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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.04.27 14:26:00 -
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Yes i searched the forum and found several topics, none explaining what i wanted to know.
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(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
First of all i do not wish to get banned for saying this.
And since English is not my native language i might misread this part of the EULA.
Some peeps use macro's to empty their cargo while mining. They are NOT AFK ! With macro's they do not have to pay attention to their cargo, so they can concentrate on the rats, players, etc.
The macro they use (and the one i'd like to use) DO NOT ACCELERATE anything within the game. They just move items from A to place B. And it is not some addaption in the game.
My question is it allowed, according to the EULA ?
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.27 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Isiana on 27/04/2004 14:36:44
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You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
(4) You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators
Which part of that do u not understand
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.04.27 14:37:00 -
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Says nothing about stuff relating to cargo. Only to characters
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khainestar
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: khainestar on 27/04/2004 15:10:53
Using macros is a banable offence. thats it no but what if. just banable.
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You may not use macros
thats all you need to read really.
You may not get a ban first time. It could just be a warning. But to be honest is it so difficult to drag and drop the ore to a can?
It's always best to stay on the side of caution with anything like this. If you are not sure its allowed then its probably not.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:41:00 -
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Ever heard of RSI ? 
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Ooke
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:57:00 -
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ah the good ol RSI defense 
maybe you shouldn't be in front of a computer all day and all night then?
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.04.27 19:45:00 -
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"Good Old RSI Defende" dude try to understand the sarcasm in my post.
Besides, i still do not have a reply on my main question yet.
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Uncle Bruno
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Posted - 2004.04.27 22:38:00 -
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The question has been answered even if you refuse to hear the answer.
no.
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Ostren
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:35:00 -
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to make it simple: All use of macro's in the EVE client is prohibited, be it mouse recorder macro or something else I don't know about, and if anyone using macros he'll/she'll either get a nice warning or a instant ban.
that is the rule
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:10:00 -
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Thats a good and clear answer, unlike the post above. Maybe updating the EULA to a more clear way of writing would be cool. (Yes i actually took time to read the whole thing)
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:25:00 -
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Avan is right here. Strictly speaking it only bans macros that let you do what you couldnt normally do in the game.
It would probably be better off if it just said flat out no macros. As it is it comes down to "what could you normally do?"
At what rate can a player activate modules? Does lowering your stress level juggling npcs/mining/chat count as something you couldnt normally do? It would take an actual judge to make a decision on it. Kinda vague.
Probably a good think I dont use macros.... think I can find a lawyer who charges in ISK? :P
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae
Avan is right here. Strictly speaking it only bans macros that let you do what you couldnt normally do in the game.
I'm not flaming here, the post ave been answered, but..
"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played."
hat pretty much says it. It dosn't say anything about things you could normally do, or couldn't normally do. It says, don't use a third-party software to modify..
A macro programm is a third-party software, and it modifies your movements.
That was pretty much it
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Tigersbane
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:48:00 -
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OK lets see, drag and drop using the mouse normally, or use a macro to do it?
Which is faster?
Understand now how the EULA is fine as it is?
Its the same old argument dragged up over and over again.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:19:00 -
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We are aware of the fact that people try to interpret the EULA in ways that allows them to use macros. But this is straight from what the GMs told us, no macros at all allowed. If you see posts or websites where people claim that they're selling a "legal" macro, don't believe them, because they're not. No macros are allowed at all.
If the GMs find out, and somehow they usually do, they will warn or ban you for it, I'm not telling you this to be a pain, but because you don't want to be banned over a macro.
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Ganza
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Posted - 2004.04.28 12:15:00 -
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Take a look at the user interface to Eve - notice the lack of keyboard commands for docking, warping, locking, fireing? Notice the interface is almost entirely mouse driven? I would hazard a guess that CCP designed it in such away to make macroing (i.e. cheating) very difficult. Conversely it also makes for a 'clunky' and far from ideal UI, that non-cheats are lumbered with also as a result. If people didn't cheat then some irrating features you complain of wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
If you don't like the game mechanics then go place something else, don't cheat and spoil for others. If you got RSI then get out a bit more and keep off the computer. Also, kind of dumb question to ask on the official Eve forum - you think someone would tell you here if they had / knew off / use - macros? 
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Surefoot
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:51:00 -
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If people macro because the UI does not have ease of use, something is wrong with the UI. If the UI is designed this way on purpose then something is really wrong with the developer's concept of what a UI is for. Designing a UI that only makes people want to macro and then turn around and say "don't macro" is cruel and unusual punishment, IMO.
Let the players play and let the UI sweat the small stuff, like docking and looting containers, and other things the UI by definition is supposed to do. If players are coming up with ways to make the UI do what it should be doing in the first place, implement their ideas into the UI. Don't say "don't macro" and dismiss the fact that the UI is lacking. :P
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khainestar
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Posted - 2004.04.30 15:30:00 -
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We are aware of the fact that people try to interpret the EULA in ways that allows them to use macros.
What to interpret? the first 5 words of section 3 are rather clear. you may not use macros. says it all.
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: khainestar
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We are aware of the fact that people try to interpret the EULA in ways that allows them to use macros.
What to interpret? the first 5 words of section 3 are rather clear. you may not use macros. says it all.
This is absurd. You cut 5 words from a whole paragraph. I will do something similar. You just told us that "use macros. says it all.". Thanks for clarification. In fact, that paragraph says something completely different. Defines macros as a kind of thing that allows you to do something you normally couldn't, or doing it faster. There is nothing about banning ANY recorded activity.
I don't do this, but I don't like the way some people flex their muscles that they ban someone (because they have the power to do that), nevertheless the error is on their side. They write rules that can be easily interpreted in opposite ways. For me, really natural interpretation of that paragraph is that automation of some routine tasks isn't forbidden. What isn't clearly off limits, is permitted, not vice-versa. In this case, the first action HAS to be a notification of affected player of possible misunderstanding, instant-ban is unjustifiable.
Sorry for that tirade, hopefully I will cool off during the night :)
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Lan2
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:38:00 -
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(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
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According to 'English' the term 'or' can be used to break up statements into separate areas, or continue on a similar listing of items. Thus quoting the first 5 words, "You may not use macros" is perfectly accepted English.
Also you should read another section in the EULA as follows:
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(2) You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
That line states you can not use other programs to change the way the game is played. Last I check the game is played with your hand moving your mouse. A macro removes your hand, and thus changes the way the game is played.
Macros are not allowed. What more do you people need?
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