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Heartcarver X Bane X Soldiers Of New Eve	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:37:00 - [31] I'd be happy to sell you a pimped out nightmare and get it off my hands ^^ T2 Rigs, faction / officer mods. It's just sitting in high sec doing nothing atm
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Red Harvest Im really suriprised no one used Cormack's Modified PDS so far. Maybe because Chelms and Dracliras are better Originally by: Alowishus For PVE that might be a good option, though try a Flux Coil if your going strictly for cap/sec. Do your homework better on PvE stuff and you know that officer PDUs beat cap fluxes even for strict cap/s. They have immensely boosted cap regen multis over normal PDUs.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Dearest Wish no where in the thread tittle is PvP mentioned. If you want a PvP nightmare, fly an Abaddon. That'd work really well with my Crystal set! The Nightmare is actually a good PvP ship and you don't need all the officer loot, just a Gist XL and you can do a lot of DPS and still have a better tank than anything. It's just not practical. But some people in Eve have the ISK to be impractical. My mistake on the PvP thing, I thought that was what the OP was looking for. I apologize for this. Your PVE setup is still ****. When I saw three Invuls I wrote you off as a complete nubtard, not only because 3x Damage Type Hardeners would be better in 99% of situations but also because 2x Amp + 2x Invul is always better than 1x/3x. This would also give you more cap, since it's so important to you. You can call me an EFT warrior but my track record in Eve in PvP and PVE is fairly proven. About the only time I use EFT is on the billion ISK ships that are too expensive to just "try out". Everything else I use has been devised in game, collectively, by me and my corp through trial and error. I admit I made a mistake as far as the goals of the OP, but I think you need to relax.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:11:00 - [34] Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 19:12:26 Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 19:11:49 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Do your homework better on PvE stuff and you know that officer PDUs beat cap fluxes even for strict cap/s. They have immensely boosted cap regen multis over normal PDUs. Speaking in terms of T2 Flux vs. T2 PDU (or Faction, like TS PDU), as I was, the Flux wins as far as cap/second. Just for the sake of argument I pulled up a blank Nightmare and tested both. 2x PDU II = 28.2 Cap/Sec (my skills) 2x Flux II = 31.7 Cap/Sec (my skills) Since there are no officer Flux Coils, obviously ultimately a Chelm PDU will win. In that sense you're right. Obviously there's more to life than EFT. I don't know enough of the math to figure most of it out, however, so I default back to what EFT tells me on cap recharge.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Alowishus Speaking in terms of T2 Flux vs. T2 PDU (or Faction, like TS PDU), as I was No, you weren't. Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 18:25:10 Originally by: Red Harvest Im really suriprised no one used Cormack's Modified PDS so far. For PVE that might be a good option, though try a Flux Coil if your going strictly for cap/sec. This is quite clearly directly saying cap fluxes are better at cap/sec than Cormacks PDU. And yes, I am fairly bored, downloading a 600mb patch for a game is quite 4tl.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:20:00 - [36] Well I'd fit a pith shieldbooster for PvP and use t2 megapulses generaly...though II haven't had the chance totake mine for a pvp spin yet. I wouldn't move it without a nice support gang and a mwd though. Not an undock/dock fan. I believe the "essential" but not overly expensive modules would be a pith: a-type em hardner, a-type shieldamp, a-type XL shieldbooster and 2xDG invulns (domi or better mwd and t2 hvy capinjector in the last medslots). A single officer PDU and 3ts heatsinks+dcu2 in the lows (or domination tracking enhnacer if you prefer). Rigs 2xCCC t2's and 1x t1 shield sa***uard (-% to shieldbooster capuse) thingy.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Alowishus Speaking in terms of T2 Flux vs. T2 PDU (or Faction, like TS PDU), as I was No, you weren't. Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 18:25:10 Originally by: Red Harvest Im really suriprised no one used Cormack's Modified PDS so far. For PVE that might be a good option, though try a Flux Coil if your going strictly for cap/sec. This is quite clearly directly saying cap fluxes are better at cap/sec than Cormacks PDU. You win. I did say that about the Cormack and not the TS. My bad.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 19:41:00 - [38] Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 19:43:37 Originally by: ElCoCo Well I'd fit a pith shieldbooster for PvP and use t2 megapulses generaly...though II haven't had the chance totake mine for a pvp spin yet. I wouldn't move it without a nice support gang and a mwd though. Not an undock/dock fan. I believe the "essential" but not overly expensive modules would be a pith: a-type em hardner, a-type shieldamp, a-type XL shieldbooster and 2xDG invulns (domi or better mwd and t2 hvy capinjector in the last medslots). A single officer PDU and 3ts heatsinks+dcu2 in the lows (or domination tracking enhnacer if you prefer). Rigs 2xCCC t2's and 1x t1 shield sa*uard (-% to shieldbooster capuse) thingy. The thing I found was that with the Gist and 2x Boost Amps, you could also fit the Operational Solidifier, rather than more CCCs, and in the end you had a better tank and nicer cap than with the Pith stuff. Compare: [Nightmare, your setup] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System Damage Control II Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type Photon Scattering Field Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Domination 100MN MicroWarpdrive Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit II Core Defence Capacitor Sauard I 1129/1768 tank that lasts 2min 28sec full tilt (MWD turned off). -vs.- [Nightmare, slightly revised setup] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System Damage Control II Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Domination 100MN MicroWarpdrive Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Capacitor Sauard I Core Defence Capacitor Sa*uard I 1792/1848 tank that lasts 24min 28sec full tilt (MWD turned off). I'm still trying to figure out a good Pith setup.
