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Zorana Lionheart	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:22:00 - [1] In dealing with ore thieves that are harassing some corp friends etc, the rats all seem to be about 10months old, fly a noob frig and then come back after you pop it in a raven. I need some good suggestions for ships and setups for 1v1 pvp against a Raven. I can fly: Raven, Rokh, Scorp, Domi, Mega, Drake, Eagle, and a few other ships well. BS skills at lvl 5, same with HAC and BC skills. I have been out of the game for 8 months now and things are VERY different, so I need some help. For example warping around with my Eagle and stabs, until i got into a pvp situation I did not realize that my locking range had gone from 150km to 30km because of the change with stabs. Anyways I digress! Wanted: Raven killer!
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:23:00 - [2] I'd go for the Domi or Raven. Nano Cerb possibly, if the guy's running torps on that Raven. -Liang -- Originally by: Blake Abadon, Morsus Mihi insirgency caused the turn arround in the war against bob, when they forced the MM capital fleet to move back to defend their homeland.
amarr heroist	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:26:00 - [3] start train for abaddon if you ain't got a sucki fit then you will out class him!
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:33:00 - [4] 10 month old nublits? Gank thron. T2 Neutrons up high with faction ammo. MWD, web, scram, cap booster in the mids. Damage mods, 1600 plates, EANM and Damage control to taste in the mids. See how they like 1k+ DPS comming at them.
Captain Sonata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.05 06:11:00 - [5] A curse or 2, orbit fast, drain cap, dead bs with minimum effort.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.05 06:33:00 - [6] I say bring the domi with racial ECM in the mids and a rack of Ogre's and a rack of the EM heavy drones, then fit neuts in the highs. ***** his shield with the EM's/neuts, then rip him to pieces with the ogres.
Wayward Hero	Posted - 2008.05.05 06:42:00 - [7] Looking at your list of ships available for you too fly, my first instinct was to go for the Scorp, as one on one they can beat most other BS (though it might take a long time) However, a Raven with FoF missiles and a strong tank would give you some troubles. I would say use a medium neutron blaster fitted Domi. 6x Heavy Neutron Blasters (use tech 2 if possible) MWD, Web, Scram, Cap Injector (if desired, probably not necessary), Sensor Damp (resolution script, use second dampener if not using a cap injector) 2x Mag field Stabs (hybrid damage mods), 1 Lg. Armor Rep, 1600mm plate, armor hardeners (or nano membranes and Damage Control Unit) Drones Use a mix of EC-900's (Key) Ogre II's or Praetor II's The medium blasters (tech II with good skills and faction/tech II ammo) will put out nearly 400 DPS, and 5 EC-900's will have about a combined 37% chance to jam a Raven every 6 seconds for 6 second increments, plus the relock time (longer due to dampener), will reduce his DPS to almost nothing. Occasionally pull in the EC-900's and release the heavies for a DPS boost and to protect your frailer ECM drones from FoF missiles if he loads those. Keep yourself right on him and you should eat most of the FoF fire. If you don't want to mess around with the ECM drones, the straight up blaster Domi can put out nearly the DPS of a blaster megathron and still fit a strong tank. Heavy Neutron Blasters (medium guns) or Electron Blaster Cannons (heavy guns) work well on the Domi. Happy hunting.
Johnny Gurkha Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci	Posted - 2008.05.05 07:07:00 - [8] Rokh with a full rack of Neutron's. Tear him a new ********...
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.05 08:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Zorana Lionheart In dealing with ore thieves that are harassing some corp friends etc, the rats all seem to be about 10months old, fly a noob frig and then come back after you pop it in a raven. I need some good suggestions for ships and setups for 1v1 pvp against a Raven. I can fly: Raven, Rokh, Scorp, Domi, Mega, Drake, Eagle, and a few other ships well. BS skills at lvl 5, same with HAC and BC skills. I have been out of the game for 8 months now and things are VERY different, so I need some help. For example warping around with my Eagle and stabs, until i got into a pvp situation I did not realize that my locking range had gone from 150km to 30km because of the change with stabs. Anyways I digress! Wanted: Raven killer! Mega, but dont go for it unless you have it t2 fitted.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.05 10:06:00 - [10] Fit a cheap mining ship with a cargo and ship scanner, pop the harassing frig. When they come back in a raven, scan their fittings/ammo. Then fit your raven accordingly. Go for a standard buffer tanked torp raven and load their weakest damage type, although it might be worth tailoring your fit if they only carry one or two types of ammo. You should win pretty handilly.

