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Posted - 2008.04.30 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lurana Lay on 30/04/2008 23:06:51 It's ALL about intent.
You can whack an Indy in Empire by suicide because you crave the iskies and be a pirate.
You can whack that same Indy in Empire by suicide in the hopes that you make some n00b cry and quit the game and you are a griefer.
You can dec an Empire rookie corp because they smacked you or because you have been contracted to do so, or want o drive them out of a specific system, etc and you are playing normally.
You can dec a rookie corp and beat the crap out them with the intent to make someones life miserable and suffer and you are a griefer.
In short: Intent to cause misery or suffering for it's own sake is griefing.
Simple enough. Don't believe me, go look it up.
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Mr Belevedere
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Posted - 2008.05.01 00:27:00 -
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Piracy becomes griefing when you start to drown in those sweet carebear tears
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.05.01 00:48:00 -
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The only killing you cant do is can baiting in starter systems, that can be bannable. -------------
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.05.01 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia longest i've held someone is 1 hour 20 minutes
good way to pass time is to put one light drone and one armor rep drone on the pod, see which is stronger.
Hahahah... Yeah, Can't say I've done that one, but I have just scrammed someone and used light drones to kill their ship...
Slow and painful ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Pegleg Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.01 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Harrow When does pirating, both low sec and high sec become griefing and land you with a ccp ban? Is there a "can and cant" list somewhere?
Refrain from resorting to real life threats.
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