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Paul Shakur Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Paul Shakur on 30/04/2008 23:19:08 Hi, I heard that RA, MASS and UNL loose some caps. First RA & MASS hot dropped SE in A-GPTM, then c0ven joined to party and hot dropped RA & MASS. Almost after party UNL joined and tried hot drop on c0ven & SE, but too late. I've also know that c0ven and SE held field and looted everything. Any details from involved parties? EDIT: Please guys without flame ;) ---------------------------- Impossible is possible CEO of Black Sun Shadow
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:08:00 - [2] somebody doesn't know what he's talking about. ---
Cpt Stellar Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Cpt Stellar on 30/04/2008 23:11:35 SE+Coven lost about 25-30 caps and RED+MASS+dunnowhat lost about 30 caps, battle was at deathstar POS belong to Mass, SE+Coven had much more support then REd&co. GF and such SE, Coven and Red boards down atm, i guess we get much more info abit later.
Dashboard Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:12:00 - [4] OP is a pile of hot drop.
Paul Shakur Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:13:00 - [5] Thank you very much Cpt Stellar :) As I said, I don't know details and can be wrong. So if you can give some nice write up of this amazing fight :) Thank you again ;) ---------------------------- Impossible is possible CEO of Black Sun Shadow
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:13:00 - [6] did the hot drop look like this hot drop
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Gneeznow did the hot drop look like this hot drop I dont think anything will ever beat that hot-drop tbh
Nuker PayBack Tenacious Danes Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:22:00 - [8] SE and Coven rughly 40caps + 100+support vs RA and MASS rougly 40caps + 5 support + large tower each side lost around 25-30 caps each (mainly all dreads. SE and Coven hold the field, with their last 10+caps and 80-90 support MASS killed of all wrekcs, so not much looting for SE and Coven. thx to SE and coven for a really nice fight, I really hope we get more of same kind :D cu all in space
Maxima Maxi Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:28:00 - [9] I have also seen UL carriers in my overview. Anyway GF to all involved
Nuker PayBack Tenacious Danes Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Maxima Maxi I have also seen UL carriers in my overview. Anyway GF to all involved our killboard has no UNL on it. so if there where any UNL, then they where not shooting on any of the losses you had. so not much help if they where there :D
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:38:00 - [11] Impossible everyone in stain sucks :( - Gob IXC Recruitment
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:58:00 - [12] i believe UNL were hanging about the rough area picking off people who were travling to and from. That's at least what it looked like. ---
Demonor Gallente Setenta Corp Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 00:45:00 - [13] damn missed another hell of a fight it seems :( This week is such a bad time for me no eve since RL has gotten in the way it happens. By looking at the killboard seemed like a intense battle Way to go all those who was involved hope you all had a great fight!
Paul Shakur Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 01:36:00 - [14] Originally by: Nuker PayBack SE and Coven rughly 40caps + 100+support vs RA and MASS rougly 40caps + 5 support + large tower each side lost around 25-30 caps each (mainly all dreads. SE and Coven hold the field, with their last 10+caps and 80-90 support MASS killed of all wrekcs, so not much looting for SE and Coven. thx to SE and coven for a really nice fight, I really hope we get more of same kind :D cu all in space Thank you for nice replay ;) ---------------------------- Impossible is possible CEO of Black Sun Shadow
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.01 02:05:00 - [15] wow, thats a lot of dead caps.
titanstory Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:17:00 - [16] any fraps ?
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:24:00 - [17] A year ago this thread would've broken the forums. Its been five hours and we're on page one :Q _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Rodent GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:28:00 - [18] Originally by: DigitalCommunist A year ago this thread would've broken the forums. Its been five hours and we're on page one :Q Capital inflation is getting the best of us.
monkeyking1 Caldari omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Gneeznow did the deffhot drop look like this hot drop deffo best hot drop ever
Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:33:00 - [20] Seemed to me an hell of a fight :) ------------------------------------------------------------------
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Rodent Originally by: DigitalCommunist A year ago this thread would've broken the forums. Its been five hours and we're on page one :Q Capital inflation is getting the best of us. I don't know what you're talking about. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Angelonico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:35:00 - [22] Anyone have any specifics on cap losses by both sides? I've heard a few things... sounded pretty epic.
Raham Pelennor Swarm Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 04:59:00 - [23] Originally by: DigitalCommunist A year ago this thread would've broken the forums. Its been five hours and we're on page one :Q Another problem is that it's all over a number of different killboards, so it's hard for the lazy (like me) to validate
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Water.	Posted - 2008.05.01 07:01:00 - [24] HOT DROP!! nannanananannnana HOT DROP!! nannanannanananaa (you know how it goes, it is the batman theme) /me turns on Lowa voice FRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
Banlish Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:00:00 - [25] Do we have a final count of what each side lost for those of us in the cheap seats?
