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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
307
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:19:00 -
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SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?
And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:21:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?
And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.
Indeed... |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5123
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:23:00 -
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Riverini is a CCP stooge? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riverini is a CCP stooge? No. Just a stooge. Curly, I think.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
467
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:44:00 -
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OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct? Maybe the other candidates could not be arsed to get involved or did not want to.
You should direct your concerns here: http://eve-radio.com/
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
469
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:53:00 -
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CCP doesn't own them I think. But last year they tried to set up a pets system. Where other compnanies had to pay them for using their space(logo). Not sure how that worked out.
There are also lots of podcasts with various CSM candidates debateing.
Think that is just suppose to be a big interview so maybe went to EVE-radio. disorientating |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
202
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:01:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?
And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.
You do realize that there's no way that this was ever intended to be a serious debate and that everyone who's been following the CSM elections at all knows it will be hilarious, right? I mean, you're just fakeposting as some enraged aspie whose sense of space fairness has been violated by this rather obvious galactic pro-wrestling style space celebrity grudge match, right?
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1716
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:23:00 -
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Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
529
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:26:00 -
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In before flood of goons posters tugging on themselves.
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:31:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct? Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"
Ladie Harlot wrote:Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens. And I thought I had my only good laugh for the day. Thanks. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5130
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:32:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate" Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures GÇö it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate" Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures GÇö it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other. Because it favors only TWO candidates...EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.
Is being fair that difficult to understand? Oh yes. This is EVE. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Jita Alt666
943
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:37:00 -
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CCP's advertising of specific CSM events that only contain a limited range of the CSM candidates and are outside of CCP control should not occur. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5134
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:40:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Because it favors features only TWO candidates... GǪthis time. Whether or not they are favoured in any way remains to be seen. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do?
Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point.
Quote:EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising. Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for.
Quote:Is being fair that difficult to understand? Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
830
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:41:00 -
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Actually 5min were more than enough. My brains start bleeding I had to go.
Good thing is that from now on I'll not be wasting precious clicks for such garbage anymore. Local flood by goons can be far more interesting. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Because it favors only TWO candidates... GǪthis time. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do? Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point. Quote:EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising. Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for. Quote:Is being fair that difficult to understand? Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof). Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News". If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions. I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't. And, it's not a conspiracy, and was never inferred to BE a conspiracy. It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function.
One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1717
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:48:00 -
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CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:55:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM. You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:07:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM. You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.
I can quite well imagine it using his favourite hero slip and sockets when he goes to bed "Mitanni is real, he was here"  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5135
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:07:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News". No. It's run as an information point on what's going on in and around EVE, just like all other GÇ£headline newsGÇ¥ bulletins.
They're trying to raise awareness of and participation in the CSM election process, much like how all the other headline news items present things that are going on outside of, but related to, the game.
Quote:If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions. EhmGǪ maybe you should look at what's in that news feed and adjust your expectations and vocabulary accordingly. What else is in there? Fanfest tickets GÇö an ad, no journalism, no objectivity. Mass test GÇö information about an out-of-game (wellGǪ kind of) event, no journalism, no objetivity. Patch deployment posts GÇö informative, no journalism, no objectivity. Power of 2 GÇö an ad, no journalism, no objectivity. Final list of CSM candidates GÇö informative, no journalism, no objectivity. In fact, journalism and objectivity are completely absent from the news feeds CCP have on their community page because they are largely irrelevant to the news items they post.
Quote:I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't. Exactly, so what are you complaining about? It's CCP raising awareness about a CCP-run process by promoting a player-run event that directly ties in to this process.
Quote:It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function. In what way? What is going on? How do things function? You offer no context in which your outrage makes sense.
Quote:One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election. It means that you cannot say one thing is favoured over another from a single data point. If I go to the restaurant down the road, do I favour that restaurant? No, because I'm just doing it this once because the one I actually favour is closed. The single data point of me going there this one time says nothing without a context. You are making some grandiose claims about unfairness and favouritism from a single event that has no context (or at least none that you offer). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote: yadda yadda yadda yadda Yeah. Right. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5135
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:16:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Yeah. Right. So you agree with me, then, and will stop whinging. Good.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
337
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Yeah. Right. So you agree with me, then, and will stop whinging. Good. It's so not like you to accuse someone of whining when they clearly aren't.
