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Shittake
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:03:00 -
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Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Not wanting to lose my cargo, I immediately MWDed my way back towards the gate from which I came, I was locked and fired upon, but jumped back in time.
It was my understanding the PA member corps and CA member corps had a NAP in this region. If I'm incorrect, please tell me.
My question to CA alliance leadership is do you honor NAPs to which you enter? If so, why does it appear that you have not honored this NAP.
By the way, I was the 3rd to get attacked by CA today.
Please help me understand.
Thanks
****take
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:55:00 -
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ATUK are not in CA any longer.
Please contact a CA represenative regarding this matter EternalDark - u can mail him in game for example. Not really the place for the forums as i am sure u can agree.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:03:00 -
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Yeah we are the only ebil ones in CA 
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Trooble
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:08:00 -
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Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:15:00 -
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****take the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated.
Basicly nothing has changed, only RKK is alot louder on the forums.
Dont forget that just because we arent one giant corp anymore doesnt mean we arent the force we used to be.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trooble
Quote:
Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
That's my fault. ATUK _WAS_ curse and I quoted one of their pilots. Reverend was responding to me. I'll edit my post.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Trooble
Quote:
Today I'm flying through Vale of the Silent on my way to empire when I jumped though a gate and saw about 12-15 members of Oracles of Curse and Forsaken Empire camping the gate.
Where does it say ATUK in that Reverend?
2nd post down.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2004.04.28 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: ****take on 28/04/2004 02:54:00
Robotek, thank for adding to my understanding.
The problem is, our diplomats have been talking with CA's diplomats, and to my knowledge, the temporary NAP between the PA and the CA is still in effect.
As far as I know, Reikoku is not in the PA (which is probably why they didn't warn me before I jumped where they were camping, to which the other side was camped by Oracles/FE camping party). Thanks for the "heads-up" Reikoku.
I have heard alot of bad press about the CA, but I always give people the "benefit of the doubt". I started this thread because I want to undestand the CA's reason for attacking me today. I made no provocative or agressive actions towards them and was targetted and shot at without a convo or message in local chat. Just shooting, no talking.
I would just like to know the "whys" of attacks against my corp and alliance mates over the past few days, in a region to which CA & PA diplomats have a temporary NAP on agressive actions.
I'm not whining or complaining, just looking for reasons.
Thanks
****take
The thing is, I'd rather
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:10:00 -
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You have a NAP. Why would we NEED to give you a heads-up?
*grins*
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/04/2004 03:24:53
S-hittake, your answer is further up the page in this thread from Robotech Hybrid.
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... the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated. -- robotek hybrid
He basically says that FE exiles in Curse are considering that your NAP with CA is the old NAP with FE. Which means that PA is not allowed into Tribute and Vale.
Thats why they shot at you.
Basically I think you have been sold the wrong NAP by whoever did the negotiation.
So now comes a decision time.
Keep this "NAP" with CA(FE/Oracles) and PA is not allowed into Tribute/Vale.
Or reject the "NAP" and join FU/CoD/RKK/Celest/Norad/Jericho and the northern allies in the fight to make Tribute/Vale a free territory.
And thats pretty much the choice.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: LLeBRing on 28/04/2004 03:24:49
some more FYI
Blazing Dawn & R.U.S.H. have fired for the first time on R-K members in Syndicate/Solitude region TODAY 
We have ALL logs to prove it, and have contacted Blazing Dawn (no reply).
R.U.S.H has yet to be contacted
CA ball is now in your court.
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gafton on 28/04/2004 03:31:43
lmao jade you're funny.
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OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal
Funny, cause you'd shoot us if we came into curse :) CA must have their heads up their collective a.s.s.e.s. Either that or you're all illeterate.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:27:00 -
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OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal. Its a mutual agreement meaning we will leave each other alone. Oh and ive taken bjorns job as pass giver outer of the vale region for any corp that wants to propser in 0.0 :)...
oh wait i cant because rkk are waring with us o well it seems rkk doesnt want corporations to propser in free space such as vale of the silent.
naughty RKK CO. trying to put down the free members of EVE :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:28:00 -
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LLebring, you and I have had hard words in the past but I really don't like to see you guys getting made to look like idiots over this false NAP. Clearly you expected it to mean something other than ... (FE/Oracles of Curse) keep dominion over Tribute like they did when they still had a corp.
