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Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis 645	Posted - 2012.03.04 12:41:00 - [31] - Quote Thank you, Tarion. I just submitted an edit to mine to find your reply here. That's basically what I was saying. Why they don't understand this is entirely a mystery to me. People are bad, your answer is good, and this questionnaire is dysfunctional and misleading in numerous ways. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Xorv Questionable Acquisitions 141	Posted - 2012.03.04 21:52:00 - [32] - Quote I took a look at this and have to agree with others the questions were in many cases very poor and in some cases clearly biased. This is not a good tool to use to figure out who you should vote for in the next CSM election. Fortunately, many of the candidates left notes with their responses, so you can at least use this as a tool to find out what candidates positions are on some issues. However, I would strongly caution against going by the percentages given.
Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis 647	Posted - 2012.03.05 06:06:00 - [33] - Quote Xorv wrote: I took a look at this and have to agree with others the questions were in many cases very poor and in some cases clearly biased. This is not a good tool to use to figure out who you should vote for in the next CSM election. Fortunately, many of the candidates left notes with their responses, so you can at least use this as a tool to find out what candidates positions are on some issues. However, I would strongly caution against going by the percentages given. Correct. For example, my best percentage match was SkipperMonkey, who is both dumb and terrible. That by itself was enough to set off warning bells. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Skye Aurorae No Bull Ships 193	Posted - 2012.03.05 06:33:00 - [34] - Quote So being the data fiend that I am I scraped the Candidates answers and did some math on the data set: Question with the largest disagreement: "Medical clone costs should be greatly reduced." Question with the most agreement: "Mining should be the primary source of raw minerals in Eve." We can take all the opinions and define an average opinion for all the questions and then measure how close a candidate is to this, or, how far. CSM Candidates Furthest from the norm. 1) Michael BoltonIII 2) PsychoBitch 3) Xenuria 4) corebloodbrothers 5) Skippermonkey CSM Candidates Closest To the Center. 1) Skye Aurorae 2) Blake Armitage 3) Mu'ad Diib 4) Korvin 5) Lyris Nairn No this isn't a fix, I can make the data available to those people who want to mess with it. You can also define the central opinion based on the answers from currently serving members, then the interesting question is - how do the opinions of the candidates standing compare against the current opinions being represented by the CSM. The most disagreement is over the questions 'Player owned structures should get a major overhaul, even if this means less development time is left for other areas of the game. ' - The current CSM is practically unanimous in suppot, but many of the current candidates disagree. 'Invention and production should be made more profitable. ' Again strong support from the current CSM compared with a range of opinions from candidates. 'Suicide ganking should be a viable tactic and gameplay style. ' CSM support, vs less support from incoming candidates. 'Level 5 missions should be available in high security space. ' The current CSM is strongly against this, but many of the candidates support this. And again - the candidates most likely to disagree with the existing CSM: 1) Michael BoltonIII 2) Psychobitch 3) Xenuria 4) corebloodbrothers 5) Skippermonnkey No change in order there. Candidates most likely to come to an agreement with the existing CSM 1) Blake Armitage 2) Skye Aurorae 3) Korvin 4) Voloses 5) Trebor Daehdoow Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68506
Xorv Questionable Acquisitions 143	Posted - 2012.03.05 09:56:00 - [35] - Quote Skye I'm not sure the value of such data, as candidates positions are not clearly defined by how they respond in terms of agree or disagree. For example take a question on an issue like Local Chat Intel. It was worded to mean removal from the entire game, rather than just Nullsec which is what most in favor of it being removed advocate, so it was already biased more towards the negative, since if I believe Local should go in Null but not in High Sec, I must respond in disagreement. Further that the issue isn't necessarily a simple one, many of the candidates qualified their answer, and it was within those notes more than their response in agreement or disagreement to the question where I found who most closely represented my views. In addition the questionnaire doesn't truly scale the importance of one issue over another. Some issues will make or break my support for a candidate, others I might be in disagreement, but ultimately they just do not matter as much. I'm quite sure that's the same for every player. It's also the same for every candidate many of them are likely to focus attention on certain areas or advocate for certain constituencies. tl;dr Both the quiz's % results and Skye's analysis of data from the quiz are worthless in determining who you should vote for in CSM 7.
Zixie Draco Tactical Knightmare 95	Posted - 2012.03.05 13:13:00 - [36] - Quote So, I've heard the pre polls are saying most of you are getting Skippermonkey hits on your vote match. Don't fight the urge. You know you want to. Once again, it's like shooting at the Jita Monument. It just makes sense. Would you like a kitten?
