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Leanor Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:14:00 - [1] So, I think It all started with them attending http://www.nordicinnovation.net/_img/ci_syntese.pdf and realization of the potential in their core tech, establishment and others IP. Reason why they would attend it might be because of invitation, search for creative artists with putting their company name on it to be known. Or out of interest for expansion and understanding the business they are in. That document is from ôApril 2006ö. Some tidbits: ôCulture is business - And we are talking big businessö - ôWorldwide the creative industries are growing faster than other economic sectors, thus reflecting the changes in todayÆs wealth-generating economies.ö - ôWith concerted Nordic effort and cooperation, the Nordic region has the capacity to become one of the worlds most dynamic and important regions for creative industries, but this chance only comes around once. We must act now, or accept defeat.ö - ôIPR are the goods of the new economy: Secondly, there is a need for an intensified focus on the area of intellectual property rights (IPR). This can be viewed as the raw material fueling the creative age. The commercial opportunities in this field must be realized.ö' Another document: http://www.nordicinnovation.net/_img/04265_medical_imaging_and_computer_games_final_nice_report1.pdf with CCPs participation. Document dated ôMay 2006ö. With an interesting tidbit: Computer and TV game industry o Sales in Sweden 2004 170 Million Ç o Annual increase (since 2003) 20 % o From above estimated World market 10 û 15 Billion Ç o Especially on line games 2003 1,9 Billion Ç o On line games 2009 (estimated) 10 billion Ç o Typical development cost for a game Yesterday 1 MÇ, today 4MÇ, tomorrow 10 mÇ Seize that money? Mode. Initiative. Initiation. Initiate! With that they sought action and IP. Which resulted in: http://www.ccpgames.com/press/press_releases.asp?pressReleaseID=26 . 11 November 2006. A MMO game requiring: Hardware, Developers, Licenses and Marketing is all in need of: MONEY. Investors? Possible. Loan? Possible. Subscribers? Hell yeah. 2 Months after the merger the NFS initiative was announced(11 Jan 2007): http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=412 and http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/indevelopment.asp and from it: ôThe Need For Speed 2007 A year-long initiative to engineer further optimizations throughout the three arms of EVE û Content, Software, and Hardware û to ensure future scalability and performance. WeÆre shifting the focus towards improving current features rather than add new ones, optimizing and improving current content, and utilizing technology breakthroughs in software and hardware.ö And one year later(22 Jan 2008): http://www.eve-online.com/pressreleases/default.asp?pressReleaseID=43 . Seems more like a one year plan/goal.
Leanor Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:15:00 - [2] Surely it can't not be because of the Need for Money? And its intention for getting more subscribers for their expansion? Thereby increasing cash flow to fund their new MMO and its requirements. By tweaking for the worse or better the content and reducing load on the server to increase its capability to handle more of it. As well as not introducing content that would increase the load that would restrict their ability to handle more subscribers. Even if they throw in hardware that would be able to handle it with the current number of subscribers. I can only wonder what was scrapped, tweaked or halted because of it. But I wonder what it would do to my enjoyment of the game. It also serves in the way that they recognize the issue and are doing something about it. But it seems to me that its more about the money, than providing content to further enhance the enjoyment of the game for us players. Like: Originally by: CCP Lingorm 5) Look at the 'In development' and similar sections for stuff that has been hanging about for a while ... but the majors one of the top of my head. System wide asteroid belts. New Corp management Gui, updated trader tools etc etc. Whats your take on it? Argument for and against it being more about the money at the cost of our pleasure and money?
XiaoChaBor	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:17:00 - [3] FFS, they are not running a charity. OF COURSE NFS's objective is to increase revenue. F**king duh. And the game is much less laggier than before, which is a good thing, if you aren't aware.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Andrue on 04/05/2008 19:46:36 News at Ten headline! * Company caught trying to make money. - "Don't actually want to go bankrupt" says anonymous insider. - Leaked memo suggests that they are actually paying employees. - "They paid our invoice" - unnamed technical supplier, expresses disgust.