Seriously, bin the NAP and come out fighting. At this stage it really is your best option.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:32:00 -
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OH but miss constantine :) the nap also states that we will leave THEM alone and they have the right to blow us to hell and back if we enter Venal. Its a mutual agreement meaning we will leave each other alone. Oh and ive taken bjorns job as pass giver outer of the vale region for any corp that wants to propser in 0.0 :)...
Yes but here is the thing mr Hybrid. PA thought they were getting a NAP that meant they could travel safely in Tribute and Vale and now you have explained that actually they are getting the old FE NAP back tranfered into the name of the Oracles of Curse. Colour that anyway you pleade, but you rooked them good and proper.
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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:32:00 -
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Yeah I agree Jade,
However all I am doing here is relaying the facts so that both PA and CA members know. Our second incident is in Solitude/Syndicate, which is obviously not near Tribute or Vale.
Previous post above tells of the corps.
like I said, next move is CA
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:42:00 -
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jade, we were NOT getting the old fe nap. Negotiations were for a whole new nap with new conditions. Certain ca corps apparently didnt want to honor the new nap, so we're at our current situation.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:42:00 -
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I really have to appoligize. PA is right, and I can only assume that there has been miscommunication. I will look into it asap.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gafton
jade, we were NOT getting the old fe nap. Negotiations were for a whole new nap with new conditions. Certain ca corps apparently didnt want to honor the new nap, so we're at our current situation.
All i'm doing here is drawing your attention to what Robotek Hybrid (Oracles of Curse) just said. I'm not even interpreting ... its up there in black and white.
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Trooble
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:53:00 -
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Not wanting to lose my cargo, I immediately MWDed my way back towards the gate from which I came, I was locked and fired upon, but jumped back in time.
If you "thought" you had a NAP, then why on earth were u scared and had to make a run for it, and thinking your gonna lose your cargo eh?
Dont come cryin on the boards you silly little man, its 0.0 space, get used to it.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 03:59:00 -
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Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:01:00 -
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yea jade i also said that unless anything changed while iwas gone the one time ytou dont take something from context.
im sorry that i was inactive the past 4 days but i have to write a speech a really friggin long one so if theres a new nap that says PA can travel wherever the hell they want then my guess is the pilots were uninformed as was i to what happened ill personally reimburse thta pilot with my sorry arese isk i have left now that i paid my debts.
so jade if u would like to continue to tarnish what weve been trying to polish do it in game and blow up soomething bigger than my griffon next time please and thank you
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:05:00 -
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so jade if u would like to continue to tarnish what weve been trying to polish do it in game and blow up soomething bigger than my griffon next time please and thank you
You were the man brought a griffon to a frigate fight old chap, no point crying about it now ;)
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Marlene Shian
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
Dont you have corp1 in your ranks?
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Gafton
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:50:00 -
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matter resolved
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marlene Shian
Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 02:19:31
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:21
Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 28/04/2004 01:20:00
<removed quote from a pilot of ATUK, which is no longer affiliated with the Curse Alliance>
posted in this thread "CA needs to kick the pirate base within their ranks"
ATUK may be gone from Curse Alliance, but several others within their ranks are known to pirate. I suspect contacting their higher-ups might get some results, and I wish you luck.
Dont you have corp1 in your ranks?
LOL, NO!
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thuggie
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30
i belive corp1 is pritty much KOS for any major alliance.
But this is not the first time i've heard about The Oracles of Curse "pirating" - if you can call it that.
A good friend of mine who started playing EVE not to long ago lost his first cruiser in 0.4 space to these guys... way to go, anti-pirates.
I know that CA has for some time clained *.*(everything) in EVE to justify their wars... fair enaugh, atleast they know whats comming... but 0.4? Are you trying to claim semi-empire? Or can you admit that this corp is blowing up noobs for no reason?
