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Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.05.02 13:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Pteranodon on 02/05/2008 13:23:22 I know this thread will get me flamed but I really want to have my 10 penny worth. The people who play Eve can be split into two groups with the ultimate objective of having fun & it is how we define having fun. Is it risky fun- more rewards or safe fun where the rewards are less but you don't get blown up by some PVP player who thinks it is cool to kill you in your fine billion ISK ship loaded with officer mods. Here is my thought- mission runners upon accepting a mission should be given an option- safe fun or risky fun. Risky fun pays the normal mission rates but safe fun only pays a fraction of that. Safe fun takes place in a sandbox-deadspace- with the gate locked and only open to you or your fleet. Nobody can enter-it is your space & thus you get to play the game the way you want to play it. I pay CCP to play this superb game & when we view the licence agreement we play to the rules as ordained by CCP but as a paying customer I reserve the right to try & keep my assets intact & I don't always want the constant worry of being ganked. Sometimes I might want the worry for bigger rewards but sometimes I just want to relax & that choice is not given currently. It's just a thought so don't flame me too much. Best wishes to you all- however you play- and that includes the mission runner hunters who are going to kill me oneday.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.02 13:59:00 - [2] You know, that is already in game. Just run missions in a 0.8 or higher sec system, and you won't have to worry about suiciders as they will be pretty much instajammed by concord. Of course, your mission rewards and LP will suck accordingly, but well, like you said you won't have everything. And really if you run an expensive high end setup, your main income is the bounties anyway.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:06:00 - [3] [I probably ought to point out that I'm a carebear before I defend the high-sec is risky position.] One of the things CCP has always said is that they don't want instances in their game. If you can go and do something, then so can anyone else - providing that they can find you. It's so fundamental to the Eve/CCP philosophy that going back on this - like going back on the "one one cluster" doctrine - would surely mark the beginning of the end for the way things are in Eve. Eve is Eve because you're never safe, because there's no way of guaranteeing that you don't have to interact with your fellow pod pilots. If you start to change that, then you change the soul of eve. Having said all that, if you want to play in a safe place just don't fit 1 billion ISK of officer mods to your raven. And don't run missions in Motsu. I've run missions for weeks in a mostly CN-fit CNR without seeing a single gank. It's a shame that EvE is the only decent internet spaceships MMO around. There's clearly an opening for a rival with more WoW-like risk models. [And yes, I know there's a Chinese cluster disproving the validity of the "one cluster" doctrine. But I am ignoring it for the sake of argument.]
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Emily Spankratchet [I probably ought to point out that I'm a carebear before I defend the high-sec is risky position.] One of the things CCP has always said is that they don't want instances in their game. If you can go and do something, then so can anyone else - providing that they can find you. It's so fundamental to the Eve/CCP philosophy that going back on this - like going back on the "one one cluster" doctrine - would surely mark the beginning of the end for the way things are in Eve. Eve is Eve because you're never safe, because there's no way of guaranteeing that you don't have to interact with your fellow pod pilots. If you start to change that, then you change the soul of eve. Having said all that, if you want to play in a safe place just don't fit 1 billion ISK of officer mods to your raven. And don't run missions in Motsu. I've run missions for weeks in a mostly CN-fit CNR without seeing a single gank. It's a shame that EvE is the only decent internet spaceships MMO around. There's clearly an opening for a rival with more WoW-like risk models. [And yes, I know there's a Chinese cluster disproving the validity of the "one cluster" doctrine. But I am ignoring it for the sake of argument.] I'm not looking to change the game mechanics only to allow people an option- take it or leave it. High risk-high rewards-low risk low rewards. I'm not sure about this statement so correct me if I'm wrong but if you are missioning in deadspace & a neut gets in & attacks you I doubt whether you would see concord but I could be wrong.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Sinder Ohm on 02/05/2008 15:00:47 it is a change to game mechanics, you will no longer be fair game in ur "instance" and thus escape any chance of being killed there. Therfore its a game mechanic change. edit: concord always come its just a matter of time. (unless ur wardecced)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.02 17:45:00 - [6] if it wasn't so damn easy to fit up a raven with all tech 2 gear and tech 1 rigs and successfully run level 4 missions then you might have had a point. you are probably better off just quitting and giving me your stuff.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.02 17:46:00 - [7] oh and you are in a sandbox, its my ccp given right to kick sand in your face if I so wish
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.02 18:24:00 - [8] Flying a billion isk ship is a risk in itself, and you're amply rewarded by the fact that you're completing missions faster than someone in a vanilla T2 fit. If you don't like it, maybe you should sell your precious officer mods and go back to flying a bog-standard Raven so that the nasty gankers will leave you alone - but then I guess you'd actually have to pay attention in missions instead of switching on your 1k DPS perma-tank and going AFK...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.03 02:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Spud Gunn Flying a billion isk ship is a risk in itself, and you're amply rewarded by the fact that you're completing missions faster than someone in a vanilla T2 fit. If you don't like it, maybe you should sell your precious officer mods and go back to flying a bog-standard Raven so that the nasty gankers will leave you alone - but then I guess you'd actually have to pay attention in missions instead of switching on your 1k DPS perma-tank and going AFK... i go went afk in missions with a lsbII tank, t1 sba, 4x t1 hardeners now when i mission i have the permaboost xl tank, and that can go afk even easier
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.03 07:27:00 - [10] You dont need a 47563785y74685 billion ISK State Raven to do lvl 4 missions, my regular raven with named launchers, T2 tank (except for booster and boost amp) does it fine.
