SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?

And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.

Riverini is a CCP stooge?

SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?

And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.

OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct?

Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens.

Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"

Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures GÇö it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other.

Because it favors features only TWO candidates...

EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.

Is being fair that difficult to understand?

GǪthis time. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do?

Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point.

Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for.

Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof).

CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM.

You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.

Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News".

If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions.

I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't.

It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function.

One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election.

yadda yadda yadda yadda

Yeah. Right.

So you agree with me, then, and will stop whinging.
Good.

It's so not like you to accuse someone of whining when they clearly aren't.

I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree with this OP.

He's whinging about how CCP favours two candidates over all others, when there is quite literally nothing to suggest that they do.

They are publishing a snippet about a player event connected to the very current process of the CSM election. Is this favouritism? No, because other, similar items have been published in the past, and it is kind of the whole point with that particular news feed. This event features two candidates GÇö are they favoured? We don't know, because we don't know if any other such debates are coming; we do not know if others were approached for this broadcast; if they were, we don't know what they answered; we have no context for this one broadcast.

I accuse him of whinging because the problem he sees is one that is entirely created in his own mind.

I disagree with him for the same reason I almost always disagree with people: because his complaint has pretty much zero foundation, but rather rests on a chain on assumptions that, each and one on their own, are rather tin-foil:y and improbable.


CCP is raising awareness of the CSM election as an attempt to stave of the inevitable complaint that no-one knows about/cares about/engages in the CSM. Why on earth is the OP so upset about this?

Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak.

Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously.

No. Just a stooge. Curly, I think.

The problem is, you're not pointing anything out GÇö you're making far-reaching assertions derived from near-paranoid assumptions about the meaning of a completely ordinary event.

Pointing something out would be to say that the event CCP highlights has a risk of being one-sided. You're not doing that GÇö you're essentially accusing CCP and EVE Radio of being partisan without anything to really back it up.
Wrong way around: the reason I paint you with the whinging brush is because your chain of reasoning cannot be taken seriously.

If you say so? Whatever. Tell you what, Tippia. Don't take it seriously.

Just a quick reply,

Funkybacon managed to organise a discussion for his show featuring Mittani and Riverini, told MrBlades about it and he decided it was something worth promoting and asked CCP if they could give it some press.

Key point being we (EVE Radio) approached CCP about publicising it and if we hadnt they wouldnt have posted a news item about it because they wouldnt have known.

We had a show, we figured it would be of interest to people, we asked ccp if they would mention it like they do with other events going on.

If any other candidates want to have a go, get in touch with us and we'll see about giving them a voice.

And a last comment:
<&MrBlades> Oh and we think goons are terrible people

Regards
QGazQ

CCP can't be seen as preferring or giving the impression of endorsing any of the candidates. That's part of the deal they themselves invented.

Therefore, if they were to give you press, it would be AFTER the event in the form of a standard news story, AND they'd further have to contact the candidates who weren't present to get their views about a.) not being invited and b.) the validity of what the candidates who WERE invited had to say.

Good thing they're not doing that, then.

Why is any of that CCP's obligation? They're not journalists and they're not giving anyone GÇ£pressGÇ¥ GÇö they're (again) simply raising awareness of player events related to the CSM election, hopefully raising awareness of the election itself in the process.

You'd have a point of other venues were trying to provide those other voices and were being denied the same kind of awareness, but what do you have that suggest that anything of the sort is going on?

I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed the point of the OP entirely. Your first mistake was to assume he's complaining, or whining as you say. Your second mistake was to apply EVE reasoning to this more philosophical and nuanced point. All of your questions bespeak of someone who has scant understanding of the mechanisms of a free, democratic society.

To answer the "issues" you raise, is to repeat the curriculum of a high school civics class. Oh yeah. They don't teach civics anymore. More's the pity. I don't see how the OP is obliged to field your foray into the tangental.

the greater point is - what about the other candidates?

I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed the point of the OP entirely. Your first mistake was to assume he's complaining, or whining as you say.

Your second mistake was to apply EVE reasoning to this more philosophical and nuanced point. All of your questions bespeak of someone who has scant understanding of the mechanisms of a free, democratic society.

...you mean such as denouncing the publishing of a quick blurb about an upcoming debate as GÇ£[making] the fa[r]ce farcicalGÇ¥? Yeah, no, I think that qualifies as complaining quite nicely.

which have pretty much nothing to do with CCP raising awareness of a player-run event. I know quite a lot about the mechanisms you speak of GÇö hell, I teach them. As such, I can tell you that they're not particularly applicable here.

