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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:08:00 -
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I really hate to butt in here, because I know little to nothing about any NAP between CA and PA, but it has long been the practice of C4/CA to kill anyone they see in 0.0. Perhaps this is different if they have a NAP with a specific alliance, but as far as I can tell, they indiscriminately kill anyone who is not C4/CA (A2-V27 is an example of a place where this happens which is not in C4/CA space).
Having a NAP with people who do this is a dangerous and foolhardy proposition, especially considering there is almost no way an entity as large as the CA can control all of its members (especially those somewhat far afield).
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:56:00 -
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2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp [ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
lol ! rus guys are so funny
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chelsea rorec One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp [ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here. Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
Guy jumped in to A2, we don't have + standing to PA or Xetic or someone else, so all neutral are KOS until they state in local that they have NAP with CA. So he got some shield damage and warped away. His problem was that he asked 20 mill isk to compensate _shield damage_ That's why i set -10 to his corp. This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
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Neil Crow
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:14:00 -
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So RUS are pirating in A2-V27? Interesting.
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:26:00 -
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Corps operating in Querious region have close relations with SA. For example Genco is official "friend of MASS". So this region is a warzone. Rules of warzone: non blue = kos until they state in local that they have a NAP with CA.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:42:00 -
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to the poster, I'd personally say CA are pretty good at honouring NAPs, most of the non adherances to previous Naps were done by us......just coz we aint too fond of NAP's which offer nothing back.
As we are no longer CA Id say that they should be able to assist you, I beleive Saladin is the CA contact these days
Ive seen first hand the greif you get for shooting Nap'd folks so to re-iterate my point, yes I think CA try to uphold what they say .....I just dont like what gets said
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chelsea rorec One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u [ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp [ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here. Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
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Shar Gath
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sergunja This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
Originally by: Tansien As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
So do you know what NAP is or not? You're an alliance or just a bunch of pilots shooting everything that pops up on the screen?
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:44:00 -
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demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sergunja demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
You gonna duplicate them to death? -------------------------
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:21:00 -
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****take follow the normal lines of communication. Posting the boards will not get you anywhere. It only shows that your intent is to cause problems rather than fix them --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Saladin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Estios to the poster, I'd personally say CA are pretty good at honouring NAPs, most of the non adherances to previous Naps were done by us......just coz we aint too fond of NAP's which offer nothing back.
As we are no longer CA Id say that they should be able to assist you, I beleive Saladin is the CA contact these days
Ive seen first hand the greif you get for shooting Nap'd folks so to re-iterate my point, yes I think CA try to uphold what they say .....I just dont like what gets said
Damnit Estios cut that out, its not funny any more.
I am not a point of contact, do not bother me --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Absurd
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Reclaimer Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
I have a feeling that The Reclamer is getting a bit worried that his little alliance will get yet another war on its hand, and we all know that CA wont be for much longer in its present form since they are suffering heavy losses every single day and are prevented to function fully within their own regions.
So Reclaimer please feel free to negotiate with your soon to be attacker all you want, its only prolonging the enevitable, wich is the death of your alliance.
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Mr Nice
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Gath
Originally by: Sergunja This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
Originally by: Tansien As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
So do you know what NAP is or not? You're an alliance or just a bunch of pilots shooting everything that pops up on the screen?
A NAP as far as im aware, means a Non-Agression Pact. Fairly simple enough language there, you dont shoot me, i dont shoot you. However, the point my corp mate was making was that no one in their right mind decides to go "on tour" around a war zone just because they feel safe. Would you in real life, venture into an area of the world where two entities are shooting each other, just because you had a promise from both sides that you wouldnt be shot at? If you say yes to that question, youre either insane, or a Charity/Religious worker. Its a war, people sometimes shoot 1st, and ask questions later. The only way you will avoid it, is if you avoid the area altogether! The real question that should be asked, and was asked by my corp mate, is what was so important that you had to risk friendly fire?
On behalf of myself, because I speak for no other person/organisation, I apologise for your traumatic incident, but equally I wonder just what made you go there in the 1st place. I also hope you have learned the lesson, return and risk the same, not because CA break NAPs, but because like you, we are human. We even fire on our own, but they dont post here
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.04.28 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator
Originally by: Sergunja demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
You gonna duplicate them to death?
ROTFLMAO
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.04.28 13:10:00 -
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Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried. Spawn of the Devil
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Corner
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Posted - 2004.04.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
Woken up in the wrong bed today Omni?
I am sure you can add some more hate and then still blame CA for being forum warriors if you really try...
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Mr Nice
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
and now they fight alongside you
afaik, we asked them to stop, so they decided to fight us instead, along with the rest of eve. Its a valid enough choice, regardless of what methods they used to effect it.