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 542	Posted - 2012.03.05 13:24:00 - [37] - Quote Zirse wrote: The Mittani wrote: You refused to place a link to the comments of each candidate in a concise place on the first page of the site to allow users to opt out of the algorithm, despite all the yowling about looking to provide choices. Rational Choice theory - and the offshoot crap it spawns like ~algorithms~ , game theory and such, are tautological nonsense at best, and easily manipulated at worst. Comments are lost, nuance is lost, and the 'hurr we can just find better questions' fails year after year. You're not interested in providing an easy place for voters to view commentary on the issues - not without making them jump through hoops of your own devising. Sorry, game theory isn't tautological nonsense despite what your law degree might tell you. Hehehe, but he is using fancy words, he must know what he is talking about?! I like the tool, it at least gives people an insight to what candidates think on certain topics. The comments add allot of subtlety to the affair and provide an additional insight into the motivation behind the choices. This offsets the some very general questions and sweeping statements but then again, very specific questions are equally bad. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 798	Posted - 2012.03.05 13:24:00 - [38] - Quote I ran the vote match and got 83% match for SKIPPERMONKEY I'm going to vote for him! VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY FOR CSM - TERRIBAD AT EVE BUT GREAT AT FORUMS show your support for me here
Skye Aurorae No Bull Ships 194	Posted - 2012.03.05 13:40:00 - [39] - Quote Xorv wrote: tl;dr Both the quiz's % results and Skye's analysis of data from the quiz are worthless in determining who you should vote for in CSM 7. just vote with your heart then. vote for the cutest lil' candidate Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68506
Qin Shi Huang Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.03.05 14:04:00 - [40] - Quote Top match is Hans Jagerblitzen (69%) and Trebor. Bottom match is The Mittani and Psychobitch. I was going to vote for Trebor, but now I'll have a look at what this Jagerblitzen has to say.
Trebor Daehdoow Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1861	Posted - 2012.03.05 14:45:00 - [41] - Quote Qin Shi Huang wrote: Top match is Hans Jagerblitzen (69%) and Trebor. Bottom match is The Mittani and Psychobitch. I was going to vote for Trebor, but now I'll have a look at what this Jagerblitzen has to say. Why choose the copy when you can vote for the original name-brand reasonable guy? Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - *because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!* My CSM Blog
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 2015	Posted - 2012.03.05 16:18:00 - [42] - Quote Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Why choose the copy when you can vote for the original name-brand reasonable guy? I guess am nothing but a copy cat now. But hey, what's an election without a little slander between friends? Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details. Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words!
Trebor Daehdoow Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1861	Posted - 2012.03.05 16:38:00 - [43] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Why choose the copy when you can vote for the original name-brand reasonable guy? I guess am nothing but a copy cat now. But hey, what's an election without a little slander between friends? Hey, I never said you were a bad copy, did I? Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - *because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!* My CSM Blog
Anna Finster Fnord Works The Initiative. 5	Posted - 2012.03.05 17:01:00 - [44] - Quote I think it's a very cool toy, thanks Dierdra! To you ranting "stupid questions" guys, please consider this is a nice initiative no matter what, I think it was made clear that it does not have a professional or scientific approach. It's a nice initiative and Dierdra put alot of work into making this. Actually it did not influence me but confirm that I'm voting for the right candidate :)
Mike Azariah Gallente Benevolence Association Greater Realms 194	Posted - 2012.03.05 22:03:00 - [45] - Quote Every year the question can be polished, refined. I appreciate the time and effort DV put into this and the fact that it may point a few candidates out to voters who do not have the time to sift through the wheat and chaff of the campaign platforms. m
None ofthe Above 105	Posted - 2012.03.05 23:25:00 - [46] - Quote Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Why choose the copy when you can vote for the original name-brand reasonable guy? I guess am nothing but a copy cat now. But hey, what's an election without a little slander between friends? Hey, I never said you were a bad copy, did I? -1 Low blow. Hans has a lot more to offer than a clone of you. Personally would like to see the both of you on the council. EDIT: To make this post on topic. Thanks for the service, but hopefully some additional work can be done coming up with questions before hand. I hate to say it because I know it would be a mess on some levels, but perhaps you could post the questions in advance and get feedback. Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7!
Ripard Teg Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 14	Posted - 2012.03.06 03:11:00 - [47] - Quote Garbage in, garbage out, a discussion of why you shouldn't use Vote Match for anything important, much less your CSM vote. Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life.