XiaoChaBor	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:48:00 - [5] This is probably the only MMO with people ******** enough to write long essays about "Ooh, CCP is trying to reduce the lag, omg money sucking vampires." slaps forehead Repeat after me More subscribers is a good thing. More subscribers is a good thing.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:52:00 - [6] Originally by: XiaoChaBor This is probably the only MMO with people ******** enough to write long essays about "Ooh, CCP is trying to reduce the lag, omg money sucking vampires." slaps forehead Repeat after me More subscribers is a good thing. More subscribers is a good thing. QFMFT! I would kindly request the addition of more systems to accomodate more pod pilots please. :) -Liang
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Leanor So, I think It all started with them attending http://www.nordicinnovation.net/_img/ci_syntese.pdf and realization of the potential in their core tech, establishment and others IP. Reason why they would attend it might be because of invitation, search for creative artists with putting their company name on it to be known. Or out of interest for expansion and understanding the business they are in. That document is from ôApril 2006ö. Some tidbits: ôCulture is business - And we are talking big businessö - ôWorldwide the creative industries are growing faster than other economic sectors, thus reflecting the changes in todayÆs wealth-generating economies.ö - ôWith concerted Nordic effort and cooperation, the Nordic region has the capacity to become one of the worlds most dynamic and important regions for creative industries, but this chance only comes around once. We must act now, or accept defeat.ö - ôIPR are the goods of the new economy: Secondly, there is a need for an intensified focus on the area of intellectual property rights (IPR). This can be viewed as the raw material fueling the creative age. The commercial opportunities in this field must be realized.ö' Another document: http://www.nordicinnovation.net/_img/04265_medical_imaging_and_computer_games_final_nice_report1.pdf with CCPs participation. Document dated ôMay 2006ö. With an interesting tidbit: Computer and TV game industry o Sales in Sweden 2004 170 Million Ç o Annual increase (since 2003) 20 % o From above estimated World market 10 û 15 Billion Ç o Especially on line games 2003 1,9 Billion Ç o On line games 2009 (estimated) 10 billion Ç o Typical development cost for a game Yesterday 1 MÇ, today 4MÇ, tomorrow 10 mÇ Seize that money? Mode. Initiative. Initiation. Initiate! With that they sought action and IP. Which resulted in: http://www.ccpgames.com/press/press_releases.asp?pressReleaseID=26 . 11 November 2006. A MMO game requiring: Hardware, Developers, Licenses and Marketing is all in need of: MONEY. Investors? Possible. Loan? Possible. Subscribers? Hell yeah. 2 Months after the merger the NFS initiative was announced(11 Jan 2007): http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=412 and http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/indevelopment.asp and from it: ôThe Need For Speed 2007 A year-long initiative to engineer further optimizations throughout the three arms of EVE û Content, Software, and Hardware û to ensure future scalability and performance. WeÆre shifting the focus towards improving current features rather than add new ones, optimizing and improving current content, and utilizing technology breakthroughs in software and hardware.ö And one year later(22 Jan 2008): http://www.eve-online.com/pressreleases/default.asp?pressReleaseID=43 . Seems more like a one year plan/goal. lol, FAIL
Mickline VMF-214 Blacksheep Star Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:00:00 - [8] Just pointing out that Leanor is No21 alt, and not that long ago you already made a post like this one. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=759735 ...Yawn.
Leylla Gainsborought Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:01:00 - [9] Confirming Mickline's reply. And yes this guy is a C**t
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:03:00 - [10] Just to nitpick… Originally by: Leanor Yesterday 1 M€, today 4M€, tomorrow 10 m€ From €1 million to €4 million, then back to €0.01, eh…? Sell before it's too late, I say
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:06:00 - [11] If the op intended this to be a joke thread then sad to say it flew right over my head.
flashfreaking LFC Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:47:00 - [12] I don't want to have that guy as my boss: -People, our main objective is to NOT make profit, I say again, NOT make profit *But sir, how are you going to pay us? -NO PROFIT, end of discussion 3 days later: Leanor corporation went bankrupt. Please OP, stop using the internet.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:49:00 - [13] This is a *****IN' troll thread.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:55:00 - [14] The OP makes no sense. At all. My faith in humanity tells me that a human cannot be this stupid, and therefore I must now be posting in a troll thread.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:02:00 - [15] Further Shock Headlines! * Eve-Online forum poster hasn't got a clue. - "He just posted it", says shocked newbie. - "Meh", says seasoned veteran. I think CCP are doing quite a good job overall. The state of these forums means they don't post and share their ideas as much as they used to unfortunately. I don't suppose they'll see any need to respond to someone asking them to run their company into the ground.