Atleast leave some room for noobs to explore this game without loosing what they've worked for the last months because you are bored.
Hell.. atleast space invaders would web and warpscramble you untill you've emptyed your cargohold and donated some isk - atleast thats the general idea - Things dont allways go according to plans i suppose
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: thuggie
Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30
i belive corp1 is pritty much KOS for any major alliance.
But this is not the first time i've heard about The Oracles of Curse "pirating" - if you can call it that.
A good friend of mine who started playing EVE not to long ago lost his first cruiser in 0.4 space to these guys... way to go, anti-pirates.
I know that CA has for some time clained *.*(everything) in EVE to justify their wars... fair enaugh, atleast they know whats comming... but 0.4? Are you trying to claim semi-empire? Or can you admit that this corp is blowing up noobs for no reason?
Atleast leave some room for noobs to explore this game without loosing what they've worked for the last months because you are bored.
Hell.. atleast space invaders would web and warpscramble you untill you've emptyed your cargohold and donated some isk - atleast thats the general idea - Things dont allways go according to plans i suppose
Wow...incredible how far our grasp is considering we've been around for 2 weeks...
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Chelsea rorec
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:56:00 -
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One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here.
Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:08:00 -
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I really hate to butt in here, because I know little to nothing about any NAP between CA and PA, but it has long been the practice of C4/CA to kill anyone they see in 0.0. Perhaps this is different if they have a NAP with a specific alliance, but as far as I can tell, they indiscriminately kill anyone who is not C4/CA (A2-V27 is an example of a place where this happens which is not in C4/CA space).
Having a NAP with people who do this is a dangerous and foolhardy proposition, especially considering there is almost no way an entity as large as the CA can control all of its members (especially those somewhat far afield).
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:56:00 -
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2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
lol ! rus guys are so funny
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Chelsea rorec
One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here.
Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
Guy jumped in to A2, we don't have + standing to PA or Xetic or someone else, so all neutral are KOS until they state in local that they have NAP with CA. So he got some shield damage and warped away. His problem was that he asked 20 mill isk to compensate _shield damage_ That's why i set -10 to his corp. This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
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Neil Crow
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:14:00 -
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So RUS are pirating in A2-V27? Interesting.
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:26:00 -
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Corps operating in Querious region have close relations with SA. For example Genco is official "friend of MASS". So this region is a warzone. Rules of warzone: non blue = kos until they state in local that they have a NAP with CA.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:42:00 -
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to the poster, I'd personally say CA are pretty good at honouring NAPs, most of the non adherances to previous Naps were done by us......just coz we aint too fond of NAP's which offer nothing back.
As we are no longer CA Id say that they should be able to assist you, I beleive Saladin is the CA contact these days 
Ive seen first hand the greif you get for shooting Nap'd folks so to re-iterate my point, yes I think CA try to uphold what they say .....I just dont like what gets said 
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chelsea rorec
One of my guys was fired on by AUI nitros in A2-V27 even tho i spammed the nap in local ..when approached in a private chat and asked why he said he fires on everyone and when i said i would report it him and his cronies he got in from RUS got hostile and said they will fire on any PA ships.
[ 2004.04.27 15:04:35 ] Zloba > next time we will pod u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:16 ] Zloba > we see u = we kill u
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:22 ] Zloba > and your ****ty corp
[ 2004.04.27 15:05:45 ] Zloba > go away
Some serious miscommunication here.
Next time ill have my pilots defend themselfs
As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
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Shar Gath
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sergunja
This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
Originally by: Tansien
As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
So do you know what NAP is or not? You're an alliance or just a bunch of pilots shooting everything that pops up on the screen?
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Sergunja
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:44:00 -
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demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.04.28 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sergunja
demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
You gonna duplicate them to death?
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:21:00 -
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****take follow the normal lines of communication. Posting the boards will not get you anywhere. It only shows that your intent is to cause problems rather than fix them
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Saladin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Estios
to the poster, I'd personally say CA are pretty good at honouring NAPs, most of the non adherances to previous Naps were done by us......just coz we aint too fond of NAP's which offer nothing back.
