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Gray Fellreaver	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:20:00 - [1] I'm soon to have the skills to pilot a revelation. I know the Dreads primary use is to take down POS's but i'd like to know if its worth using target painters with maxed out signature focusing skills to hit BS's or poss smaller ships?
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:22:00 - [2] Even with a TP, a Dreadnought will struggle to track a BS-sized target unless it is webbed, so damage will still be poor; don't even think aout trying to hit anything smaller thana capital if you are in siege mode! The only Dread that is really a threat to other ships is the Moros due to it's crazy drones bonus. FREE building, mining and POS spreadsheets
Jacob Holland Gallente 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:41:00 - [3] A dread with a good pilot is painful to BS fleets, even in siege; and the gunboat dreads, with a little help, are potent against a lot more than that. They aren't the most efficient tools for the job but there's a morale effect to being one volleyed by a sniping Moros (tracking and sensor boosted by a couple of Oneiros) before you can even warp off the gate. Having the skills to pilot a Revelation is a very different matter from having the skill to pilot a pulse Rev against other ships however... As to whether it's worth fitting a painter I'd have to say no, flying solo in any dread is not advisable and a couple of friends in Scimitars, Oneiros, Huggins, Rapiers or Hyenas are far more useful than the single painter on your dread. If you have a midslot free then look at the tracking guide to see whether, at the tracking and sig res of such mammoth guns, a painter or a tracking computer is the better option. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Jacob Holland A dread with a good pilot is painful to BS fleets, even in siege; and the gunboat dreads, with a little help, are potent against a lot more than that. They aren't the most efficient tools for the job but there's a morale effect to being one volleyed by a sniping Moros (tracking and sensor boosted by a couple of Oneiros) before you can even warp off the gate. Having the skills to pilot a Revelation is a very different matter from having the skill to pilot a pulse Rev against other ships however... As to whether it's worth fitting a painter I'd have to say no, flying solo in any dread is not advisable and a couple of friends in Scimitars, Oneiros, Huggins, Rapiers or Hyenas are far more useful than the single painter on your dread. If you have a midslot free then look at the tracking guide to see whether, at the tracking and sig res of such mammoth guns, a painter or a tracking computer is the better option. Theorycrafting at its best.
Arimai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Jacob Holland A dread with a good pilot is painful to BS fleets, even in siege; and the gunboat dreads, with a little help, are potent against a lot more than that. They aren't the most efficient tools for the job but there's a morale effect to being one volleyed by a sniping Moros (tracking and sensor boosted by a couple of Oneiros) before you can even warp off the gate. 'almost' correct. Please fill in the small holes i see though: - how long does a sieged dread take to lock a bs? - how high is rail-moros dps when unsieged? Or did you forget that tracking links dont work in siege?
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:53:00 - [6] Now i know, this will prolly get flamed but... Am i the only one who thinks dreads could do a lil better vs BS? not one shot kill em offcourse but would be nice if u could atleast defend yourselves against the biggest conventional shipclass impo afaik, only the moros is somewhat usefull for this cuz of it's drones. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Gray Fellreaver	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Jon Hawkes Even with a TP, a Dreadnought will struggle to track a BS-sized target unless it is webbed, so damage will still be poor; don't even think aout trying to hit anything smaller thana capital if you are in siege mode! The only Dread that is really a threat to other ships is the Moros due to it's crazy drones bonus. I kinda guessed that was the case, ah well. I've only trained amarr so the moros isn't really an option, just wish i could make more use of it
Jacob Holland Gallente 19th Star Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Gamesguy Theorycrafting at its best. Theorycraft? I might have said the same thing had I not seen IAC dread pilots 1vs1 ing Blasterthrons, gate sniping (with Navy Caracals to boost because IAC didn't have many Logistics pilots at the time) or sitting on The Distillery, dropping into and out of siege mode and causing all sorts of "Ow ow ow!" comments from the McFix pilots trying to lock the system down. -- Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Gray Fellreaver	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Jacob Holland Originally by: Gamesguy Theorycrafting at its best. Theorycraft? I might have said the same thing had I not seen IAC dread pilots 1vs1 ing Blasterthrons, gate sniping (with Navy Caracals to boost because IAC didn't have many Logistics pilots at the time) or sitting on The Distillery, dropping into and out of siege mode and causing all sorts of "Ow ow ow!" comments from the McFix pilots trying to lock the system down. That makes me feel better bout gettin one, i will have support from my corp buddies so i'm hoping it'll make a difference if ever its needed.
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Jacob Holland They aren't the most efficient tools for the job but there's a morale effect to being one volleyed by a sniping Moros (tracking and sensor boosted by a couple of Oneiros) before you can even warp off the gate. You can't remote boost or repair a Dread when it's in siege mode. Taken from the item database for the Siege Module: Quote: This also means that friendly remote effects will not work while in siege mode either FREE building, mining and POS spreadsheets

ThatCpp Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.05.01 13:58:00 - [11] You are better off using double fleeting/t2/faction webs. Webs are always better than painters and if you intend to fight sub capital targets with a dread tackling gear is very important.
Bronson Hughes The KAOS Holdings Group	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 01/05/2008 14:25:19 Originally by: 000Hunter000 Now i know, this will prolly get flamed but... Am i the only one who thinks dreads could do a lil better vs BS? not one shot kill em offcourse but would be nice if u could atleast defend yourselves against the biggest conventional shipclass impo afaik, only the moros is somewhat usefull for this cuz of it's drones. No you're not. I posted a thread in the Game Development section a while back with some ideas for changing Capital weapons and introducing a new tier of Dreadnoughts. Long story short, I suggested that Capital weapons get a damage boost but that the damage bonus from Siege Modules be dropped by the same amount; this would allow Dreads to be somewhat more useful out of Siege Mode but not change their damage while in Siege Mode. My new suggested Tier of Dreads would be smaller, lighter, and easier to build than current Dreads, have a jump range equal to Carriers, and serve primarily as Carrier Escorts and light POS shooters. Go have a look. Originally by: ThatCpp You are better off using double fleeting/t2/faction webs. Webs are always better than painters and if you intend to fight sub capital targets with a dread tackling gear is very important. Yes. Fitting said webs to another ship is even better so you can get a little more range on your target. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Captator Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:44:00 - [13] there is a video by 'skywalker' in the videos section of the forum (might have to go back a few pages) in which he solos in a naglfar :) dual web dual painter as far as I can remember


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