Leanor Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:04:00 - [16] Edited by: Leanor on 04/05/2008 21:04:14 Originally by: XiaoChaBor Edited by: XiaoChaBor on 04/05/2008 20:13:40 Edited by: XiaoChaBor on 04/05/2008 20:12:11 FFS, they are not running a charity. OF COURSE NFS's objective is to increase revenue. F*king duh. Psst.. I'll let you in a secret. The new expansion.. you know what I heard? THE OBJECTIVE IS TO INCREASE CCP REVENUE. OMFG!!!!! HOW EBIL!! The game is much less laggier than before, which is a good thing(OMG) I have no idea what stick is up your ass, but seriously, STFU. edited for more sarcasm I think most saw it as adressing the latency issue in popultated systems and large fleet fights. I'm trying to advocate for better consumer awareness and CCPs practices. Something bad in that? Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 04/05/2008 19:46:36 News at Ten headline! * Company caught trying to make money. - "Don't actually want to go bankrupt" says anonymous insider. - Leaked memo suggests that they are actually paying employees. - "They paid our invoice" - unnamed technical supplier, expresses disgust. Its intent is deviated from the customer interest and their reason. I think their business model and plan covered the bankrupcy part some time ago. Originally by: Verone lol, FAIL I fail how? I think i made a pretty good point with highlighting the tidbits and giving the dates so ppl could see the timeline and presenting the motivation and underlying reason to their action. But i guess your reply is motivated with the underlying fear and your establishment within this community and reputation. Not that i don't have a analytical disability now, do i? Originally by: Zeba If the op intended this to be a joke thread then sad to say it flew right over my head. It's not a joke thread. I'm trying to raise the awareness of the tgreater intent behind their pushes. Like the NFS initiative surving a greater purpose for their expansion and their second MMO that they are working on by raising money thru more subscribers. By marketing. It's consequences are stated above. How the Ambulation Project is pushed forward to create a game engine for upcoming Singleplayer games and World of Darkness the second MMO. Most who pay for EVE:Online won't play WoD because of financial reasons, game genre, time and effort. That's why i am bringing this up. I can only hope that this will put more pressure on CCP thru customer/consumer power to make their money more worth than tweaking, halting, scrapping content that would make this game more enjoyable.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari The Fallen Gingerbread Men Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Leanor More senseless rabble. Logic. You're doing it wrong.
Iluminat Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:10:00 - [18] You pay for the fun you have. If fun=whatyoupay play If whatyoupay>fun stop playing ccp = offering a nice game. You like to play? pay want my sister to?
Lurana Lay	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:32:00 - [19] Quote: And its intention for getting more subscribers for their expansion? Thereby increasing cash flow to fund their new MMO and its requirements. Yeah, which I assume is why there are still hundreds (probably thousands) of macro miners/missioners/ratters. I guess they don't want to lose that income those many accounts generate.
Leanor Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Kharadran Sullath The OP makes no sense. At all. My faith in humanity tells me that a human cannot be this stupid, and therefore I must now be posting in a troll thread. What doesn't make sense? I'm being stupid how? Originally by: Iluminat You pay for the fun you have. If fun=whatyoupay play If whatyoupay>fun stop playing ccp = offering a nice game. You like to play? pay Ofc. But i think most see their "continuous" payments as a investment. And it would be the consumer/player interest that they are spent well. To improve the gameplay as well as bringing in new content to play with for their enjoyment.
Maaku Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:47:00 - [21] Edited by: Maaku on 04/05/2008 21:49:08 Originally by: Leanor Ofc. But i think most see their "continuous" payments as a investment. A MMO subscription is an entertainment expense, not an investment. To think otherwise would be to consider, say, the cost of a movie ticket or a monthly cable payment as an "investment".
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Leanor But i think most see their "continuous" payments as a investment. Eeehmmm… no? Why would it be an investment? …the closest I can think of is that the subscription is a savings of sort. If I didn't spend my time in EVE, I'd spend it at cafTs, on going to the movies and such, all of which would cost a whole lot more per month than the subscription fee. Paying for EVE saves me money

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:57:00 - [23] There was no need to create a second thread for this subject when you had already posted this verbatim in your original thread. We all read it there, the first time, so this thread is redundant.


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