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Gneeznow did the hot drop look like this hot drop I dont think anything will ever beat that hot-drop tbh Best-Bit-Of-TV-EVER.
Moto Guzzi	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:47:00 - [27] Edited by: Moto Guzzi on 01/05/2008 08:47:40 Battle Summary
hantwo S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Moto Guzzi Edited by: Moto Guzzi on 01/05/2008 08:47:40 Battle Summary 161 v 58 Why me eh?
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:12:00 - [29] haha nicely done u old nubbins :p *waves to old friends
Dire Lonestar Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:32:00 - [30] Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Moto Guzzi Edited by: Moto Guzzi on 01/05/2008 08:47:40 Battle Summary 161 v 58 161 vs 58 + a fully equipped DEATHSTAR. You missed something big.
Yogos GBTeam C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:52:00 - [31] xxx vs xxx lol. I see in all topics in caod that plp are really crazy about numbers. Situation here was simple: 1. SE atack MASS pos using dreadnoughts 2. RA fc know about se+c0ven support and decided to hot drop SE dreadnoughts near pos. 3. c0ven open cyno and jumped with backup EVE is not chess where you see all figures on board. FC both side moved their ships not knowing how much backup got opponent. One side think that RA can log titans to mop up our support and can have even more capitals ready to jump in. Other maybe don't know that c0ven have prepared capital fleet to jump in or think that we don't have balls to jump on grid when overview is full. At the end it was one of the biggest capital battle in EVE. ATM we got 43 confirmed dreadnoughts poped. And this number can be only higher. We must w8 until KB SE exit from reinforce :) Only capital battle with higher amount of poped caps was if i'm right(fell free to correct me) old north assault on bob "baby titan" capital ship yard. Both sides enjoyed fight lag was playeble so please don't smack. I regret that i wasn't there See you on battle field soon
Maxima Maxi Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:53:00 - [32] Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. ==============================================
Maxima Maxi Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:00:00 - [34] I am not worry about the damage but about the jamms and neuts my friend:) Anyway GF see u soon on the battlefield
thebold MASS	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:07:00 - [35] Edited by: thebold on 01/05/2008 10:07:59 For those that want to know this is what roughly happened (from our POV), After my roaming gang of 10 tech1 cruisers (were broke) made Amnya's gang run away in sheer fear in a4ug we went to MC space and found nothing, only to hear that SE was forming in A-g... So picked up the phone Dialed 999-RED to the response of "DAAAAAAAA", /me puts down phone, I do not need to know Russian to understand what he meant. SE made the first moved, they warped to the pos and began sniping of the scramblers, well had Nuker not of been a lazy ass and told us that we would of known there tactics. RA jumps into stain, and we only have cyno frig in a-g there which was lagged to the clappers that made a cyno down on top of there dreads, as our cap pilots (granted not many as half our cap fleet was on a pre-arranged op else where) entered the grid with RA pilots, SE dreads started warping off, it was confirmed 3 dreads got killed before the real fight started. In Came Coven caps on top of RA+MASS.. Battle continued, Out went SE to 4GQ Refit 3x damage mods for PVP (Whilst Coven being used once again by SE as a meat shield died helplessly until SE returned. MASS then brought in a further 4 caps, then after some cyno issues a further 10 RA dreads jumped in, battle continued... then came in another 3 carriers and 2 dreads from SE. At the end of the fight we lost basically all our dreads that were fielded and took lots of enemy caps with us. In the end there were approx 5 or so SE dreads left. The support fleet stayed and at this point started dieing to the pos, SE dreads jump out and SE support fleet leaves grid. End of fight, pos was not put in reinforced, Allot of fun and a great effort by everyone involved!:D. In total i think there were around 150 enemy vs 40 of us. Why doesn't this happen every night. :(
Maxima Maxi Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:21:00 - [36] Whilst Coven being used once again by SE as a meat shield died helplessly until SE returned. MASS then brought in a further 4 caps, then after some cyno issues a further 10 RA dreads jumped in, battle continued... then came in another 3 carriers and 2 dreads from SE. lol se didnt want us to jump in my friend, our fc ignore that and jump in to kill as many of RA as we could :) Now that 150 vs 40 its funny lolz
thebold MASS	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Maxima Maxi Now that 150 vs 40 its funny lolz We are used to it and so is RA, but it is the best type of fighting i think! Cannon to the right of them, cannon to the left, cannon in front of them, and then came a whip!