As we are no longer CA Id say that they should be able to assist you, I beleive Saladin is the CA contact these days
Ive seen first hand the greif you get for shooting Nap'd folks so to re-iterate my point, yes I think CA try to uphold what they say .....I just dont like what gets said
Damnit Estios cut that out, its not funny any more.
I am not a point of contact, do not bother me
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Absurd
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Reclaimer
Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
I have a feeling that The Reclamer is getting a bit worried that his little alliance will get yet another war on its hand, and we all know that CA wont be for much longer in its present form since they are suffering heavy losses every single day and are prevented to function fully within their own regions.
So Reclaimer please feel free to negotiate with your soon to be attacker all you want, its only prolonging the enevitable, wich is the death of your alliance.
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Mr Nice
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Gath
Originally by: Sergunja
This is not PA vs CA matter. This is personal RUS vs "i don't remember his corp name".
Originally by: Tansien
As PA may or may not be aware, even tho we have a NAP it's not very smart to go running into warzones. I for one wonder, what where you even doing on the other side of the universe, in a warzone?
So do you know what NAP is or not? You're an alliance or just a bunch of pilots shooting everything that pops up on the screen?
A NAP as far as im aware, means a Non-Agression Pact. Fairly simple enough language there, you dont shoot me, i dont shoot you. However, the point my corp mate was making was that no one in their right mind decides to go "on tour" around a war zone just because they feel safe. Would you in real life, venture into an area of the world where two entities are shooting each other, just because you had a promise from both sides that you wouldnt be shot at? If you say yes to that question, youre either insane, or a Charity/Religious worker. Its a war, people sometimes shoot 1st, and ask questions later. The only way you will avoid it, is if you avoid the area altogether! The real question that should be asked, and was asked by my corp mate, is what was so important that you had to risk friendly fire?
On behalf of myself, because I speak for no other person/organisation, I apologise for your traumatic incident, but equally I wonder just what made you go there in the 1st place. I also hope you have learned the lesson, return and risk the same, not because CA break NAPs, but because like you, we are human. We even fire on our own, but they dont post here
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.04.28 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator
Originally by: Sergunja
demand 20 mill cos we damaged his shields is highest degree of disrespect. we will kill such people.
You gonna duplicate them to death?
ROTFLMAO
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.04.28 13:10:00 -
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Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
Spawn of the Devil
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Corner
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Posted - 2004.04.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar
Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
Woken up in the wrong bed today Omni?
I am sure you can add some more hate and then still blame CA for being forum warriors if you really try...
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Mr Nice
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar
Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
and now they fight alongside you 
afaik, we asked them to stop, so they decided to fight us instead, along with the rest of eve. Its a valid enough choice, regardless of what methods they used to effect it.
People seem to think that Alliances are one big entity which thinks collectively, and acts collectively. Truth is, just like to corps everyone are in, you think as an individual, then as a corp, then as an alliance. From an alliance level, and a corp level, people can only be *asked* not demanded, to comply with the rules. We could no more demand ATUK to stop attackin XETIC than we can demand them to stop attacking us. When it came down to the crunch, stop or leave, they left. If people would just accept that, the game would be much more chilled.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Nice
When it came down to the crunch, stop or leave, they left. If people would just accept that, the game would be much more chilled.
As an intresting point: they stopped and left. It's not always you see people choose the third alternative in a binary choice.
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.04.28 14:54:00 -
[50]
Originally by: thuggie
Edited by: thuggie on 28/04/2004 05:28:30
I believe Corp 1 is pretty much KOS for any major alliance.
And also some of the smaller ones, albeit harder for us to actually kill on sight 
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:01:00 -
[51]
Quote:
Just look at the NAP CA and XETIC have, it works great.
Official Curse Alliance members do not shoot at XETIC pilots and they do not enter each other space.
But here is what makes it work so well :
CA has a corp that is "non offical member", (same as we were at one pont) and they went in to Immensea region to kill XETIC pilots and gain from their deaths, wich of course has no ties to CA what so ever since that particular corp is not "official" member of CA, and yet that same corp fights in most CA fight along side them.
