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Fragm	Posted - 2004.04.27 10:44:00 - [1] <--- as killed by zombie in altar (Lost Raven) nothing i could do about it, thats why there is insurance USE IT and if u dont want to die then you are safer in higher level sec space stay there. Great show zombie guys i had fun working out what the hell was going on just swoping book marks at the time so was not looking at radar or anything caught me with my ass hanging out. as far as i am concened if it is in the game live with it I spoke in depth with a gm about it all and THEY ARE NOT USING AN EXPLOIT just great tactics O and also if i ever see a zombie guy you are all dead!!! hehehe :) let the PVP begin! Cao Cao > Alright well I checked the logs, and I got wtfpwned, I admit I was wrong, nice kill guys OK i made a post Flame away
meowcat	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Fragm <--- as killed by zombie in altar (Lost Raven) nothing i could do about it, thats why there is insurance USE IT and if u dont want to die then you are safer in higher level sec space stay there. Great show zombie guys i had fun working out what the hell was going on just swoping book marks at the time so was not looking at radar or anything caught me with my ass hanging out. as far as i am concened if it is in the game live with it I spoke in depth with a gm about it all and THEY ARE NOT USING AN EXPLOIT just great tactics O and also if i ever see a zombie guy you are all dead!!! hehehe :) let the PVP begin! what he said don't know zombie as i'm a noob, but fear of them, and their ilk is what makes this game interesting i will destroy them all with my mighty imicus ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Loka	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:21:00 - [3] Just target jamm or dampen their support ships and they will die through the hand of sentrys in seconds You dont need ships bigger than frigates for this job _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:39:00 - [4] Zombie Inc has at least made a name. There was a recent discussion about Atlar, that went a bit off limits. I was sent to that system by an agent. I saw the numbers of destroyed ships, but thought "hell, I'm driving a bs with mwds. It's surely only miner hold-ups and afk-indy ganking". I arrived at the gate and took a snoop around. Ok. Triple outlaws on my scanner. No probs really. One click on my mwd and I should be in warp allready. But then I looked at the info. "Zombies?! Ohhh noos. They surely tank some sentries or have found another way to web me." I saw one 70km away from me and two 10km away from me. Assuming the sentries was back at 150km range, those 10km away from was prolly not placed there to scoop loot from the long ranger. I ended up warping to the mission bookmark (no problem really, one click on the mwd, and your're gone). Do the mission. Watching local and finding a lot of zombies around. So I ended up logging of there and logging on in the morning when the system was virtual empty. I didn't want to risk going straight into their web, when I knew what they were cabable to. And according to the long thread earlier on this forum, I was right :) I switched to an less effective agent a bit away from molden heat, I can't be arsed to be ganked every day just because an agent sends me to Zombieland. But I don't complain, I just avoid battle with experienced pvp'ers as much as I can. Good job making a name!
Karmic	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:40:00 - [5] Would you like to rethink that tactic ? Remembering that jamming/dampning is an agressive act and means your poor ickle frigate will be blown to hell and back by sentry guns. You could do it with griffins and try to keep outta range of the sentries. - - - - - - - - -
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:40:00 - [6] If you target jamm the support ships concord will gank you ;(
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2004.04.27 11:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Lao Tzu If you target jamm the support ships concord will gank you ;( Since when did concord patrol 0.4? :)
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.27 12:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Fragm <--- as killed by zombie in altar (Lost Raven) nothing i could do about it, thats why there is insurance USE IT and if u dont want to die then you are safer in higher level sec space stay there. Great show zombie guys i had fun working out what the hell was going on just swoping book marks at the time so was not looking at radar or anything caught me with my ass hanging out. as far as i am concened if it is in the game live with it I spoke in depth with a gm about it all and THEY ARE NOT USING AN EXPLOIT just great tactics O and also if i ever see a zombie guy you are all dead!!! hehehe :) let the PVP begin! I don't know what bugs me more, people that start screaming exploit when they get ganked, or people that post that it was great fun and that you thank them for destroying you. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Fragm	Posted - 2004.04.27 12:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Fragm <--- as killed by zombie in altar (Lost Raven) nothing i could do about it, thats why there is insurance USE IT and if u dont want to die then you are safer in higher level sec space stay there. Great show zombie guys i had fun working out what the hell was going on just swoping book marks at the time so was not looking at radar or anything caught me with my ass hanging out. as far as i am concened if it is in the game live with it I spoke in depth with a gm about it all and THEY ARE NOT USING AN EXPLOIT just great tactics O and also if i ever see a zombie guy you are all dead!!! hehehe :) let the PVP begin! I don't know what bugs me more, people that start screaming exploit when they get ganked, or people that post that it was great fun and that you thank them for destroying you. I did not thank them for destroying me i was well ****ed, i just said that it was great tact, u fool read what i put and then comment dont just come in spouting off trying to look good just makes you look the fool you are. the reason for the post was because everyone was moaning about them and what they did i thought it was part of eve so i posted what i thought. next time you reply read the post first u moron Cao Cao > Alright well I checked the logs, and I got wtfpwned, I admit I was wrong, nice kill guys OK i made a post Flame away
Mikesnail	Posted - 2004.04.27 12:21:00 - [10] they certainly keep us on our toes, makes the game that bit more interestin imo. I lost my scorp to em, tho not at a gate, was warpin round belts when i warped right on top of two of there scorps, knowing what would happen i began to lock as i alligned for warp, jammed one, and managed to warp to station, big mistake! next thing my scanner fills with names, and as far as i am aware, this is what i had on my ass, 2 or 3 scorps, a megathron, a tempest and an interceptor =) ripped me up in seconds, escaped with my pod mind. Was certainly the most eventful part of the evening for me. tought me a lesson, n thats what counts.

