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Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:38:00 - [1] Is it just me or are people taking the politics in EVE way too seriously? it seems like there is an great deal of anger over what is after all entertainment. It's almost as if the concept of sportsmanship just doesn't seem to apply here even though pvp is a competition. I participate in a stick fighting variant where people get there ribs broken and other various injuries all the time and yet there is never the kind of anger that you see here in a game where you can't really be hurt at all. Whats the deal? Am I the only one who thinks it gets way to childish? I posted this here because this seems to be the center for forum hate in EVE. I suspect this is because the hardcore players care more about the results of the politics than the casual players. Still can't we all try not to be such asses?
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:43:00 - [2] ahhhhh big hug. Tubby custard anyone?
Moah	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:47:00 - [3] Its just a game... Fancy.
Ishkur	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Ishkur on 27/04/2004 14:54:48 Quote: Am I the only one who thinks it gets way to childish? No, you're not. You're 100% right about "sportsmanship" too. I get so tired of hearing people say that so-and-so ruined 3 weeks of work yadda yadda. Do you hear athletes complain about this? Those media interviews with college basketball players, do you hear them say, "He pushed me down on the ground! I worked all week to make that shot, and he ruined it!" Of course not. However, the coin can be flipped. I think sportsmanship needs to go both ways. It isn't honorable to blow up someone who is clearly unprepared, anymore than it is to whine when someone blows you up. I think people need to stop with the smacktalk gloating and they need to stop with the moaning and whining and gnashing of teeth when someone attacks them. The whole, "we just play to have fun and do whatever we feel like" is just as bad as the whining carebears who complain that someone blew up their BS while they were mining scordite in a 0.4 system. Both of those people are lame, and don't understand the concept of "playing a game." Our corp doesn't allow smacktalk of any kind in any channel (basically "unsportsmanlike conduct" and that includes gloating or stupid snide comments, and also whining and b****ing when someone blows you up; neither is appropriate, and neither is tolerated). I wish more people would approach this as a game and remove the very large objects they clearly have shoved up their backsides.
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Miso on 27/04/2004 14:59:51 I think there is too much "you're ghey" "no you're gheyer" talk on these forums. Too much politics ruined the game for me so I extracted myself from it and now I'm having fun again. As for sportsmanship - its all down to anonymity - like car drivers. Car drivers will swear and curse at people from the safety of their car, but how many behave like that on a pavement or sidewalk? The impersonal nature of this game makes it very easy to behave like a nob-end. I'd like to see half the people that send me abuse have the guts to repeat it to my face -------------------------------------------- Dead
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:59:00 - [6] damnit i forgot to say the "In before the miso" part up there ^^^^^ :S
Wishdokkta	Posted - 2004.04.27 14:59:00 - [7] Whenever you get a game that is as immersive as EVE, you will always get people who get way too serious. Its the escapism that does it - the people who are the most aggressive/arrogant are the ones who in RL wouldnt say boo to a goose! I say let people have their time on EVE and be rude/arrogant/serious to the point of annoyance, cos it is they who have no vent for their ego's in real life. You can be who you want and say what you want in the confines of EVE, so much unlike life - I think everyone deserves that piece of unreality. But yes, it is only a game - as long as your priorities are in the right order it can do no harm. Just my opinion of course!
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Jadrut damnit i forgot to say the "In before the miso" part up there ^^^^^ :S Damn you! -------------------------------------------- Dead
Macumba	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:04:00 - [9] Miso's got it. Well, apart from the last line, that kind of ruined the whole argument. "I think it's because of the anonymity. PS - I'M RIGHT HARD ME!" It's definitely the anonymity though. That and the lengths people go to "win" games like these. You can't win an MMOG. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Macumba "I think it's because of the anonymity. PS - I'M RIGHT HARD ME!" No, that wasn't the implication, my point was, most people that call me a **** in local wouldn't have the balls to do it to my face. -------------------------------------------- Dead
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:18:00 - [11] Quote: Tubby custard anyone? -GENIOUS! Mauds right, though. People need to remember when your in-game assets change, It is just a number on a database in Iceland changing. Nothing is really gained, and the only thing you have really lost is your time. You better have fun or else you will look back at eve some day with disgust because you will feel like you had wasted your time. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Koda	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:21:00 - [12] The trash talk never fails to lower my appraisal of the other player. I got beat in a 1 on 1 fight, ship killed but not podded. It wasn't planned duel but both of us were looking for a fight. He beat me fair and square. But then he ruined it by running his mouth. My respect for him dropped to 0. -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
XpoHoc	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:47:00 - [13] Taking ingame politics seriously add depth to the game. I guess what you mean is the childish talk, that has nothing to do with that, those people would talk the same way even without pvp and politics.