So the answer would be no, CA does not honor NAP¦s unless they are getting worried.
CA is only to blame for poor judgement on ATUK in believing in their claims that we began the hostilities.
ATUK/MOO are ultimately to blame for the attacks and their attempted plan to cause conflict between the two alliance.
It is my hope that CA, SA and the other alliances one day realize how counter productive it is to support or work with these pirate groups.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:21:00 -
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So the attacks from c0w are forgotten already?
We first went in to XETIC space because our location agents found several c0w members in that region, I informed them that we were attacking XETIC because they were allied with c0w since they were in their space, XETIC then said c0w was engaging their miners so I informed XETIC that c0w was in CA unofficially and it was admitted on these here boards by both mursilis and Reverend Necrona.
The reason for c0w¦s attacks was that XIrtanvotf was denied when he wanted to mine zydrane yelding ores in XETIC space right after the new stations came to the game, I know this because I sat on meetings between CA and XAETIC that same day when the stations came.
People can deny that all they want and I cant proof it because it happaned on teamspeak and I do not record what happans on TS, but it is still a fact wether you believe it or not.
Spawn of the Devil
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:35:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/04/2004 03:24:53
S-hittake, your answer is further up the page in this thread from Robotech Hybrid.
Quote:
... the reason for this being is because the origional NAP stated that we wouldnt bother eachother NOR would we trespass on eachothers territory. All this press releasing crap has clouded the clear. Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated. -- robotek hybrid
He basically says that FE exiles in Curse are considering that your NAP with CA is the old NAP with FE. Which means that PA is not allowed into Tribute and Vale.
Thats why they shot at you.
Basically I think you have been sold the wrong NAP by whoever did the negotiation.
So now comes a decision time.
Keep this "NAP" with CA(FE/Oracles) and PA is not allowed into Tribute/Vale.
Or reject the "NAP" and join FU/CoD/RKK/Celest/Norad/Jericho and the northern allies in the fight to make Tribute/Vale a free territory.
And thats pretty much the choice.
The nap that was agreed was tha PA and CA would not shoot each other aside from in their territory. However it was also agreed that tribute/vale would be open territory and not claimed by either side.. Anyhow a lots happened since the agreement of that nap, and I'm not fully up on it, so I can't really comment on where things are now.
But I do know the PA never agreed to a NAP that prohibited us from entering Tribute/Vale. That is for certain. Maybe the message that filtered down the ranks became corrupt like chineese whispers :P who knows.
Anyhow, I'll reserve future comment till I know whats going on :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:21:00 -
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That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
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Lightor
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:29:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Lightor on 28/04/2004 16:34:05
Originally by: Teelmaster
That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
Nice to see one of the true forum warrior in his pride
*edit, a word of warning is needed. When approaching these creatures you need to be careful as they carry lots of verbal venom in their jaws. When caught on the wrong side of the fence so to say...
David out
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:34:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Absurd
Originally by: The Reclaimer
Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
I have a feeling that The Reclamer is getting a bit worried that his little alliance will get yet another war on its hand, and we all know that CA wont be for much longer in its present form since they are suffering heavy losses every single day and are prevented to function fully within their own regions.
So Reclaimer please feel free to negotiate with your soon to be attacker all you want, its only prolonging the enevitable, wich is the death of your alliance.
How about you take your suggestions and assumptions and shove them up your ass? I was one of the only senior members on at that time, so, without knowing whom to contact ASSUMED I would have to deal with it.
Since you feel the need to post as an alt due to not haveing the stones to do it with a real character it says volumes about your character or lack there of.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:41:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Teelmaster
That CA constitution isn't worth the webspace it was put on at this point. In fact, it was only created to "officially" give up pirating, although it never really was. CA wouldnt give a rat's ass about PA if they didn't already have enough on their plate. Their balls are getting a crunch and now they act like they care, but actions speak a lot louder than words. I'm surprised it has lasted more than a week. Those CFS NAP's lasted about 2 days.
