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Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Sodium Phosphate on 06/05/2008 00:25:16 Just saw the movie and thinking of the practicality of the Iron man suit and best ways to mimic its fictional properties. I'm concerned with its propulsion, as I know you can just fire pure energy to propel an object I'm thinking ion propulsion instead? What was the output of Stark's arc reactor, 3kj per min? or second rather? is that enough to propel a gold-titanium alloy suit ,probably, at least a 1000 lbs added weight + human body weight?
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:30:00 - [2] I think he said 3gj/s Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:33:00 - [3] Python may be what you're looking for.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Isiskhan Python may be what you're looking for. lol
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 04:47:00 - [5] Edited by: goodby4u on 06/05/2008 04:54:41 I have tons of ways it could be powered and be even more powerfull then the movie, but the main issue is how far it can be that powerfull. As for ion engines, they dont produce enough thrust necessary to lift somebody off the ground. As for the armor, I would recommend either carbon nano tubes(1/3 the weight of steel, hundreds of times stronger)or a thin chobham armor(6 inches= a couple feet of steel)...The chobham armor can be made currently but might take longer to fabricate. Now if you want a way to to have the sustained power of his suit, it could probably use a tiny antimatter engine(though this would have to have a large capacitor)or maybe fuel cells that are rechargable(would be horrible for sustained flight, but great for small skirmishes). But if you honestly want to go with an armor that can do all the things specified(ie stops bullets doesnt rust good power to weight ratio)to date you cant go wrong with titanium, but titanium gold alloy? I dont see what good this does.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.05.06 06:37:00 - [6] Yeah the whole point of ion engines is low sustained thrust over a long period of time. If you're out in space they'll get you to a higher velocity than chemical rockets but take a long time to do it. Of course if you're traveling through space there aren't many places it doesn't take a long time to get to. Gold is a fairly soft metal so I would think that it would not contribute to the alloy's strength, though it might contribute to it's weight. Eh. At least Robert Downey Junior managed to get through the film without getting arrested.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 06:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Yeah the whole point of ion engines is low sustained thrust over a long period of time. If you're out in space they'll get you to a higher velocity than chemical rockets but take a long time to do it. Of course if you're traveling through space there aren't many places it doesn't take a long time to get to. Gold is a fairly soft metal so I would think that it would not contribute to the alloy's strength, though it might contribute to it's weight. Eh. At least Robert Downey Junior managed to get through the film without getting arrested. Well come to think of it, the only thing gold does is transfer heat...And it does this VERY WELL. So maybe he used it along with a heating system to stop the freezing problem?
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:34:00 - [8] I thought ion thrust was good because it was almost directly related to amount of electric energy put into it? Thats why its so practical because it still gives thrust with a small amount of energy in it. But suppose you have Starks reactor powering it instead of a the small nuclear ones satellites use today? There should be an extreme difference in energy going into propelling the object. Thats the only way I can really see him doing the blasts and flying by ionizing the air with ALOT of energy over a short amount of time. Kinda like the mythbusters antigravity thing but imagine it with a powerplant giving it the current instead of the system they had.
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:21:00 - [9] Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
shaqarava Amarr AFK	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:17:00 - [10] Here's an interesting read on the feasibility of the suit: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2008/04/ironman_physics Apparently Iron Man's Repulsor rays "would require an energy pulse of more than 2 gigawatts of power, greater than the output of a nuclear power plant" That's a lot of power, even more than the DeLorean's requirement of "1 point 21 jigawatts!!" needed for time travel!

