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Marlakh
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:48:00 -
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Little snippet of news, courtesy of dust514base, including an analysis.
Brief youtube appearance here, at 2:41 minutes into the video.
Enjoy! |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:50:00 -
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Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :(
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Aquila Draco
131
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:52:00 -
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only that EVE have pretty UI like that...
That looks SciFi, and not this what we have.
Little changes can make much difference. |
Nyla Skin
State Protectorate
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:53:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :(
What did you EXPECT it to be?
I dont see any problems in this. Unbalance comes if things are not balanced. MMORPG is unbalanced by definition (if you have RPG elements where a character 'progresses' and improves). |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
417
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:59:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :(
Dude with all your negativity why don't you just pack your bags and leave. :3
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.-á(CCP Nullarbor) |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
70
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:04:00 -
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Anyone else get the feeling those numbers on the modules are how many you have left?
After all, you're going to lose them when you die ;) |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:09:00 -
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Marlakh wrote:Little snippet of news, courtesy of dust514base, including an analysis. Brief youtube appearance here, at 2:41 minutes into the video. Enjoy!
Nice. Thanks  |
Marlakh
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
70
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:16:00 -
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I think its emerging that there's a good design commonality between the Eve and Dust fitting screens for both vehicles and dropsuits. This means something instantly familiar to Eve players, while the console players can get some tips from us on the basics.
Interestingly, there's a empty slot for the helmet. Oooohhh think of the possibiities... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
391
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:27:00 -
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Marlakh wrote:I think its emerging that there's a good design commonality between the Eve and Dust fitting screens for both vehicles and dropsuits. This means something instantly familiar to Eve players, while the console players can get some tips from us on the basics.
Interestingly, there's a empty slot for the helmet. Oooohhh think of the possibiities...
I shall fit A HORN!
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Valei Khurelem
395
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:29:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :( Dude with all your negativity why don't you just pack your bags and leave. :3
I'm not negative :P I like games like Minecraft, Mass Effect, Fallout New Vegas and Counter Strike, oh and Freelancer too, I also like the exploration in EVE and how big the game is, I just wish they'd focus on putting more content in instead of ******* everything up constantly.
Why should I leave because there are aspects of the game that I find ruin the rest of it? I'm a paying customer like everyone else.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
93
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:36:00 -
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Hmmm, last time I checked a fitting screen did not mean no balance - only more options
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
47
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:39:00 -
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Interesting
What is the orbiting 'warbarge' thing? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
483
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:40:00 -
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lol think about the Caldari Suits
FPS Dude: *BLAM! BLAM! With shotgun* lol only own have to pwn 2 more newbs and I rate number 1 on the DUST KM BC list
Other Dude walks into view
FPS Dude: HAHAH NEWB! *BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!*
Other Dude keeps on walking
FPS Dude: *relizing something is wrong* What the hell? *Fires shot gun again, reloads, empties gun second time*
FPS Dude: Why won't this dude die already? *BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!* ****, his shields haven't droped more then 30%....
12 Other Dudes same as the first come into view
FPS Dude: OMG! Drake Platoon! *as 12 guys open fire and alpha pop him with small caliber guns*
Then FPS Dude comes whining to the forums to nerf Drake Platoon Ambush squad while his corp comes up with a Titan Artillery Tank acting as a direct fire unit supported by Statis Trap throwing scouts.
You know its going to happen  |
Valei Khurelem
395
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:54:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Hmmm, last time I checked a fitting screen did not mean no balance - only more options
You clearly haven't played Battlefield 3 recently, I admit, I think options are a good thing but that's only if they're available to everyone, however when you force them to unlock the stuff i.e through ISK grinding or experience points that's when things get ridiculous because it means that the players who join in the game first will ALWAYS have an unfair advantage.