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 10:10:00 - [11] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan 10 month old nublits? Gank thron. T2 Neutrons up high with faction ammo. MWD, web, scram, cap booster in the mids. Damage mods, 1600 plates, EANM and Damage control to taste in the mids. See how they like 1k+ DPS comming at them. 10 month old raven pilot (if he knows what hes aiming for) can pulverize mega pilot. Ravens also deal 1k+ DPS if you didnt know.
Taguchi Hiroko Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.05 11:47:00 - [12] Nos + Neut Domi eats Raven for breakfast.
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:28:00 - [13] No, nos+neutra domi don't eat a decent torp raven. BUT dominix whith 2xcaldari ECM .... ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:39:00 - [14] You guys are really forgetting EWAR... If you KNOW what ship he is going to be in then you KNOW what racial and exactly how much to bring to keep him permajammed... I highly recommend an EWAR set-up and then *****him.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Asuka Smith and exactly how much to bring to keep him permajammed... WTB jammer with 22 sensor strength. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:13:00 - [16] Okay exactly how much to bring to STATISTICALLY permajam him (which if you have ever flown a falcon is nearly always the same, and in a tanked BS he can tank a missed cycle.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:16:00 - [17] Edited by: Ryysa on 05/05/2008 18:16:54 It is not possible to statistically permamently jam* anything, with a higher sensor strength than your highest jamming strength of a single jammer. The value will slowly approach 100%, but it will never reach it. * This is assuming "permamently jam" means 100% jamming chance. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:17:00 - [18] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 05/05/2008 18:18:28 So do you argue semantics with the Falcon pilots in your corp too or? EDIT: BTW if you ever need to post a disclaimer in your thread to pseudo-strawman me then I am done replying.
Ryysa The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.05 18:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Ryysa on 05/05/2008 18:25:52 Originally by: Asuka Smith So do you argue semantics with the Falcon pilots in your corp too or? Uh? Did you ever finish primary school? Look at my guide if you want to know how to calculate jamming chance, perhaps you will realize that - as the amount of jammers, on which the jamming strength of each is not higher than the sensor strength of the target ship, approaches infinity, the jamming chance approaches 100%. C = (1-(1-J/S)^n)*100% where C = jamming chance, J = jammer strength, S = sensor strength, n = amount of jammers. lim(1-(1-J/S)^n) = 1 where n->inf. and J < S. Also, please learn what a "strawman" and a "disclaimer" is, you are making yourself look ridiculous. Or define, what you mean under "permamently jammed". EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.05 19:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Deva Blackfire 10 month old raven pilot (if he knows what hes aiming for) can pulverize mega pilot. Ravens also deal 1k+ DPS if you didnt know. Possible, i guess, but unlikely if it's a main. That would take one hyper focused training plan backed up by implants +3 or above from day one. 10 months is just about as fast as it can be done really and then your not really dealing with a nub but a vet's alt. Big difference. Gut tells me they're lacking on damage output or defense. Now, OP would be wise to run a ship scanner on the target(s) to look for the hole that's there.

Delnas White-Noise Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.05 19:21:00 - [21] Edited by: Delnas on 05/05/2008 19:23:08 A player popping miners in such a way probably doesn't want to fight a Battleship. As such, I would say you should go with the Domi and a cheap mining vessel. There are some truly craptastic Domi setups on the forums so try not to use one. Put a cloak plus two Caldari racial ECMs on your Dominix, and having your mining vessel warp scramble him before you decloak. Your mining vessel will die but it should buy you enough time to decloak and lock the Raven before it can warp out. Once you have killed the attacker once, based on his tactics, he will probably stop using you as victims. However, you might need to kill him a few times depending on the thickness of his skull. Dominix w/ 2* Caldari racial ECM versus a Raven is a slaughter regardless of the age of both pilots. **** White-Noise - Now recruiting! Nuff said.