Helen coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.03 08:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton oh and you are in a sandbox, its my ccp given right to kick sand in your face if I so wish thread winner that is all.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 08:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Hanneshannes You dont need a 47563785y74685 billion ISK State Raven to do lvl 4 missions, my regular raven with named launchers, T2 tank (except for booster and boost amp) does it fine. Just like you don't need a 975094375864 billion m/s****abond for PvP, a T2 fitted Stabber does it fine...
Malxort Minmatar Paradox Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:43:00 - [13] But does a t2 fitted stabber have a speed bonus? Its not really fair to compare t2 ship and faction ships. Also, the vagabond goes 3-6 km/s faster the CNR does 60 more dps for about 4x the price, faction fit it and you've got a much higher multiplier.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Hanneshannes You dont need a 47563785y74685 billion ISK State Raven to do lvl 4 missions, my regular raven with named launchers, T2 tank (except for booster and boost amp) does it fine. Just like you don't need a 975094375864 billion m/s****abond for PvP, a T2 fitted Stabber does it fine... I wouldn't go as far as comparing PvE and PvP.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:21:00 - [15] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 03/05/2008 12:21:49 Originally by: Hanneshannes Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Hanneshannes You dont need a 47563785y74685 billion ISK State Raven to do lvl 4 missions, my regular raven with named launchers, T2 tank (except for booster and boost amp) does it fine. Just like you don't need a 975094375864 billion m/s****abond for PvP, a T2 fitted Stabber does it fine... I wouldn't go as far as comparing PvE and PvP. The point I am trying to make is that optimizing your setup and squeezing the last ounce out of it by throwing some isk at it should be a viable course in both PvP and PvE. Even if you don't need it, it helps and makes the game more fun. Now I know the PvP types cannot for the life of them imagine how PvE can be fun, but this might be news to you, people are different, with different tastes and interests... Saying you don't need to multibil ship for L4s is EXACTLY the same thing as saying you don't need a Vagabond for PvP. Of course you can finish missions even in a T1 Raven. Just like you can PvP and nano in a Stabber. But going back from a pimp CNR to run missions in a T2 Raven is exactly as much fun as going back to a Stabber from a Vaga. And now honestly tell me you would really enjoy that (if you fly a Vaga that is). And tbh a pimp Vaga jumping into a bubblecamp in 0.0 has a much higher survival chance than a pimp mission ship jumping into a suicide gang in highsec. And if that isn't wrong, what is?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:23:00 - [16] I can't believe nobody said this one yet, what the hell's wrong with you people, you're getting soft... "So, you want the option to INSTANCE your dungeon for slightly less rewards? WoW -> that way"
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 03/05/2008 12:21:49 Originally by: Hanneshannes Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Hanneshannes You dont need a 47563785y74685 billion ISK State Raven to do lvl 4 missions, my regular raven with named launchers, T2 tank (except for booster and boost amp) does it fine. Just like you don't need a 975094375864 billion m/s****abond for PvP, a T2 fitted Stabber does it fine... I wouldn't go as far as comparing PvE and PvP. The point I am trying to make is that optimizing your setup and squeezing the last ounce out of it by throwing some isk at it should be a viable course in both PvP and PvE. Even if you don't need it, it helps and makes the game more fun. Now I know the PvP types cannot for the life of them imagine how PvE can be fun, but this might be news to you, people are different, with different tastes and interests... Saying you don't need to multibil ship for L4s is EXACTLY the same thing as saying you don't need a Vagabond for PvP. Of course you can finish missions even in a T1 Raven. Just like you can PvP and nano in a Stabber. But going back from a pimp CNR to run missions in a T2 Raven is exactly as much fun as going back to a Stabber from a Vaga. And now honestly tell me you would really enjoy that (if you fly a Vaga that is). And tbh a pimp Vaga jumping into a bubblecamp in 0.0 has a much higher survival chance than a pimp mission ship jumping into a suicide gang in highsec. And if that isn't wrong, what is? Eh exactly, I wouldn't consider it fun if I had to fear being suicide ganked every time I pressed the undock button or flying about being paranoid all the time, having my scanner open in a mission to see if someone is following me and so on and so forth.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.05.03 14:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Hanneshannes Eh exactly, I wouldn't consider it fun if I had to fear being suicide ganked every time I pressed the undock button or flying about being paranoid all the time, having my scanner open in a mission to see if someone is following me and so on and so forth. This is exactly what living in 0.0 is like. Some find it fun. Others don't. Personally, I like it some of the time, but not all of the time. "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." - CCP Wrangler
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.03 14:31:00 - [19] In that case, the worst thing was to introduce everyone to empire <_< Ppl get used to it, there should be some 30 day timer, after that you get thrown out of empire lol.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.05.03 16:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 03/05/2008 16:22:15 Quote: I reserve the right to try & keep my assets intact BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. You have no such right. If you don't want to get killed, then don't undock.
Rhak Amharr Minmatar Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:43:00 - [21] I should be given an option too: The I-win-button. After all, the game is designed to be a sandbox where I can do everything I want, so why can't I click an I-win-button when things get rough? Sounds like a pretty stupid definition of "everything". Gief! Rhak
Hayward Cyprus Caldari Cyprus Limited	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:36:00 - [22] They should simply fix risk vs. reward. High sec ganking = no risk, hence it needs to be fixed. Hayward Cyprus
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Hanneshannes Eh exactly, I wouldn't consider it fun if I had to fear being suicide ganked every time I pressed the undock button or flying about being paranoid all the time, having my scanner open in a mission to see if someone is following me and so on and so forth. But you do have to. So why are you here?
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Hayward Cyprus They should simply fix risk vs. reward. High sec ganking = no risk, hence it needs to be fixed. Hayward Cyprus The risk is that more than half of the modules in the juicy CNR will be vaporized in the explosion. So you never know if you're going to get the officer modules or just some crappy faction ammo. That's real risk.

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