That has been the case for every mutliplayer RPG so far, it's also why Team Fortress 2 worked until Valve decided to break it completely by forcing you to unlock items through silly achievements.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
93
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:13:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:Hmmm, last time I checked a fitting screen did not mean no balance - only more options You clearly haven't played Battlefield 3 recently, I admit, I think options are a good thing but that's only if they're available to everyone, however when you force them to unlock the stuff i.e through ISK grinding or experience points that's when things get ridiculous because it means that the players who join in the game first will ALWAYS have an unfair advantage. That has been the case for every mutliplayer RPG so far, it's also why Team Fortress 2 worked until Valve decided to break it completely by forcing you to unlock items through silly achievements.
Well in EVE, skill trumps skill points 9/10 times, which should hopefully translate into Dust - and as BF3 is currently spinning my my 360s disk drive you are wrong about that as well
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
719
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:17:00 -
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Marlakh wrote:This means something instantly familiar to Eve players, while the console players can get some tips from us on the basics.
T2 or go home?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3362
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:44:00 -
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When has an mmo ever been balanced?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1078
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:01:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:Hmmm, last time I checked a fitting screen did not mean no balance - only more options You clearly haven't played Battlefield 3 recently, I admit, I think options are a good thing but that's only if they're available to everyone, however when you force them to unlock the stuff i.e through ISK grinding or experience points that's when things get ridiculous because it means that the players who join in the game first will ALWAYS have an unfair advantage. That has been the case for every mutliplayer RPG so far, it's also why Team Fortress 2 worked until Valve decided to break it completely by forcing you to unlock items through silly achievements.
DUST players will progress in skill through training just like EVE players do, which means you can max out in a particular specialization in a reasonable amount of time. Older players will simply have more options available to them.
DUST skill training will also be augmented through achievement in game play, as a bonus to your skills. In this way newer players can accelerate this training if they play a lot, although this is only a small advantage to encourage frequent play.
Equipment will be available initially either as available via ISK transaction or for a cash transaction if the item is particularly unique/effective. Items available only via cash transaction initially can and will be resold on the open market for ISK.
Equipment simply requires the appropriate skills to use effectively, just as they are in EVE. Rather than being a "limiting factor" is simply requires you to put thought into how you train up your character. This is VASTLY superior to every character being equally proficient in everything from day one.
The later is fine for a simple, superficial game environment... but not for something with the depth and complexity proposed for DUST.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Valei Khurelem
395
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:05:00 -
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Quote:
Well in EVE, skill trumps skill points 9/10 times, which should hopefully translate into Dust - and as BF3 is currently spinning my my 360s disk drive you are wrong about that as well Cool
You and I must be playing very different games because in Battlefield 3 I found myself getting more kills just spraying wildly than when I actually tried to aim which is pretty ridiculous and in EVE Online if you are solo you always always have some **** in a tech 2 ship with too many modules beating you because you decided you wanted to fight with a tech 1 ship instead.
None of the above is called balance or skill, it's called using the imbalanced game mechanics to your advantage and its something that a lot of EVE players unfortunately do very well.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
86
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:12:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:
Well in EVE, skill trumps skill points 9/10 times, which should hopefully translate into Dust - and as BF3 is currently spinning my my 360s disk drive you are wrong about that as well Cool
You and I must be playing very different games because in Battlefield 3 I found myself getting more kills just spraying wildly than when I actually tried to aim which is pretty ridiculous and in EVE Online if you are solo you always always have some **** in a tech 2 ship with too many modules beating you because you decided you wanted to fight with a tech 1 ship instead. None of the above is called balance or skill, it's called using the imbalanced game mechanics to your advantage and its something that a lot of EVE players unfortunately do very well, it's just a shame CCP don't pick up on what players are abusing the hell out and fix it.
Some people can still play, I envy, I don't hate but the sad truth is being naive doesn't change the truth. It's a video game and brute force will win every time. 10 is 10, 8 is 8 and nothing can change that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
187
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:52:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :( Dude with all your negativity why don't you just pack your bags and leave. :3
Because he's a troll?
Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á
Senior Recruiter |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
71
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:37:00 -
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Ioci wrote:
Some people can still play, I envy, I don't hate but the sad truth is being naive doesn't change the truth. It's a video game and brute force will win every time. 10 is 10, 8 is 8 and nothing can change that.