Skye Aurorae No Bull Ships 195	Posted - 2012.03.06 03:39:00 - [48] - Quote The system is flawed, but the data remains useful, don't rely purely on the result, but instead look at the top few suggestions to see if they vibe with your way of thinking. read the nuanced positions, god I think I had to clarify everything - e.g. Local chat I'd love to see die as an intel tool, but only after it's replaced with a better intel tool and hopefully some strategic intel providing structures in 0.0 Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68506
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 475	Posted - 2012.03.06 10:43:00 - [49] - Quote Vote match to replace local!!!!! huzzah disorientating
Dierdra Vaal Veto. Veto Corp 108	Posted - 2012.03.06 20:59:00 - [50] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: but hopefully some additional work can be done coming up with questions before hand. I hate to say it because I know it would be a mess on some levels, but perhaps you could post the questions in advance and get feedback. Actually I'd posted two threads asking for question suggestions - one on the eve general forums here on eve-o, and one on failheap. I also posted the provisional selection of questions on the FHC thread for feedback. Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Yeep GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 60	Posted - 2012.03.07 13:31:00 - [51] - Quote Dierdra Vaal wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: but hopefully some additional work can be done coming up with questions before hand. I hate to say it because I know it would be a mess on some levels, but perhaps you could post the questions in advance and get feedback. Actually I'd posted two threads asking for question suggestions - one on the eve general forums here on eve-o, and one on failheap. I also posted the provisional selection of questions on the FHC thread for feedback. Except you had the exact same criticisms from multiple people last year, and from myself (at least) in the announcement thread this year. You can blame it on the FHC focus group but if they gave you terrible questions last year why would you go back?
Ripard Teg Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 18	Posted - 2012.03.07 16:16:00 - [52] - Quote Yeep wrote: Except you had the exact same criticisms from multiple people last year, and from myself (at least) in the announcement thread this year. You can blame it on the FHC focus group but if they gave you terrible questions last year why would you go back? This. The questions were in many cases almost word-for-word identical to last year, too, so I'm not sure why you asked for suggestions. Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life.
Cosmic Fart Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.03.07 17:19:00 - [53] - Quote Very nice program. I had already placed my votes before I used your "Vote Match" but is right in line with who I voted for, Great job.
Dierdra Vaal Veto. Veto Corp 109	Posted - 2012.03.07 18:22:00 - [54] - Quote Ripard Teg wrote: Yeep wrote: Except you had the exact same criticisms from multiple people last year, and from myself (at least) in the announcement thread this year. You can blame it on the FHC focus group but if they gave you terrible questions last year why would you go back? This. The questions were in many cases almost word-for-word identical to last year, too, so I'm not sure why you asked for suggestions. about 25% are brand new, and quite a few other questions got reworded. I didn't pick 40 brand new ones because 1) there weren't 40 good suggestions 2) many of the old questions proved to be decently divisive I asked both here and on FHC since I wanted to reach out to more than just one community. I'm not blaming FHC (or any other groups), I'm simply pointing out that I can't just magically pull questions out of thin air that everyone is going to be happy with. It's a process over time to test and refine questions. I've already decided on some changes for next year, for example. Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
Star P'ergish High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance 6	Posted - 2012.03.07 19:10:00 - [55] - Quote Wormholes - no single question about them. Is this a joke?
Samroski Games Inc. EVE Trade Consortium 45	Posted - 2012.03.08 05:32:00 - [56] - Quote Dierda, great service. Thank you. I used this last time, and I have found this to be very useful again in narrowing down the candidates. I love the ability to focus on issues that are key to my playing style and see where the candidates stand on these. Keep up the good work. I hope you will continue this service and improve it for the future in light of some of the criticism you have received.
Carnicx 1 Screaming Rubber Ducks From Outer Space Revenant Front 0	Posted - 2012.03.10 21:32:00 - [57] - Quote Thanks for providing this service. While there are of course issues with how to value the answers to some of the questions it does give a good insight into the views of the various candidates. I found a few I agree with that I actually knew little about. The most useful part was the comment section where I actually found I could agree with arguments made despite me and the candidate showing as completely opposite on the voting scale. Mainly due to the scale being a little subjective. The comments gives the candidates the ability to explain their reasoning which greatly helps in evaluating them and comparing them to my personal views. After doing the Vote Match I now find myself with 5 candidates I need to look closer at, and of those 3 are people I would not have considered before doing the test.
corebloodbrothers Volition Cult The Volition Cult 137	Posted - 2012.03.11 08:49:00 - [58] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: i strongly disagreed with every option and got corebloodbrothers 59% haha, well i hope that doesnt make me a negativist :) i do however believe that you shouldnt change things just because you can change them. I believe alot of eve is awsome, which is the reason why i play it with so much luv that i run for CSM. Also i feel alot of the niche parts of EVE shouldnt get full attention as they are not catering the needs of many. Which is always a issue if u like to make money in a compagny and have limited resources. just saw the sprint bord and scrum in ccp tube, awsome way of revising your project management into actually delivering products too eve, gl on that maybe i should say, SAY NO, vote core ;) greetz Corebloodbrothers CSM7 candidate
Kenhi sama Project Stealth Squad Avaricious Cartel 0	Posted - 2012.03.15 15:31:00 - [59] - Quote arent all canidates shown in the compare table? caus I cant find riverini in my one.
Dierdra Vaal Veto. Veto Corp 111	Posted - 2012.03.16 12:13:00 - [60] - Quote Kenhi sama wrote: are not all canidates shown in the compare table? caus I cant find riverini in my one. Two of the fourty candidates chose not to participate. Riverini is one of them. Tiger Would is the other. Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman

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