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. And neutralizes and lags out attackers and webs and scrambles and jams and provides safe haven for carriers and defendersà.. I take it you have not much experience of fighting at POS.
hantwo S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Yogos xxx vs xxx lol. I see in all topics in caod that plp are really crazy about numbers. Situation here was simple: 1. SE atack MASS pos using dreadnoughts 2. RA fc know about se+c0ven support and decided to hot drop SE dreadnoughts near pos. 3. c0ven open cyno and jumped with backup EVE is not chess where you see all figures on board. FC both side moved their ships not knowing how much backup got opponent. One side think that RA can log titans to mop up our support and can have even more capitals ready to jump in. Other maybe don't know that c0ven have prepared capital fleet to jump in or think that we don't have balls to jump on grid when overview is full. At the end it was one of the biggest capital battle in EVE. ATM we got 43 confirmed dreadnoughts poped. And this number can be only higher. We must w8 until KB SE exit from reinforce :) Only capital battle with higher amount of poped caps was if i'm right(fell free to correct me) old north assault on bob "baby titan" capital ship yard. Both sides enjoyed fight lag was playeble so please don't smack. I regret that i wasn't there See you on battle field soon I agree lets not talk about numbers again, i only LOL because i honestly didn't realise thats what the numbers were until i read your killboard. I havn't been able to post my carrier loss yet as the stupid mass killboard sucks donkeys ****. The lag was playable for me and it was a really nice fight thats all that counts really. Why me eh?
hantwo S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. And neutralizes and lags out attackers and webs and scrambles and jams and provides safe haven for carriers and defendersà.. I take it you have not much experience of fighting at POS. it lags out attackers and defenders thats pos, as for a safe haven if you saw the wrecks you would know that nobody had a chance of getting back in the pos. i got cynoed in 20k from the shields and never made it anywhere close to getting into the shields. Why me eh?
Maxima Maxi Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:56:00 - [41] On the other hand it makes me smile when i read some of the ppl saying stain is for loosers . Or when i read some of the battle reports involveing big alliances and containgng 5 caps kills. Look noobs elsewhere, we al roll with class in stain :P
Lenaria Caldari Ursa Ritor	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. And neutralizes and lags out attackers and webs and scrambles and jams and provides safe haven for carriers and defenders….. I take it you have not much experience of fighting at POS. It is rather you who just cant put numbers and is scared by own predjustice. 1-2 scramblers and single web on POS sure hurted a lot your dreads... 2-3 neutralizers when most dreads die with full capacitor... Look at killmails - in most POS is even not the highest damage dealer. So in essence POS made less damage than good fitted dread. P.S. In THIS PARTICULAR case, by all reports, lag was very minimal. That is why POS played very minor role even against support. ==============================================
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:08:00 - [43] Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. And neutralizes and lags out attackers and webs and scrambles and jams and provides safe haven for carriers and defendersà.. I take it you have not much experience of fighting at POS. it lags out attackers and defenders thats pos, as for a safe haven if you saw the wrecks you would know that nobody had a chance of getting back in the pos. i got cynoed in 20k from the shields and never made it anywhere close to getting into the shields. I am not talking about that specific POS as I was not there, what I was replying to was the comment that a deathstar POS has no more effect on the outcome than a single dread, which is clearly wrong. And typically the defenders are already loaded at the POS with the grid loaded and a **** ton of fighters out and the attackers suffer the most on warp in.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Lenaria Originally by: Maxima Maxi Many who lost their ships came back in new so thats add up a lot to the numbers :) Also like some 1 already said, deathstar didnt help us either Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. And neutralizes and lags out attackers and webs and scrambles and jams and provides safe haven for carriers and defendersà.. I take it you have not much experience of fighting at POS. It is rather you who just cant put numbers and is scared by own predjustice. 1-2 scramblers and single web on POS sure hurted a lot your dreads... 2-3 neutralizers when most dreads die with full capacitor... Look at killmails - in most POS is even not the highest damage dealer. So in essence POS made less damage than good fitted dread. P.S. In THIS PARTICULAR case, by all reports, lag was very minimal. That is why POS played very minor role even against support. A deathstar large faction POS that is manned by gunners can pretty much one shot BS set up for fleet action and as the majority of the coven/se gang was support rather than caps I would say that the POS would have a far greater effect than a single dread. Indeed that Pandemic Legion (iirc) faction POS took out multiple dreads by itself recently, would a single dread be able to kil multiple enemy dreads? No. I can see how you want to make this into a "look how blobbed we were" thread but you have to accept that the POS was a large factor here.
GallWidget	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:20:00 - [45] Edited by: GallWidget on 01/05/2008 11:21:45 Originally by: Lenaria Deathstar = 1 (one) dreadnaught in damage. Yeah, dread that has no lags and can beat you when you don't even turn on your hardners and whole tank... I also think that you have no idea about pos wars. We have killed one MASS dread (and almost second) when they have engaged our pos, only by...POS, nothing else. When dread run siege you can neutralize it, suck whole cap and easily beat him even with only POS Large guns. Most important value of POSes are gunners that control all POS modules and guns, when you focus those on proper targets it really helps. So don't tell me POS didn't take part in this battle.