Heinky	Posted - 2004.04.27 12:44:00 - [11] Thank you very much, Please come again
Chepe Nolon	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Heinky Thank you very much, Please come again Heh. Not without a fleet.
Dark Messiah	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:03:00 - [13] as it is classed as an agressive act to sensor dampen, then i think the sentrys should have an affective defence for this. let them go do there gate camping **** in 0.0 where it belongs and where it is excepted
dreddish	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:12:00 - [14] ha ha fragm - how could you "have fun" watching your raven blow up? QUALITY !!
Fragm	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Messiah as it is classed as an agressive act to sensor dampen, then i think the sentrys should have an affective defence for this. let them go do there gate camping ** in 0.0 where it belongs and where it is excepted why part of the game is the unexcepted, and if you can do it then why not? i think it was stupid they were all banned from the game for YUL event its CCP's fault for letting it go on not their fault for being able to do it! how can it be considered an exploit if they are using legit equipment to carry it out even if they are **ing people off. Cao Cao > Alright well I checked the logs, and I got wtfpwned, I admit I was wrong, nice kill guys OK i made a post Flame away
Loka	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Karmic Would you like to rethink that tactic ? Remembering that jamming/dampning is an agressive act and means your poor ickle frigate will be blown to hell and back by sentry guns. You could do it with griffins and try to keep outta range of the sentries. When Zombie start their attack, they already attract the full sentry aggression against their tank. That is the tactic. The bad thing other corp m8 of them can shout without been attacked by sentrys. The backside of the coin is that you can attack also without getting attacked from the sentrys. Of course only if they already tanking the sentrys. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:14:00 - [17] "don't know zombie as i'm a noob, but fear of them, and their ilk is what makes this game interesting" fear them? this is a game... now if zombie abused the game in such a way as too say break your computer...sure then you have RL complications and i supose fear is resonable. but in a fake little world why possible would anyone "fear" anyone? just remember why we have uber sentry guns now, Zombie thinks they can beat CCP but we will all just get squished by a **** jackboot to stop them. THey would do us a favor by quitting EVE all together...but they wont and lets just sit cback and wait for harser rules to be put in. thanks zombi
Trak Cranker	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:00:00 - [18] Fragm, Just because it is in the game, does not make it fair play. That is _exactly_ why they have the exploit clause. It covers the points where the game mechanics can be manipulated to act in a way that was not intended. What is/was intended or not is of course hard to determine as a player, but I'm sure CCP do not enforce that rule excessively. The Yulai incident seemed to me a very good example of what that rule was there for. And that has nothing to do with whether it was Zombie or whoever doing it. Never had a runin with them. What they were doing in Atlar seems a bit more on the edge. The reality of what they are doing is making sentry guns hard on the small guys, but useless against big bad guys. That though, is something CCP must debate within their own ranks. Personally I think it is a flaw as that enables a almost undetectable and unavoidable trap for the little guy in a system that was supposed to carry _some_ protection. If there was some cost to the likes of Zombie for doing it, that would change the scenario significantly in my view. Then they wouldn't do it to kill frigates, I would presume. On another note, I am too baffled by the worshipping and praise of such actions. Especially by the victims. As long as the objective alone seems, and it does to me, to be to just kill anyone coming through, I cannot gather up any kind of respect for it. Let alone reason. Please feel free to correct me here, if I presume to much. It does not seem to me as if it takes bravery, ability og intelligence. Just the will and the financial ability. Again, correct me if I am wrong. It resembles a little kid getting beat up in the schoolyard by the big guys without the teachers spotting it - and then try to sweettalk them so it won't be him again the next time. On an end note, before the Carebear Choir starts; I am _not_ advocating more safety here really - at most advocating more logic behind the safety measures installed. And the logic behind this can be defended. But the ramifications of it is up to CCP to weigh out. But the "Don't complain if it's in the game"/"It is not an exploit if it is in the game" argument simply could not be allowed to stand. :)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:34:00 - [19] It's pretty safe once you've triggered the sentries, tanked the initial onslaught, and then sensor-damped them to virtually zero range. The problem for anyone wishing to tackle them is this: If you shoot their -4.9 and above players and they warp out, do the sentries switch to you? How do you know which one is attracting the attention of the sentry guns? It's tricky. Bounty hunter corps may want to get on Chaos and experiment. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Phoenixgurl	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:21:00 - [20] zombies aren't for me a real PvP corp. Want a real challenge? Go see the jokers in 0.0 space, this is badlands baby, and anyone can shoot you. -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)

Orlando Orleans	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:30:00 - [21] Quote: zombies aren't for me a real PvP corp. Want a real challenge? Go see the jokers in 0.0 space, this is badlands baby, and anyone can shoot you. I take it you know more of us than the usual drivel we read about ourselves on these boards?