I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree with this OP. Maybe we deserve to be hurled back into the feudal age.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5135
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:34:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:It's so not like you to accuse someone of whining when they clearly aren't. He's whinging about how CCP favours two candidates over all others, when there is quite literally nothing to suggest that they do.
They are publishing a snippet about a player event connected to the very current process of the CSM election. Is this favouritism? No, because other, similar items have been published in the past, and it is kind of the whole point with that particular news feed. This event features two candidates GÇö are they favoured? We don't know, because we don't know if any other such debates are coming; we do not know if others were approached for this broadcast; if they were, we don't know what they answered; we have no context for this one broadcast.
I accuse him of whinging because the problem he sees is one that is entirely created in his own mind.
Quote:I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree with this OP. I disagree with him for the same reason I almost always disagree with people: because his complaint has pretty much zero foundation, but rather rests on a chain on assumptions that, each and one on their own, are rather tin-foil:y and improbable.
CCP is raising awareness of the CSM election as an attempt to stave of the inevitable complaint that no-one knows about/cares about/engages in the CSM. Why on earth is the OP so upset about this? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Serene Repose wrote:It's so not like you to accuse someone of whining when they clearly aren't. He's whinging about how CCP favours two candidates over all others, when there is quite literally nothing to suggest that they do. They are publishing a snippet about a player event connected to the very current process of the CSM election. Is this favouritism? No, because other, similar items have been published in the past, and it is kind of the whole point with that particular news feed. This event features two candidates GÇö are they favoured? We don't know, because we don't know if any other such debates are coming; we do not know if others were approached for this broadcast; if they were, we don't know what they answered; we have no context for this one broadcast. I accuse him of whinging because the problem he sees is one that is entirely created in his own mind. Quote:I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree with this OP. I disagree with him for the same reason I almost always disagree with people: because his complaint has pretty much zero foundation, but rather rests on a chain on assumptions that, each and one on their own, are rather tin-foil:y and improbable. CCP is raising awareness of the CSM election as an attempt to stave of the inevitable complaint that no-one knows about/cares about/engages in the CSM. Why on earth is the OP so upset about this? Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak.
Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously. Now. Where have I seen this before? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5135
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:45:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak. The problem is, you're not pointing anything out GÇö you're making far-reaching assertions derived from near-paranoid assumptions about the meaning of a completely ordinary event.
Quote:Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously. Wrong way around: the reason I paint you with the whinging brush is because your chain of reasoning cannot be taken seriously.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
68
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:49:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Tippia wrote:Riverini is a CCP stooge? No. Just a stooge. Curly, I think.
Curly Stooge best Stooge. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
309
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak. The problem is, you're not pointing anything out GÇö you're making far-reaching assertions derived from near-paranoid assumptions about the meaning of a completely ordinary event. Pointing something out would be to say that the event CCP highlights has a risk of being one-sided. You're not doing that GÇö you're essentially accusing CCP and EVE Radio of being partisan without anything to really back it up. Quote:Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously. Wrong way around: the reason I paint you with the whinging brush is because your chain of reasoning cannot be taken seriously. If you say so? Whatever. Tell you what, Tippia. Don't take it seriously. I'll bet there's a dozen posts on the index page to which you can lend your intellectual powers. Enjoy. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

QGazQ
10
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:56:00 -
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Just a quick reply,
Funkybacon managed to organise a discussion for his show featuring Mittani and Riverini, told MrBlades about it and he decided it was something worth promoting and asked CCP if they could give it some press.
Key point being we (EVE Radio) approached CCP about publicising it and if we hadnt they wouldnt have posted a news item about it because they wouldnt have known.
We had a show, we figured it would be of interest to people, we asked ccp if they would mention it like they do with other events going on.
If any other candidates want to have a go, get in touch with us and we'll see about giving them a voice.
And a last comment: <&MrBlades> Oh and we think goons are terrible people
Regards QGazQ
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5135
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:59:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:If you say so? Whatever. Tell you what, Tippia. Don't take it seriously. Since you continue to not provide much in the way of evidence for your assertions, I will continue to say that your reasoning can't be considered serious.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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