IonMaiden Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.05 20:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: AKULA UrQuan 10 month old nublits? Gank thron. T2 Neutrons up high with faction ammo. MWD, web, scram, cap booster in the mids. Damage mods, 1600 plates, EANM and Damage control to taste in the mids. See how they like 1k+ DPS comming at them. 10 month old raven pilot (if he knows what hes aiming for) can pulverize mega pilot. Ravens also deal 1k+ DPS if you didnt know. now that will totally depend on your mega set-up, mine has around 40k armour and pretty decent resists across the board, me thinks that noob raven pilot won't be standing for long next to my mega, ravens drop way too easy as it is, a mega should bbq the raven!!
The Tzar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:12:00 - [23] Try this Rokh setup, it is my opinion that 1v1 this ship will destroy any other BS:- 4 x Torp Launchers 4 x Heavy Neuts 1 x 100MN MWD II 1 x Shield Boost Amp II 1 x XL Shield Booster II 2 x Invul Field II 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster 3 x BCU II 1 x DCU II 1 x PDU II 1 x Each of shield resist rigs (EM,TH,KI) 5 x Vespa EC-600 __________________________________________ 'Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear intelligent until they speak' __________________________________________
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:32:00 - [24] Originally by: The Tzar 1 x 100MN MWD II 1 x Shield Boost Amp II 1 x XL Shield Booster II 2 x Invul Field II 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster This doesn't exactly sound like a prearranged fight.... you just might need some tackle on this puppy. -Liang -- Originally by: Blake Abadon, Morsus Mihi insirgency caused the turn arround in the war against bob, when they forced the MM capital fleet to move back to defend their homeland.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:44:00 - [25] Edited by: Amastat on 07/05/2008 15:45:28 The Fit to silence all previous fits. Scorpion with 3-4 gravimetric jammers, bcu's on most of your lows, web, scramble, and torps/blasters on your high slots. Dominix with blasters, nos/neuts. Tank it out completely, a couple set of heavy drones, web, scrambler, and if you have the room put some damps on with scan/res scripts along with a set of t2 heavy ecm drones. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Gantrithor105 Caldari Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: The Tzar 1 x 100MN MWD II 1 x Shield Boost Amp II 1 x XL Shield Booster II 2 x Invul Field II 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster This doesn't exactly sound like a prearranged fight.... you just might need some tackle on this puppy. -Liang That and splitting your dmg systems on a ship w/ 8x turret slots is foolish. Then you need 2x the dmg mods. Go w/ a full rack of t2 blasters and you'll eat him for breakfast... use the extra lows to help sustain tankability you lose from having tackle gear.
Wannabehero Caldari Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:35:00 - [27] Originally by: The Tzar Try this Rokh setup, it is my opinion that 1v1 this ship will destroy any other BS:- 4 x Torp Launchers 4 x Heavy Neuts 1 x 100MN MWD II 1 x Shield Boost Amp II 1 x XL Shield Booster II 2 x Invul Field II 1 x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster 3 x BCU II 1 x DCU II 1 x PDU II 1 x Each of shield resist rigs (EM,TH,KI) 5 x Vespa EC-600 4 Heavy Neutralizers on an active shield tank with only one injector, no tackle gear, against a ship that does not need cap to fire and will be out DPS'ing you? -- Don't harsh my mellow
Professor Mariati Tech Ward	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:10:00 - [28] nueting scorp, with torps. always fun
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:19:00 - [29] harbinger? lots of DPS in the correct damage type. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2008.05.07 22:05:00 - [30] IF you know its a raven, and its always a raven, just a ship with nos/energy neuts and ECM should bring down a raven pretty fast. I personally would recomend a scorp because it fullfills the role of what you need to take down a raven knowing what your oponent is flying. Highs : 4 siege Launchers, arbies or T2 dont really matter. 1 heavy energy neut 1 heavy nos Meds : 3 Caldari specific ECMs, 1 warp scrambler (not warp disruptor) 1 heavy electrochemical cap (800 charges) 2 harders 1 shield booster Lows : 2 ballistic controls 1 cpu / pdu (depends if u need fitting mods to fit the heavy electrochem in there) 1 damage control u will need at least some form of a tank to tank the siege launchers why the 2 hardners / shield booster. meds : could also jus go with 7 caldari specific ECMS and 1 heavy electrochemical cap enjector to keep the cap flowing for your ECMs.. you'd be pretty much perma jamming the raven indefinately with 7 of them... he'd still get some locks onto you but not very many at all... ECM drones will help a lot too



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