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:45:00 -
[58]
Quote:
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
Yeah, good thing i wasnt one of the founders of CA or wasn't a council member for 6 months or else i wouldnt know anything.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:47:00 -
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As of last night the Non Aggression Pact between the Phoenix Alliance and the Curse Alliance has been cordualy agreed NULL and VOID by both parties. CA, you have the rogue elements of the lingering FE/Oracles + friends in Tribute to thank for its demise. They personaly informed me of their intentions of reclaiming Tribute and Vale for themselves during heated negotiations. We found this completely unacceptable and in violation of the spirit of the NAP. I know that CA would have like to have held this NAP, and did there best at the negotiation table (kudos, Eternaldark) to maintain and strengthen it, but the lack of disipline in space over various rogue elements and the over-complication of our existing treaties, has forced us to now bow out of this NAP.
This in NOT a declaration of war or intent of hostilities on the CA.
For now we turn our attention to the forces trying to regain Tribute and Vale of the Silent.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:09:00 -
[60]
Originally by: The Reclaimer
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
Pot
Kettle
Black
cough
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:22:00 -
[61]
Last time, I swear...
Quote From Eve Forums
Propehcy
Caldari
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing Posted - 2004.04.23 06:19:00 û
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I hate all of eve, and everyone in it. Jf (Jerico Faction) are 2nd on my list to die. right after im' done with a business deal, JF is going to burn, along with all the other fools up in the North. Like CELES, CoD, NORAD, FU, and Esspecially RKK. I've had enough of your good doing. you're all going to burn.
Much Better.
*** Proud û Rogue -
Member Of The Curse Alliance ***
Now, why would anyone not like CA? Oh, wait, Propehcy just blowing off steam....
I gotta remember to ask him next time he threatens homicide and global domination, is this is 'official' CA party line, or just him having a bad day? If CA would pull in their rouge members, it would behoove them all.
Stupid dogs -> short leashes -> everyone happier...
And Propehcy, you sig is still broken....
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:39:00 -
[62]
Repeat after me.
Eve is a GAME.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:47:00 -
[63]
EVE is a game
Heated discussion is welcome and fun to read but flaming is not.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:00:00 -
[64]
Yep eve is a game, and its a damned fun game ;)
So, firstly I'd like to congratulate the Phoenix Alliance for discarding the NAP with the Curse Alliance. I think this is a positive step on the road to recreating some trust and mutual respect in the north.
Can I ask Halseth to clarify the targets for the Phoenix Alliance in Tribute/Vale. Will you be considering FE/CA/Oracles units there to be valid engagement targets and will you be cooporating with RKK and allies to drive out the remnent FE?
Also will the Phoenix Alliance recognise and respect the current intention on the part of the Tribute allies to keep the region free and open to neutral traffic in the future?
Love and peace
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:01:00 -
[65]
I once had a nap with CA but Macumba snores a lot and nobody got any sleep that night.......
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:16:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I once had a nap with CA but Macumba snores a lot and nobody got any sleep that night.......
Lies, you were snoring!
This is not a hijack
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:17:00 -
[67]
/me refrains from enquiring how she knows about my sleeping habits
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:06:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
He basically says that FE exiles in Curse are considering that your NAP with CA is the old NAP with FE. Which means that PA is not allowed into Tribute and Vale.
Thats why they shot at you.
Basically I think you have been sold the wrong NAP by whoever did the negotiation.
That is not correct Jade, please allow me to clarify:
NAP with CA included in an EXPLICIT way that Vale of the Silent and Tribute were to be OPEN regions. CA and PA voted in their respective councils and agreed to those terms.
The only corps that did not respect that NAP are those F-E exiles.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Teelmaster
Quote:
Good thing you are a respected person, lest ppl wouldnt believe you.
Yeah, good thing i wasnt one of the founders of CA or wasn't a council member for 6 months or else i wouldnt know anything.
What's even better is your mathmatical skills. Somehow you were a council member for 6 months, yet only in Sinister for 3 months. And, FYI, you were not a council member, you just thought you were. Leyla nad Raidek were the two allowed per corp for Sinister.