But then there are people who think their 8s are 10s and get all angsty when it turns out what they thought was a 5 is actually a 9.
Numbers only work when you know how to use them - but we don't account for that in theorycrafting. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5198
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:42:00 -
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Planetside solved the issue of RPG-like levels and unlocking equipment in an FPS a decade agoGǪ
It's not particularly hard, and the EVE skill system does something fairly similar.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
93
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Planetside solved the issue of RPG-like levels and unlocking equipment in an FPS a decade agoGǪ
It's not particularly hard, and the EVE skill system does something fairly similar.
Except (IIRC) Planetside then effed it up 
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1082
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:
Well in EVE, skill trumps skill points 9/10 times, which should hopefully translate into Dust - and as BF3 is currently spinning my my 360s disk drive you are wrong about that as well Cool
You and I must be playing very different games because in Battlefield 3 I found myself getting more kills just spraying wildly than when I actually tried to aim which is pretty ridiculous and in EVE Online if you are solo you always always have some **** in a tech 2 ship with too many modules beating you because you decided you wanted to fight with a tech 1 ship instead. None of the above is called balance or skill, it's called using the imbalanced game mechanics to your advantage and its something that a lot of EVE players unfortunately do very well, it's just a shame CCP don't pick up on what players are abusing the hell out and fix it.
1: If you get more kills by spraying wildly, your ability to aim sucks.
2: T1 ships routinely kill T2 ships in EVE. If you don't know how that is a reflection of your personal fitting and piloting skill.
3: Your idea of a well balanced game would appear to be a multi-player version of Asteroids, where there is no option to improve your character and all capabilities are fixed. Again, this may work for a game devoted to mindless game play but not a complex game like EVE or DUST.
Stop trying to turn the game into something other than what it is intended to be. Instead, find something simpler to play.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
133
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:29:00 -
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IB4 Dust 514 falcon suit.
But in all seriousness, I think it looks pretty cool. And I will definitely play it.
Dust 514: a way for carebears to hurt major alliances without ever leaving high sec.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
391
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Posted - 2012.03.04 14:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:1: If you get more kills by spraying wildly, your ability to aim sucks.
until somebody crashes their C4-laden humvee into your tank and EXPLOSIOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Ibn Taymiyyah
Treasures Collectors
Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 14:49:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Can you imagine how much more fun this game would be if they gave lots more mission content, storylines and grav sites etc.?
Not sure if you're trolling! If so, my hat is off to you good sir, as you got me! |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
95
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Posted - 2012.03.04 15:23:00 -
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Works better with skid-loaders
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.04 18:31:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh great, they've turned Dust into a silly imbalanced FPS/RPG as I feared, inb4 the game dies in a couple of months because of all the problems these types of games have :( Dude with all your negativity why don't you just pack your bags and leave. :3 I'm not negative :P I like games like Minecraft, Mass Effect, Fallout New Vegas and Counter Strike, oh and Freelancer too, I also like the exploration in EVE and how big the game is, I just wish they'd focus on putting more content in like they're supposed to when demanding monthly fees off people instead of ******* everything up constantly. Why should I leave because there are aspects of the game that I find ruin the rest of it? I'm a paying customer like everyone else, you don't have more rights than me just because you troll more or do PvP, sorry, not PvP, that's a wrong way to describe combat in this game, ganking. Can you imagine how much more fun this game would be if they gave lots more mission content, storylines and grav sites etc.?
Regardless, you and I have not tried out the game itself. The beta hasn't started for players and Fanfest 2012 isn't until late in the month. Therefore, before you start complaining about a game being imbalanced, I suggest you try it out. If you can't do either the beta test or visit Fanfest, then I suggest trying it out when it's fully released. After all, CCP always wants our input to improve the game as they continuously release regular updates. They re-balanced the CPU/PG of Eve ships, who is to say they won't do the same for Dust?
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
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