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cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.04 15:19:00 - [1] Originally by: Koala Bare Edited by: Koala Bare on 04/05/2008 15:10:00 Edited by: Koala Bare on 04/05/2008 15:07:56 it's getting boring ya know .... eleventymillion same topics ... Besides, why do you want to burden the customer support folks who don't put together the policies with even more work so they can't address actual active and ongoing petitions >.< Try intelligence and social implants, really, they do help. Nobody is forcing you to read it you know. Click back and move on. I totally agree with nightmareX here. You dont even need to pay attention to local with bacon. It alerts you when neut/hostile enters local. Bacon might not affect the game play of other that much, right now. But it will in the future.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:53:00 - [2] Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. You picked the wrong forum to post this. You should have posted in feature and ideas forum. General discussion is full of bears.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.04 22:52:00 - [3] All hail Atropos and nightmarex. :) Finally we stop worrying about bacon. :P
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.05 14:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Segge Bolled Originally by: NightmareX Before i start, this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me Thread potential diminishes critically to null value at this point. Give it a rest hun, its too late. Devs said they are working on changing logserver and bacon will not be useful.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.05 19:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Tobin Shalim Haven't you read the Dev blogs before? They have seperate groups that work solely on adding new content/features. Brainstorming at my job is thus: 10 ideas are put out. 5 are rejected outright. The other 5 are seriously looked at and you maybe get 2-3. Those are then put through feasibility studies/tests to see if any are viable. If they are, we impliement them (with a shorter time to that given the past study). I would rather CCP have the ideas than not. There is a difference between adding new content(missions, ships, modules) and adding new features(standings indicator in local, bacon like audio warning system). Adding more contents is just creating a database entry of that module/ship/mission. But adding a new feature requires programming those features into eve client/server. So to add new features like bacon, ccp programmers would have to put their time into implementing it. So less time to fix other programming related issues. Originally by: Tobin Shalim I look at BACON as being a good thing for the sole reason that it encourages innovation and new ideas for CCP to take a look at. Some things that have been done by a certain nameless Alliance in the past gave us the standings indicator in local (and by extension, in the overview as well). Vent and TS led to EVE-Voice. Cries for improved data access led to the API system being created, which in turn led to EVEMon and EFT (both wonderful programs). Yes, BACON is going to encourage innovation. Macros would be easier to develop with the help of bacon. More macros will be developed. And more people will start using macro. In the end, EvE will become just like lineage2. Official servers filled with macros and bots.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Edited by: Herschel Yamamoto on 05/05/2008 22:27:55 First of all, I'd like to comment on how terrible the OP is here - "this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me" is the single most pathetic statement I've read online in a lot of years, and it's not for lack of looking. Because this is not a discussion thread. There are tons of other threads for you to discuss. This is a petition thread. If you dont agree you have nothing to post here. Thats why he said "this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me". And EvE is not linux. They are not gonna let you write "UI Fixes" using data which you shouldnt be using. Logserver is for devs to debug the client. They gave us the program because they want us to send debug info when you encounter a bug. Not use that program to extract data from the client and write a program which promotes AFK game play. If you want to develop applications for EvE, you have eve api. Dont try to use tuxy to save your bacon. Nothing is going to save your bacon.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto And so far as I'm looking at Bacon, the only thing it's been declared is an annoyance, something the devs would prefer not to have. If it was a cheat, they'd be sending out ban warnings through in-game news, like they do any other time they declare something an exploit before patching it, not grumbling on the forums. It's not cheating, and it's not an unfair advantage over anybody except the blind. It's Local with sound effects - pardon me if I don't get up in arms over third-party software recreating existing functionality with a better interface. They havnt banned it because its almost impossible for then to detect and prove that you are using it, without implementing warden like software. Atropos clearly said that. Thats why they are not banning it. Instead they are changing logserver. Originally by: Hershel Yamamoto Tell you what - when it becomes impossible to get the same data(i.e., who is in local) from in game, I'll be right beside you opposing those who get it from out of game. Until then, it's a data analysis tool like EveMon as far as I'm concerned. Just because the devs are schizophrenic on the topic of such tools doesn't mean I have to be. Its not like EveMon. Bacon is using data which you are not supposed to use. With bacon you dont have to look at local. You can merrily mine while you are war decced. As soon as a hostile enters the local, bacon will alert you, and you can log off or dock. Until you are alerted you dont have to pay attention to the game. And if you add simple macros here and there, you can mine safely during war. Tell me how thats good for the game? CCP dont encourage afk playing.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto No, you made a few long-winded rambles about how you don't like it. I'm not alone in not liking BACON FYI. There is a reason why we don't like it. Agreed, on both counts. There are others who think like you do, and given that I'm not generally a believer in mass insanity as an explanation for my opponents, I'll concede that you have reasons for your opinions. Thing is, that doesn't make you right, it just makes you wrong with a sense of purpose. Same could be said about you. Just because you and your lil buddies think you are right, doesnt make you right.
cyt0matrix Carebear Killers Inc. Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.06 01:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Reuser What do these two quotes mean to you, NightmareX? Originally by: "CCP Atropos" What has happened is not inherently bad, and at no point does anyone here blame the developers of any of the third party tools. Originally by: "CCP Atropos" I hope this reduces the finger pointing at BACON, and it's Gunfleet developers, as well as the frankly ridiculous branding of both sides as idiots and/or carebears. That they are sick of you whining and us *****ing about bacon. Bacon is getting bbqed. End of discussion.

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