But then again, why confuse facts with your ignorance.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:33:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Notferr on 28/04/2004 19:38:40
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:36:00 -
[71]
Never mind... Blantant flaming... I apoligize....
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:39:00 -
[72]
any non CA corp are KOS in the F-E space
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:41:00 -
[73]
And, like, what else is new???
*** BREAKING NEWS ***
SA AND CA ARE AT WAR! MORE TO FOLLOW!
*** BREAKING NEWS ***
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Gafton
illeterate.
that's "illiterate."
i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry, i know, but of ALL the words to mispell.... i mean come on... how could i not
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.04.28 19:42:00 -
[75]
And we love you too Havocide. I'll be out that way to shoot at you later on today. Anyway...
I'd just point out that what RKK et al. consider free space might not conicide with what CA and PA consider free space.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:09:00 -
[76]
Originally by: The Reclaimer
I really have to appoligize. PA is right, and I can only assume that there has been miscommunication. I will look into it asap.
who are you and what you have you done with The Reclaimer
sorry man... i'm all caffeinated, i think i'll leave the boards for a bit...
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:18:00 -
[77]
Well, I hate to see ppl who are poorly informed make the rest of us look bad.
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Maxim Dane
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:19:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Maxim Dane on 28/04/2004 20:22:24
Edited by: Maxim Dane on 28/04/2004 20:21:04
Im just surprised that people dont see how obvious it is that CA is a pirate infested alliance, has been , will continue to be and are therefore not to be trusted....sure they promise this and they promise that but in the end of the day the result is always the same...... aggression and denial.......
Just stop trying to keep NAPs with them.... use your precious time to alliance yourself with corps/alliances that honor such agreements and actually keep their members fully aware of the results of breaking them.
Thats what they fear most...they are already breaking up.....
"If it works, no need to fix it, NERF IT...." |
Erys
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:44:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kronarty
That is not correct Jade, please allow me to clarify:
NAP with CA included in an EXPLICIT way that Vale of the Silent and Tribute were to be OPEN regions. CA and PA voted in their respective councils and agreed to those terms.
The only corps that did not respect that NAP are those F-E exiles.
Which part did you not understand Maxim?
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Maxim Dane
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:46:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Erys
Originally by: Kronarty
That is not correct Jade, please allow me to clarify:
NAP with CA included in an EXPLICIT way that Vale of the Silent and Tribute were to be OPEN regions. CA and PA voted in their respective councils and agreed to those terms.
The only corps that did not respect that NAP are those F-E exiles.
Which part did you not understand Maxim?
Oh dont worry about me so much, I get it .....but seems many CA members dont...
"If it works, no need to fix it, NERF IT...." |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.28 20:51:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Absurd
Originally by: The Reclaimer
Can someone post a contact for the PA who is online whom we can speak with right now about this matter.
I have a feeling that The Reclamer is getting a bit worried that his little alliance will get yet another war on its hand, and we all know that CA wont be for much longer in its present form since they are suffering heavy losses every single day and are prevented to function fully within their own regions.
So Reclaimer please feel free to negotiate with your soon to be attacker all you want, its only prolonging the enevitable, wich is the death of your alliance.
at least your name suits you
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:07:00 -
[82]
this thread is so offtopic now that i fear alan titchmarsh will come in here and start to discuss when to plant you veggies
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:21:00 -
[83]
if only i had an alt called alan titchmarsh
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Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:59:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Jhered Stern on 28/04/2004 22:00:40
Robotek Hybrid
Just because RKK claim they have beaton us doesnt mean we are beaton we are still there and honour all previous agreements that were made. As far as I know the NAP has not been updated.
When did this happen?
Anyway back to the thread...
First of all the ôNPAö in question here is the ôNAPö with the Curse Alliance. Second, Tribute, The Vale of the Silent and The Geminate region are Curse ôlegallyö claimed and recognized space. Third, while the Oracles of Curse and the FE are not, one in the same, despite what the Jericho Monsters want everyone to believe; The Forsaken Empire still exists and its former policies are still in effect; hence the confusion between the two ôNAPÆSö.