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. I wouldnt say it was a kid's movie because it didnt have that type of feel to it, especially because it showed soldiers getting shot in the face. Now, I have no idea how that powerplant he was using worked, but its completely plausible that we could discover an energy source as powerful as this.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:44:00 - [12] Havent watched the film yet - but as a deux ex machinima it could be a carbon nannotube capacitor (large amounds of energy stored due to high surface area) or an antimatter reactor. /me shurgs - grasping at straws but those are two vaguely out there plausable explanations that present themselves. We have... technicaly made antimatter allready.... Just in useless quantities that are destroyed allmost immediatly. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:50:00 - [13] Edited by: goodby4u on 06/05/2008 14:50:30 Originally by: Kirjava Havent watched the film yet - but as a deux ex machinima it could be a carbon nannotube capacitor (large amounds of energy stored due to high surface area) or an antimatter reactor. /me shurgs - grasping at straws but those are two vaguely out there plausable explanations that present themselves. We have... technicaly made antimatter allready.... Just in useless quantities that are destroyed allmost immediatly. Why specifically a carbon nanotube capacitor? As for the antimatter like I said its plausible, the problem is when you combine matter with antimatter it doesnt give small amounts of energy over time, it gives one hell of a large burst in a short amount of time, so that means we might as well just haul around a capacitor and charge it at home with the antimatter.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Kirjava on 06/05/2008 15:12:55 Power stored in a capacitor is directly linked to the surface area of the capacitor. Carbon Nannotubes allow one mother of a surface area due to the diamater of a sturdy tube. You can pack more tubes and increase surface area on smaller volume. Linky to an article here, my explanation dosent have the same finesse. With the antimatter.... yea, I just read that part with the need for 2 Gigawatts (did he mention how long it was sustained for though?) and antimatter sprung to mind.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 06/05/2008 15:12:55 Power stored in a capacitor is directly linked to the surface area of the capacitor. Carbon Nannotubes allow one mother of a surface area due to the diamater of a sturdy tube. You can pack more tubes and increase surface area on smaller volume. Linky to an article here, my explanation dosent have the same finesse. With the antimatter.... yea, I just read that part with the need for 2 Gigawatts (did he mention how long it was sustained for though?) and antimatter sprung to mind. Well a better type of engine for this type of application is a graviton engine, though far out of our league... Ofcourse if you dont know what a graviton engine is, its basically a mini blackhole that turns matter into 100% energy through gravity...This would be better because it slowly gives you energy and its still a crap load. Now asfor the nanotubes thats amazing, a great idea at this point would be that his entire suit could be made of carbon nano tubes and he would therefore be a giant capacitor?
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:31:00 - [16] Yea, thats the gist of it with nanotubes. Its much stronger than steel, and hence iron.... calling him Carbonman dosen't have the same edge to it though..... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:04:00 - [17] Well titanium gold alloyman doesnt stick well either.
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:17:00 - [18] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Roxanna Kell Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. I wouldnt say it was a kid's movie because it didnt have that type of feel to it, especially because it showed soldiers getting shot in the face. Now, I have no idea how that power plant he was using worked, but its completely plausible that we could discover an energy source as powerful as this. I would have enjoyed the story more if it took him a month or a year to build it. A week was just too much, and probably not enogh labour speed wise, let alone coming up with the idea. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Kirjava on 06/05/2008 16:19:17 Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Roxanna Kell Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. I wouldnt say it was a kid's movie because it didnt have that type of feel to it, especially because it showed soldiers getting shot in the face. Now, I have no idea how that power plant he was using worked, but its completely plausible that we could discover an energy source as powerful as this. I would have enjoyed the story more if it took him a month or a year to build it. A week was just too much, and probably not enogh labour speed wise, let alone coming up with the idea. Plot Device. At least it wasnt so big it collapsed under its own fail field and collapse into a plot hole, sucking actors and writers carrears past its even horizon.....
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Roxanna Kell Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. I wouldnt say it was a kid's movie because it didnt have that type of feel to it, especially because it showed soldiers getting shot in the face. Now, I have no idea how that power plant he was using worked, but its completely plausible that we could discover an energy source as powerful as this. I would have enjoyed the story more if it took him a month or a year to build it. A week was just too much, and probably not enogh labour speed wise, let alone coming up with the idea. Remember, he knew where the power source would come from, he knew how it would fly because his jericho missiles system used it, and he already knew what shape it would be. Its really just a matter of Putting the different pieces together, and that wouldnt be too hard judging he was working day and night aswell as having badass tools at hand. Though the one he built in the cave?Ok now that one was fail.

Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:13:00 - [21] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Roxanna Kell Science-wise the movie didn't made much sense, bit like watching star trek, which i hate. Overall the movie is in the same league as Spiderman, I have enjoyed Batman begins better though. Least the technology wasn't so out of this world. Not to mention the time it took him to come up with a robot in like less than a week. Overall: nice wannabe hero kids movie. I wouldnt say it was a kid's movie because it didnt have that type of feel to it, especially because it showed soldiers getting shot in the face. Now, I have no idea how that power plant he was using worked, but its completely plausible that we could discover an energy source as powerful as this. I would have enjoyed the story more if it took him a month or a year to build it. A week was just too much, and probably not enogh labour speed wise, let alone coming up with the idea. Remember, he knew where the power source would come from, he knew how it would fly because his jericho missiles system used it, and he already knew what shape it would be. Its really just a matter of Putting the different pieces together, and that wouldnt be too hard judging he was working day and night aswell as having badass tools at hand. Though the one he built in the cave?Ok now that one was fail. There are many movies i regretted watching this is not one of them, Spiderman 3 is. There are many movies i watched many times, This won't be one of them either. Saving private Ryan, or V for vandetta or batman begin are. Anyways, i really don't see what worried the movie makers of ironman about GTA IV stealing the hype, i mean come on, Its incomparable.
kessah The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Sodium Phosphate Originally by: Isiskhan Python may be what you're looking for. lol My work mates had a big chuckle at this. Not much of a programmer myself, but im told its funny...
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:16:00 - [23] I dont think it was GTA IV stealing the hype so much as it was them just saying WE GATTA GET THIS OUT NOW!
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:18:00 - [24] Edited by: pwnedgato on 06/05/2008 21:19:00 Wrong thread woops/ Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/05/2008 21:50:19 Check this video out. I saw it on the History Channel this weekend. Enjoy the Human Exoskeleton Slade EDIT: There is no discussion of propulsion, but this is the most advanced thing i have seen recently.
Roxanna Kell Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/05/2008 21:50:19 Check this video out. I saw it on the History Channel this weekend. Enjoy the Human Exoskeleton Slade EDIT: There is no discussion of propulsion, but this is the most advanced thing i have seen recently. there is a couple of threads about it all ready. Quote: There is no Dishonor in winning fools, so do it any way you can.
Benco97 Gallente Exchangable Properties	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:31:00 - [27] I really preferred the look of the first one he made over the "real" one he made. Am I the only one that feels that?
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Benco97 I really preferred the look of the first one he made over the "real" one he made. Am I the only one that feels that? You mean the one he made in the cave or the silver one?
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:39:00 - [29] EIGHTY EIGHT MILES PER HOUR!!!!!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 06/05/2008 21:50:19 Check this video out. I saw it on the History Channel this weekend. Enjoy the Human Exoskeleton Slade EDIT: There is no discussion of propulsion, but this is the most advanced thing i have seen recently. there is a couple of threads about it all ready. Be Happy I did not start another thread about it then Slade



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