Niedar MASS	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:03:00 - [46] ofc the tower took part in the fight, it just doesn't replace a support fleet that we did not have. ------------------
Tavernier R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:26:00 - [47] Edited by: Tavernier on 01/05/2008 12:26:35 Originally by: Moto Guzzi Edited by: Moto Guzzi on 01/05/2008 08:47:40 Battle Summary seems you are win :) nice killboard seems coven have rly good skills ))
Shinori GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:27:00 - [48] shut up shut up shut up gf
Guilty Man Minmatar Guilty People	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:30:00 - [49] After the battle: Linkage
hantwo S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Moto Guzzi Edited by: Moto Guzzi on 01/05/2008 08:47:40 Battle Summary thats not a battle summary... this is what it should look like http://killboard.newbie.se/?corpName[]=S.A.S&corpName[]=The%20Corporation&corpName[]=TEAMSTERS&corpName[]=Momentary%20Lapse%20of%20Reason&corpName[]=Victims%20of%20Confusion&corpName[]=Random%20Acts%20of%20Violence&corpName[]=Spartan%20Industries&corpName[]=Infortunatus%20Eventus&corpName[]=Omniscient%20Order&corpName[]=Itto-Ryu&corpName[]=The%20Rising%20Storm&corpName[]=GREY%20COUNCIL&corpName[]=Endgame.&corpName[]=Applied%20Eugenics&year=2008&week=18&page=battle_report&id=11 Why me eh?
semp Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:38:00 - [51] Great work C0ven and SE. Keep shooting them reds
Mar Drakar LDK Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:01:00 - [52] hantwo broke forums c/d? :) also meh for not being there -- Make your life worth dying. CEO LDK
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Maxima Maxi <snip> Look noobs elsewhere, we al roll with class in stain :P Always been so. Nice fight folks.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.05.01 16:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Mar Drakar hantwo broke forums c/d? :) also meh for not being there Deny. Clearly it was boldy. Aussie TZ pvp corp AuPac is recruiting
Yogos GBTeam C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.01 18:52:00 - [55] SE KB is UP. Total numbers: SE lost 14 dreadnoughts 1 carrier - 7 bs, 11 other support c0ven lost 9 drednoughts 1 carrier - 7 bs,14 interceptors +12 other support Red Aliance lost 19 dreadnoughts + some support MASS lost 5 dreadnoughts 3 carriers + some support c0ven+SE hold field but most wreck was shoot by MASS pos gunner before we loot.
RagnarH Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:17:00 - [56] I see Stain is still intresting, even with me gone to deal with new wars ----------------------------------- Corp 1 Allstars - Chief of Operations
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:21:00 - [57] Edited by: Starfall Hammer on 01/05/2008 19:21:39 .nvm
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente aurorae pacificas	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:28:00 - [58] Originally by: Yogos SE KB is UP. Total numbers: SE lost 14 dreadnoughts 1 carrier - 7 bs, 11 other support c0ven lost 9 drednoughts 1 carrier - 7 bs,14 interceptors +12 other support Red Aliance lost 19 dreadnoughts + some support MASS lost 5 dreadnoughts 3 carriers + some support c0ven+SE hold field but most wreck was shoot by MASS pos gunner before we loot. Sounds about right from what ive heard too. Pretty even really. I wonder how easy these sorts of losses are sustainable for all sides? This certainly isnt the first time that capitals have been heavily commited by both sides in the ongoing conflict and I truly believe that it will come down to a protracted and gritty war of attrition. Fun all round. I know id be bias to say my money is on MASS and RA but well, my money is on MASS and RA... Aussie TZ pvp corp AuPac is recruiting
Paul Shakur Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:37:00 - [59] So no UNL ivolved directly in this fight? I'm chainging topic name and sorry for any missunderstandings It was really nice battle. Waiting for some fraps if someone have ---------------------------- Impossible is possible CEO of Black Sun Shadow
Liam Fremen Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.05.02 08:57:00 - [60] UNL were camping the nearby system for avoiding "alone" reinforce to arrive. PS: it was crazy fun guys O_o
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.02 12:51:00 - [61] Sounds like a good fight - interesting putting that much bankroll in harms way over NPC space no?
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:47:00 - [62] Originally by: Lucius Ventrue Sounds like a good fight - interesting putting that much bankroll in harms way over NPC space no? The pos wasn't there to act like a giant ***** to show off an ego.
Voulture GBTeam C0VEN	Posted - 2008.05.02 16:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Originally by: Lucius Ventrue Sounds like a good fight - interesting putting that much bankroll in harms way over NPC space no? The pos wasn't there to act like a giant ***** to show off an ego. What? Why didnt you tell us earlier

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