ItÆs all quite simple really! PA must continue to obey the rules of their former ôNAPö with the Forsaken Empireö and the rules to the new ôNAPö with the Curse Alliance. The individual that was assaulted in The Vale of the Silent was in the wrong place.
What confuses me is this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=76678
Where the Northern Alliance has laid claim to Curse Space! Hmmà really now?
I realize that a lot of confusion has come about due to my lack of involvement in Northern Curse politics of late but IÆm afraid that is no excuse. You see despite my right to claim the Imperial throne of the Forsaken Empire I have chosen a monastic life as an Oracle of Curse and my duties are to the religious and spiritual well being of the citizens of Curse. Those that have remained in my old masters service (The FE) have become somewhat unruly and the fires of Valhalla burn in their veins. IÆm afraid that I lack the authority anymore to control them. They have all become ronin and seek fame and fortune as freelancers and privateers. Then of course there is that band of Soldiery known as the Paladins of the Red Skull; a chivalrous order if I have ever seen one but again I have no authority over them. How these two individuals seek to peruse the final edicts of the late Forsaken Emperor is truly up to them.
My advice to all is stay out of The Vale of the Silent, it is the graveyard of ghost ships that once prowled the shipping lanes of the Forsaken Empire. ItÆs the tomb of the late Forsaken Emperor and Holds deep religious symbolism to the Priests of the Oracles of Curse; it is Holy Ground! As it has always been it will continue to be an Empire of the Forsaken Children of EVE!
Those of you who seek righteousnessà seek elsewhere!
Those of you who seek to pacify this regionà seek elsewhere!
AS for accusing the Curse alliance of being pirates well all I have to say to that isàseek elsewhere!
Jhered Out!
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:59:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Gafton
jade, we were NOT getting the old fe nap. Negotiations were for a whole new nap with new conditions. Certain ca corps apparently didnt want to honor the new nap, so we're at our current situation.
CA? Certain corps including the wolfbrigade. And a few others i cant remember.
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Sandokan
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Posted - 2004.04.30 17:19:00 -
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As member of the Xetic Alliance, i think there is no one better to state if and or CA keeps up there word on NAPs.
As Xetic/IF between the 2 power alliance CA and SA, i can speak as Diplomat that, if to comes about the NAP, CA is very high in my respect. Sure accidence happens, and with ATUK in there rangs, it was hard.
Other then that i realy honor CA for the NAP between Xetic and them. Compared to other alliance ( i don't give names and don't like to flame anyone).
I know many corp or alliance count them as pirates and what ever, my personal experience as Diplomat for Xetic, i can say CA is high on my list as trusteble when it comes to NAP. Sure the try to ballance between keeping there strengt and there pvp corps and not always judge that in the right way. But what other alliance realy does?
Xetic/IF always tryed to be neutral in the WARS between SA and CA, with both we have a NAP. Personely i count the word atm from CA very high and my respect for that.
Sandokan
Chief Diplomat Xetic/IF alliance
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.04.30 19:06:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Halseth on 30/04/2004 19:23:21
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Can I ask Halseth to clarify the targets for the Phoenix Alliance in Tribute/Vale. Will you be considering FE/CA/Oracles units there to be valid engagement targets and will you be cooporating with RKK and allies to drive out the remnent FE?
The Phoenix alliance usually does not share its target list with the general public. However, I can say that the PA and its NAST allies are prepared to defend the princepals of the NAST treaty and activly engage the "rogue elements" that have privately conveyed to us their intentions to own and close the regions of Tribute and Vale of the Silent. This is in direct conflict with the NAST treaty and the PAs wishes.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Also will the Phoenix Alliance recognise and respect the current intention on the part of the Tribute allies to keep the region free and open to neutral traffic in the future?
Well, this is a delicate and complicated situation. Grouping corporations into a category called "the Tribute allies" makes this question impossible to answer. The PA has varied relations with many corporations and will treat each corp according to thier current relationship with us. I see corps in tribute with EXCELLENT standings with the PA, some that are nuetral, and some that have a "ball in their court".
It is my hope that the ball will return soon so that we may establish a "rally" of official cooperation based on mutually beneficial goals and desires.
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