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.04.27 19:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Lao Tzu If you target jamm the support ships concord will gank you ;( Yup.. The balancing issue in this scenario is way off base. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.27 19:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Gariuys on 27/04/2004 19:57:47 Originally by: Fragm Originally by: Dark Messiah as it is classed as an agressive act to sensor dampen, then i think the sentrys should have an affective defence for this. let them go do there gate camping ** in 0.0 where it belongs and where it is excepted why part of the game is the unexcepted, and if you can do it then why not? i think it was stupid they were all banned from the game for YUL event its CCP's fault for letting it go on not their fault for being able to do it! how can it be considered an exploit if they are using legit equipment to carry it out even if they are **ing people off. They wheren't banned for the Yulai thing, they where banned cause they didn't listen to a GM when he told them to stop doing it. AFAIK Oh and take it easy with all those insults, getting that worked up about what I posted can't be good for ones health. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Leitari	Posted - 2004.04.27 20:19:00 - [24] I miss Jokers Here, Only the silent survive.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2004.04.27 20:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Phoenixgurl zombies aren't for me a real PvP corp. Want a real challenge? Go see the jokers in 0.0 space, this is badlands baby, and anyone can shoot you. don't say that... Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Zeltan Shadowhawk	Posted - 2004.04.27 20:31:00 - [26] I have to agree with the following post for the most part. Sorry to say, but sentry tanking sounds like a lame ass way to get around the AI Concord so you can grief people. If you think about how this would apply to a "realistic" scenario, how likely is it that Concord would be stupid enough to fall for this crap if Concord was played by real players. This is just wannabe badass griefers exploiting a design flaw. No worship for you ya **ers. Originally by:** Trak Cranker Fragm, Just because it is in the game, does not make it fair play. That is _exactly_ why they have the exploit clause. It covers the points where the game mechanics can be manipulated to act in a way that was not intended. What is/was intended or not is of course hard to determine as a player, but I'm sure CCP do not enforce that rule excessively. The Yulai incident seemed to me a very good example of what that rule was there for. And that has nothing to do with whether it was Zombie or whoever doing it. Never had a runin with them. What they were doing in Atlar seems a bit more on the edge. The reality of what they are doing is making sentry guns hard on the small guys, but useless against big bad guys. That though, is something CCP must debate within their own ranks. Personally I think it is a flaw as that enables a almost undetectable and unavoidable trap for the little guy in a system that was supposed to carry _some_ protection. If there was some cost to the likes of Zombie for doing it, that would change the scenario significantly in my view. Then they wouldn't do it to kill frigates, I would presume. On another note, I am too baffled by the worshipping and praise of such actions. Especially by the victims. As long as the objective alone seems, and it does to me, to be to just kill anyone coming through, I cannot gather up any kind of respect for it. Let alone reason. Please feel free to correct me here, if I presume to much. It does not seem to me as if it takes bravery, ability og intelligence. Just the will and the financial ability. Again, correct me if I am wrong. It resembles a little kid getting beat up in the schoolyard by the big guys without the teachers spotting it - and then try to sweettalk them so it won't be him again the next time. On an end note, before the Carebear Choir starts; I am _not_ advocating more safety here really - at most advocating more logic behind the safety measures installed. And the logic behind this can be defended. But the ramifications of it is up to CCP to weigh out. But the "Don't complain if it's in the game"/"It is not an exploit if it is in the game" argument simply could not be allowed to stand. :)
Triniton	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:42:00 - [27] Quote: zombies aren't for me a real PvP corp. Want a real challenge? Go see the jokers in 0.0 space, this is badlands baby, and anyone can shoot you. U think u know us just because of what u read about us on the forums? U think everything ppl write on these forums is the holy truth? Hell we have pirated with the jokers so plz stop talking ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:46:00 - [28] bob is right, besides it doesnt matter how you play the game, as long as its fun. now i know they ruin for other players, but its fun in their perspective, and in their possition idd have a laugh myself --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:47:00 - [29] I'm so proud of the fact I've killed a Zombie member \o/ LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
mafish	Posted - 2004.04.27 22:42:00 - [30] Edited by: mafish on 27/04/2004 22:45:17 fragm has made some good posts i hope some ppl listen to him and rather than whine and shout sploits and create a topic every time this happens to them get on with it. we lost a bs to them the other day it was fair play if they can do at the gate why not



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