George Carter	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:48:00 - [14] As Bluto said in Animal House - 'My advice is to start drinking heavily' --------------------------------------------- [ 2004.05.05 23:51:01 ] Zelota > half of curse dosent want to fight [ 2004.05.05 23:51:11 ] BobGhengisKhan > then kick them out and kill them all.
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:49:00 - [15] To me, the politics and resulting actions in this game are like a novel or a movie. What happens, happens, and then I get to blow stuff up. Seriously, people, it's a game. Don't get mad, have fun. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:51:00 - [16] Anyone who knows me knows I rarely take anything too seriously - other than 1 or 2 lapses I'm generally posting for kicks'n'giggles. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:58:00 - [17] Theres no reason to diss people who take the game a bit too seriously. Its like the movie buffs who cry through movies or the tv soap buffs who get excited if a fictional character on tv gets a fictional divore or engagement or whatever. Or how about the sports fans who beat each other up over a football game. all the above examples are taken from the field of entertainment. Games are just an interactive form of entertainment, much more immersive than any of the other examples I mentioned. To some its a simple matter of an online game, to others, its a second life. And I hate it when people start making value judgemnets on an individuals real life worth based on how they play a game. So before everyone starts casting stones, best think if you are so holy in the first place. Every single person here, I am sure, has something they take seriously that to others would mean nothing. So easy with the horses people. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Vasiliy Yakovich	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Vasiliy Yakovich on 27/04/2004 16:05:14 I must jump on the I agree bandwagon, however I have attacked "unprepared" ships as have I often been attacked when "unprepared" myself. Such is life in EVE. I do not try to justify my motives with anything at the moment but the love of isk and the thrill of getting blown up as such I don't mind getting podded, as it is I have been podded quite often in the last few days ;) However I find that most players in EVE are surprisingly quick to dish out a good dose of the n-word. All you hear nowadays is n00b that and nub this and the insult has long since lost its meaning. I submit that you come up with a new one. One sees the different aspects of peoples characters when one is ganking them but there have been people who are complete *******s about it as there have been people who actually happy about the whole thing and those are the ones one tends to remember and leave alone in the future. It's a game for gods sake. =) Cheers, Vas
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:40:00 - [19] Just one point, comparing EVE to some sport just doesn¦t work. Sports have irrefutable rules and people do whine, swear, attack and kick spectators when they are broken and even more so when the referee does nothing about it. The rules in EVE are more vague and often only exist in some few individuals minds. More often the arguements are about the rules or how they should be but not the game. Maud if you are worried over how seriously people take this game just chuckle to yourself and think how good your life is compared to people that get ****ed of at people while playing a computer game. __________ Capacitor research
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:54:00 - [20] Immersion and politics are fine, pvp is dull unless there are motives behind it. You dont play a game for a year simply because its fun watching the ship go down, its the feeling you get with it. When you kill someone, they lose a lot more than insurance and mods, they're losing some of their ego and pride. Some people dont like that, and will try to avoid it at all costs, trying to win in a game where there is no clear winner. Hence you get everlasting debates about wars, losses, kills..etc. That said, without player interaction, pvp is just shooting a bunch of icons and 3D models.. I would say at least half of EVE follows with the current ingame news and politics, either by forum w**ing, reading the news, or simply talking to other people about who is who and what is what. Its the select few that take it too* seriously, that attempt to beat the game rather than the player. You can't really kill anyone or anything off effectively, the real winner is the one who has the most fun. So to sum up, its more or less your character and how you behave towards the players and what sort of mentality you play with. It has nothing to do with politics. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Sassinak	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:01:00 - [21] Your absolutely right... Too many people take this game very seriously and get very "passionate" with their responses both in game and on the forums (Myself Included) I think were all guilty of being a tard on the forum from time to time. Comes Naturally to some Irresistable to others. but anyway..... If it wasnt for all the "colourful" posting; animosity(in character of course) and general hatred we show for each other... we would not be trying to blow the crap out of each other, would not be forming alliances to crush one another, would not be tryin to better each other(Basically all the fun stuff). Eve would be a huge ass mining sim. So in a way we need to keep the smack, but atleast keep it civil. My 2 Cents Sass Arcane Technologies