People seem to think that Alliances are one big entity which thinks collectively, and acts collectively. Truth is, just like to corps everyone are in, you think as an individual, then as a corp, then as an alliance. From an alliance level, and a corp level, people can only be *asked* not demanded, to comply with the rules. We could no more demand ATUK to stop attackin XETIC than we can demand them to stop attacking us. When it came down to the crunch, stop or leave, they left. If people would just accept that, the game would be much more chilled.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Nice When it came down to the crunch, stop or leave, they left. If people would just accept that, the game would be much more chilled.
As an intresting point: they stopped and left. It's not always you see people choose the third alternative in a binary choice. --
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: thuggie Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30 I believe Corp 1 is pretty much KOS for any major alliance.
And also some of the smaller ones, albeit harder for us to actually kill on sight
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:01:00 -
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Quote: Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
CA is only to blame for poor judgement on ATUK in believing in their claims that we began the hostilities.
ATUK/MOO are ultimately to blame for the attacks and their attempted plan to cause conflict between the two alliance.
It is my hope that CA, SA and the other alliances one day realize how counter productive it is to support or work with these pirate groups.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:21:00 -
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So the attacks from c0w are forgotten already?
We first went in to XETIC space because our location agents found several c0w members in that region, I informed them that we were attacking XETIC because they were allied with c0w since they were in their space, XETIC then said c0w was engaging their miners so I informed XETIC that c0w was in CA unofficially and it was admitted on these here boards by both mursilis and Reverend Necrona.
The reason for c0w¦s attacks was that XIrtanvotf was denied when he wanted to mine zydrane yelding ores in XETIC space right after the new stations came to the game, I know this because I sat on meetings between CA and XAETIC that same day when the stations came.
People can deny that all they want and I cant proof it because it happaned on teamspeak and I do not record what happans on TS, but it is still a fact wether you believe it or not. Spawn of the Devil
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/04/2004 03:24:53
S-hittake, your answer is further up the page in this thread from Robotech Hybrid.
Quote: ... the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated. -- robotek hybrid
He basically says that FE exiles in Curse are considering that your NAP with CA is the old NAP with FE. Which means that PA is not allowed into Tribute and Vale.
Thats why they shot at you.
Basically I think you have been sold the wrong NAP by whoever did the negotiation.
So now comes a decision time.
Keep this "NAP" with CA(FE/Oracles) and PA is not allowed into Tribute/Vale.
Or reject the "NAP" and join FU/CoD/RKK/Celest/Norad/Jericho and the northern allies in the fight to make Tribute/Vale a free territory.
And thats pretty much the choice.
The nap that was agreed was tha PA and CA would not shoot each other aside from in their territory. However it was also agreed that tribute/vale would be open territory and not claimed by either side.. Anyhow a lots happened since the agreement of that nap, and I'm not fully up on it, so I can't really comment on where things are now.
But I do know the PA never agreed to a NAP that prohibited us from entering Tribute/Vale. That is for certain. Maybe the message that filtered down the ranks became corrupt like chineese whispers :P who knows.
Anyhow, I'll reserve future comment till I know whats going on :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:21:00 -
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That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
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Lightor
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lightor on 28/04/2004 16:34:05
Originally by: Teelmaster That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
Nice to see one of the true forum warrior in his pride
*edit, a word of warning is needed. When approaching these creatures you need to be careful as they carry lots of verbal venom in their jaws. When caught on the wrong side of the fence so to say...
David out
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Absurd
Originally by: The Reclaimer Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
I have a feeling that The Reclamer is getting a bit worried that his little alliance will get yet another war on its hand, and we all know that CA wont be for much longer in its present form since they are suffering heavy losses every single day and are prevented to function fully within their own regions.
So Reclaimer please feel free to negotiate with your soon to be attacker all you want, its only prolonging the enevitable, wich is the death of your alliance.
How about you take your suggestions and assumptions and shove them up your ass? I was one of the only senior members on at that time, so, without knowing whom to contact ASSUMED I would have to deal with it.
Since you feel the need to post as an alt due to not haveing the stones to do it with a real character it says volumes about your character or lack there of.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Teelmaster That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:45:00 -
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Quote: Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
Yeah, good thing i wasnt one of the founders of CA or wasn't a council member for 6 months or else i wouldnt know anything.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:47:00 -
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As of last night the Non Aggression Pact between the Phoenix Alliance and the Curse Alliance has been cordualy agreed NULL and VOID by both parties. CA, you have the rogue elements of the lingering FE/Oracles + friends in Tribute to thank for its demise. They personaly informed me of their intentions of reclaiming Tribute and Vale for themselves during heated negotiations. We found this completely unacceptable and in violation of the spirit of the NAP. I know that CA would have like to have held this NAP, and did there best at the negotiation table (kudos, Eternaldark) to maintain and strengthen it, but the lack of disipline in space over various rogue elements and the over-complication of our existing treaties, has forced us to now bow out of this NAP.
This in NOT a declaration of war or intent of hostilities on the CA.
For now we turn our attention to the forces trying to regain Tribute and Vale of the Silent.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: The Reclaimer
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
Pot Kettle Black
cough Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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