Dearest Wish State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Alowishus My mistake on the PvP thing, I thought that was what the OP was looking for. I apologize for this. Your PVE setup is still ****. When I saw three Invuls I wrote you off as a complete nubtard, not only because 3x Damage Type Hardeners would be better in 99% of situations but also because 2x Amp + 2x Invul is always better than 1x/3x. This would also give you more cap, since it's so important to you. You can call me an EFT warrior but my track record in Eve in PvP and PVE is fairly proven. About the only time I use EFT is on the billion ISK ships that are too expensive to just "try out". Everything else I use has been devised in game, collectively, by me and my corp through trial and error. I admit I made a mistake as far as the goals of the OP, but I think you need to relax. Hahahahah.. Holy mother of christ, how can you be this stupid. It's impressive. You fit 3x Invuls just as a sign to fit 2 First damage and 1 Secondary. Just an FYI that's a slight modification of Waaaga's infamous nightmare. Once again you prove you don't know jack sht. You're trash.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:47:00 - [40] Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 20:47:20 Originally by: Dearest Wish Hahahahah.. Holy mother of christ, how can you be this stupid. It's impressive. You fit 3x Invuls just as a sign to fit 2 First damage and 1 Secondary. Just an FYI that's a slight modification of Waaaga's infamous nightmare. Once again you prove you don't know jack sht. You're trash. Sorry, to me 3x Invuls means 3x Invuls. I must not be familiar with the lexicon you****wad PVErs use to communicate with each other and I have no clue who Waaaga is, though I am sure he is PVE god. Which makes him nothing to everyone else in Eve. Where's that leave you? Again I think you need to relax, because even still, your setup sucks.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.05.02 20:48:00 - [41] 1 or 2 setups here close to what I have setup on my nightmare I swap out the beams but atm current setup Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser x 4 Draclira's Modified Heavy Energy Neut Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Estamel's Modified Invul Field / Est Photon field > all Estamel's fittings for Shield. Draclira's Modified Heat Sink x 2 Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger x 2 Draclira's PDS CCC IIs Some other stuff can't think of the top of my head.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:24:00 - [42] I see a lot of slots wasted on cap mods. Not needed for L4's. Low: 3x HS 2x TE Med: Pith L / Gist XL Boost Amp (Not needed with highend Gist XL) 3x Hards Cap booster TC/AB/Web (But if you're gonna need a web, maybe you'd be better off with Pulses instead?) High: 4x Tach Tractor Drone aug / remrep / NOS / Autotargetter (for more targets) Rigs: 3x CCC (Maybe you could get away with 2x CCC, 1x Locus Coordinator, to push Multifreq over 50km optimal. 5 Meds, 1 Sentry/HwyWebber You can fit 19x 800's in the hold, more then enough for any mission. half the mission don't need a single cap charge. It also has room for a few extra mercs and some quafe, if you're doing L4's. Of course, if you're worried about suicide ganks, maybe add DCU. Not that it will matter for a pricey fit, nothing can protect you from a well organized gank.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Qui Shon I see a lot of slots wasted on cap mods. Not needed for L4's. With the DPS it outputs I don't see why everyone is so concerned with being 100% cap stable. What's the point of having a ship that can do that DPS if it's still going from acceleration gate to acceleration gate at a whopping 140m/s? You guys have tanks that the rats you're shooting couldn't break half of. Have you guys found the secret L4.5 missions?