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:16:00 - [22] Yeah i try to make a thread fun but ppl ignore me, I think my common sense annoys them
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Miso Originally by: Macumba "I think it's because of the anonymity. PS - I'M RIGHT HARD ME!" No, that wasn't the implication, my point was, most people that call me a ** in local wouldn't have the balls to do it to my face. CAn we do that, i thought you where just an Ingame NPC, and programmed forumbot So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. Minion Of VOTF**
Miso	Posted - 2004.04.27 18:43:00 - [24] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Originally by: Miso Originally by: Macumba "I think it's because of the anonymity. PS - I'M RIGHT HARD ME!" No, that wasn't the implication, my point was, most people that call me a **** in local wouldn't have the balls to do it to my face. CAn we do that, i thought you where just an Ingame NPC, and programmed forumbot lmao Sometimes I think I am -------------------------------------------- Dead
Hippey	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:03:00 - [25] Edited by: Hippey on 27/04/2004 21:05:34 You know what's sad? I was someone who thoroughly enjoyed PvP. I was never a ganker and I'd like to think of myself as a pretty fair and honest combatant. But seeing what the "new" generation of PvPers are (people with a 12-year-old mentality and l33t speak), I find myself turning away from PvP games just because the entire mentality can ruin an entire game for me. Lineage2, Neocron, EVE, all these openly free PvP games are no longer interesting for me. If I win the battle it's "** you ganker, I'm gonna bring my friends and I'll ** you up until you quit the goddamn game you ganking noob" if I lose the battle and I never even met the person before it's "haha j00 got pwned n00b.. take your ass back to some carebear game.. I'm way to l33t for j00!" Sigh They need to make a game that you have to be 20+ years old for. I realize some kids are very mature but they're a VERY small minority and it's a very small price to pray to be able to enjoy a game without any kind of crap smack talk. Oh and let's not forget that some corps (well one) in here takes the game so seriously they hack their enemies computers and install keyloggers, trojans and worms. Not to mention hack TS channel, send DDOS attacks on the TS server, etc. I think we all know who this "elite" corp is too. ------------------------------------------- If you kill them, they will die! Sport the war, war support The sport is war, total war When victory's really a massacre. The final swing is not a drill It's how many people I can kill!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:10:00 - [26] Quote: Oh and let's not forget that some corps (well one) in here takes the game so seriously they hack their enemies computers and install keyloggers, trojans and worms. Not to mention hack TS channel, send DDOS attacks on the TS server, etc. I think we all know who this "elite" corp is too. Why don't you just name them, provide solid proof, and be done with it rather can cast your nudge-nudge-wink-wink accusations? I'm sure you're a good PVP'er Hippey but do you really think someone fears the chance of losing that they go to the trouble of hacking your computers? Install a firewall if you're so worried. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:48:00 - [27] My 2isk, I'm a reasonably young char in EVE, only something like 6 months, during those 6 months, I've been logged on average 7 hours or so daily, that's more then I work, sleep or do anyhing else. That's a lot of time, that alone makes taking this "game" serious a reality. Add to that the tiny little fact that people are ready to kill each other in RL cause they support another soccer team then they support, your whole don't take it to seriously it's only a game complete bull. MMOGs aren't games in the traditional sense for some but indeed more of a second life for some, for others it's casual entertainment. So IMHO saying shouldn't take EVE to serious or get a life or anything even remotely similair is quite insulting and shows as little respect as wtf owned shows. With that said and it was touched on by others, the people that are being asses aren't a case of people taking a game to serious, they are a case of people that work out their RL issues by doing things they could never do in RL that they can do hiding behind a avatar. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Bosie	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Jadrut Yeah i try to make a thread fun but ppl ignore me, I think my common sense annoys them lmao, good one Jad! You would not know common sense or fun if it was tied with Toulak`s smelly soiled undies too his old combine harvester! Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
Kayosoni	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:59:00 - [29] Hippey, don't even put L2's pvp at the same level as eve. l2 HAS NO pvp. But it's still fun for some reason ;x ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.27 22:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Bosie Originally by: Jadrut Yeah i try to make a thread fun but ppl ignore me, I think my common sense annoys them lmao, good one Jad! You would not know common sense or fun if it was tied with Toulak`s smelly soiled undies too his old combine harvester! Bosie. At least combine harvesters have wheels unlike your car which has had them knicked by the local schoolkids you geordie nonse

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