I'm not applying GÇ£EVE reasoningGÇ¥ GÇö I'm applying reason, plain and simple.

The problem is that the OP thinks there is some journalistic obligation or fairness doctrine just because it's called a GÇ£news feedGÇ¥, when in reality, it's just a list of highlights about what is going on in and around EVE. CCP is GÇ£endorsingGÇ¥ EVE radio for the simple reason that it's about EVE and about the CSM (and GÇ£endorsingGÇ¥ is far too loaded a word for what they're doing). CCP has no responsibility to balance out what EVE radio does beyond offering the same kind of highlighting to other player-run events that do the same thing. In fact, they already offer the platform for those other candidates to make themselves heard.

Claiming that they are endorsing any specific candidate just because they insert this highlight is beyond silly. Should they also include news (and commentary) about WoT patches to keep it fair and balanced?

Come back when EVE radio (or anyone else) is being denied a spot in the news feed because they're offering a platform for some other set of candidates or when EVE radio (in the presumed role of having privileged access to getting on the news feed) starts denying candidates access to the same (in this case unique) platform.

Firstly, "denounce" isn't an accurate characterization.

I love how you use "player-run event" here. The election seems to have disappeared off the screen!

I love how your block quotes create the illusion of thoroughness. I also like the way you leave out certain things..the OP never said CCP has a journalistic responsibility.

"Come back when..."? Well, la dee dah. Ain't we special. Go from a slipshod use of facts, insertions of inferences not based in fact, to giving personal commands?

Just to put in my own little two cents; no one at Voices contacted CCP requesting publicity. IGÇÖve always been of the opinion that if the content we publish is quality enough to be recognized by others than it will be. If others, be it blogs, CCP, whoever donGÇÖt publicize for us; well it just is what it is. We post on twitter, G+, the forums, but sending in a petition or e-mail requesting CCP send out a tweet or make a facebook post on our behalf wasnGÇÖt something we considered. Plus IGÇÖm a redditor; asking for likes is a big no-no. If your product is content and quality rich, the likes and shout outs will come on their own.

In this case, it appears that EVE Radio reached out to the CCP community team who then posted a newsfeed article (you know, like the real newspaper does for the social pages), while Voices from the Void didn't reach out to the CCP community team because VV wants to succeed on their own merits.

Pretty much my whole point.

They are publishing a snippet about a player event connected to the very current process of the CSM election. Is this favouritism? No, because........

Yes, it is favoritism.

How does one even go about getting CCP to advertise something for them? I don't know. Do you? Could Mittens have used his contacts that he has established with CCP from already being on CSM to "make" that happen? Absolutely! Could the other candidates have done the same thing? Probably not.

Honestly, do you see CCP doing this for every candidate, any time they want to advertise an event? I highly doubt it.

So, whether CCP wants Mittens to win or not is moot. That CCP is allowing him to utilize them in such a way which disadvantages the other candidates, on the other hand, is a very valid concern if you're running for the CSM and can't get CCP to do squat for you.

How does one even go about getting CCP to advertise something for them? I don't know. Do you? Could Mittens have used his contacts that he has established with CCP from already being on CSM to "make" that happen? Absolutely! Could the other candidates have done the same thing? Probably not.

Honestly, do you see CCP doing this for every candidate, any time they want to advertise an event?

That CCP is allowing him to utilize them in such a way which disadvantages the other candidates, on the other hand, is a very valid concern if you're running for the CSM and can't get CCP to do squat for you.

I'm not rereading this horrible abortion of a thread but I was just wondering if anyone has mentioned that it was Riverini's idea, not Mittani's. So this is a Riverini conspiracy. Riverini is manipulating CCP through his terrible "news" site and his Snot Shot alt posting on CAOD. Adjust your tinfoil accordingly.

Yeah the "debate" was Riverini's idea and Eve Radio were the people who contacted CCP about advertising. How, exactly, is Mittens in the wrong here?

How, exactly, is Mittens in the wrong here?

Uninformed idiocy spawned from the very ushering of his name?
It wouldn't be the first time...

so...whose name has you here bad postin'?

Someday I want to be as Eve-famous as Mittens so just the mention of my name will make hordes of pubbies rush to these forums to badpost.

We all have to have goals, right?

**** you op go away you turd

I will agree with one thing one of you said earlier. It would save CCP a lot of embarrassment if they just skipped the election and let the queen bee himself just pick his own sycophant staff. What a waste of precious bandwidth this so called election is.

... taking the debate...

Debate what? What were those major issues Mitt had down cold and Riverini wasn't primed for?