Juana Hakalugi	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:51:00 - [44] Edited by: Juana Hakalugi on 02/05/2008 21:52:01 Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 20:47:20 Originally by: Dearest Wish Hahahahah.. Holy mother of christ, how can you be this stupid. It's impressive. You fit 3x Invuls just as a sign to fit 2 First damage and 1 Secondary. Just an FYI that's a slight modification of Waaaga's infamous nightmare. Once again you prove you don't know jack sht. You're trash. Sorry, to me 3x Invuls means 3x Invuls. I must not be familiar with the lexicon you****wad PVErs use to communicate with each other and I have no clue who Waaaga is, though I am sure he is PVE god. Which makes him nothing to everyone else in Eve. Where's that leave you? Again I think you need to relax, because even still, your setup sucks. You're really making an impressive case ITT http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=11198
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:03:00 - [45] Again, even against Sansha's/Bloods I think it's overkill. I'd fit at least an AB, if not an MWD, otherwise why not just fly a Drake? The evidence that it "does all L4" missions is meaningless, of course it does! The tank is way overkill! Initially I said the setup sucked because I thought it was for PvP, as I thought it was a PvP thread. I was mistaken, not sure how many times I can say this. Even still, for missions, I could not come with a setup that tanked more DPS and was cap stable forever. Kudos for that, although six month old players do it in a Drake and do every L4 mission. If I am spending billions on a ship that does 1000dps, I want it to do missions as fast as possible, this does not mean a permcap and 140m/s. Sorry. With the DPS you should be able to get away with a tank that does around 600 DPS on Sansha's/Bloods, naturally this will translate even higher to any other NPC type. Sorry if I came off in some way which I did not intend, I made a mistake about whether this thread was for a PvP Nightmare and I got excited about it because I was thinking of buying one. However, this was no reason for me to suffer personal attacks from some noob with a one dimensional view of Eve. Guess that's what happens when I get involved in arguments with 13-year-olds.
Juana Hakalugi	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Alowishus Again, even against Sansha's/Bloods I think it's overkill. I'd fit at least an AB, if not an MWD, otherwise why not just fly a Drake? The evidence that it "does all L4" missions is meaningless, of course it does! The tank is way overkill! Initially I said the setup sucked because I thought it was for PvP, as I thought it was a PvP thread. I was mistaken, not sure how many times I can say this. Even still, for missions, I could not come with a setup that tanked more DPS and was cap stable forever. Kudos for that, although six month old players do it in a Drake and do every L4 mission. If I am spending billions on a ship that does 1000dps, I want it to do missions as fast as possible, this does not mean a permcap and 140m/s. Sorry. With the DPS you should be able to get away with a tank that does around 600 DPS on Sansha's/Bloods, naturally this will translate even higher to any other NPC type. Sorry if I came off in some way which I did not intend, I made a mistake about whether this thread was for a PvP Nightmare and I got excited about it because I was thinking of buying one. However, this was no reason for me to suffer personal attacks from some noob with a one dimensional view of Eve. Guess that's what happens when I get involved in arguments with 13-year-olds. Originally by: Alowishus Again I think you need to relax, because even still, your setup sucks. Chill man, I didn't say your setup sucked. I just said it sucked. No need to call me out on the fact that I should have bowed out of this thread in shame 15 posts again. Guyssss.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:20:00 - [47] Wow sarcasm. Fantastic job. I still maintain his setup sucks. Never said it didn't. It's a fine example of exactly what a 75 mil Drake can do. You don't need to tank 900dps if you can do 900dps. Call me crazy but I'd do less of a tank since I paid a billion ISK so that I could.
Helen coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.02 22:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Alowishus Wow sarcasm. Fantastic job. I still maintain his setup sucks. Never said it didn't. It's a fine example of exactly what a 75 mil Drake can do. You don't need to tank 900dps if you can do 900dps. Call me crazy but I'd do less of a tank since I paid a billion ISK so that I could. more like people are so scared of losing billions of isk they fit overkill tanks. also they are good at pvp. Nightmare kill!!!11!!
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.02 23:15:00 - [49] You got outdamaged by Sku1ly of all people. Then again I bet he was the one that found the gank thron in the first place.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 00:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Alowishus 1129/1768 tank that lasts 2min 28sec full tilt (MWD turned off). -vs.- 1792/1848 tank that lasts 24min 28sec full tilt (MWD turned off). Yeah it looks good but ofcourse gets more expensive. I wasn't thinking of chelm's PDU in any way, more like a brokara's just to be able to fit something good in the 2 highslots. And the a-type gist, overpowered as we all know it is, is 1(?) bil extra over the pith. Realy like this ship, though I think I have found true love with the bhaalgorn now
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.03 01:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Helen more like people are so scared of losing billions of isk they fit overkill tanks. also they are good at pvp. Nightmare kill!!!11!! You have my respect. It takes some balls to have a track record in a Pirate BS. The more and more I think about it the more I want one.

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