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Katie Colgary
Solace Core
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:13:00 -
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lol good job ccp, but there still are so much more to be done  |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1021
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:46:00 -
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should not be as the ones who got banned are locked to their current account... unless you talk about about ebay or those who decided to stop botting and are selling before getting caught.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:51:00 -
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Katie Colgary wrote:lol good job ccp, but there still are so much more to be done 
Care to explain how banned characters can be sold ? 
-your sources too would be very interesting 
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Timural
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.03 15:52:00 -
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The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now. |

Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
128
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:01:00 -
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It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones. |

Joe Skellington
Scientific Nano Technologies Institute The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:03:00 -
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Timural wrote:The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now.
From what I read, they lock those chars to the account so they can't be xfered to a new account (if they are caught). So, unless they sell the entire account illegally, they can't do ****. -á-á |\__/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |

Katie Colgary
Solace Core
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:07:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones.
ah yes this, thanks for clarifying. i believe the ones who got the bans are just a small portion and that there are multiple mission bots/ ratting bots out there that are still not detected. |

Stella SGP
58
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:08:00 -
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Timural wrote:The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now. Do you guys actually read before replying? |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:08:00 -
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Joe Skellington wrote:Timural wrote:The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now. From what I read, they lock those chars to the account so they can't be xfered to a new account (if they are caught). So, unless they sell the entire account illegally, they can't do ****.
You are mostly correct. Once banned for botting (even if a temp ban) the account is flagged and character transfers can no longer be done from that account. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Katie Colgary
Solace Core
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:16:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Joe Skellington wrote:Timural wrote:The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now. From what I read, they lock those chars to the account so they can't be xfered to a new account (if they are caught). So, unless they sell the entire account illegally, they can't do ****. You are mostly correct. Once banned for botting (even if a temp ban) the account is flagged and character transfers can no longer be done from that account.
holy crap i just found out about this, well done ccp  |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:17:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones.
So they win lots of isk after being caught for boting, all they need is to sell the bot characters in all freedom and restart boting 
/octopus-face-palm
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:23:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones. So they win lots of isk after being caught for boting, all they need is to sell the bot characters in all freedom and restart boting  /octopus-face-palm
They cannot sell their characters via the Character Bazaar, so they would have to use out of game methods.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
831
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:30:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones. So they win lots of isk after being caught for boting, all they need is to sell the bot characters in all freedom and restart boting  /octopus-face-palm They cannot sell their characters via the Character Bazaar, so they would have to use out of game methods.
C'mon everyone in this freaking game knows it very well how this character RL money sells sh+»t happens, corp/alliance forums sell characters, ships, isk for real money and everyone knows this... You have dozens of characters for sale with prices start at 50 to 2K euros in some EU forums and can go beyond this in talks on TS/Vent/Mumble/Skype.
Just biomass that crap, plain simple. |

Prince Kobol
212
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:31:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones. So they win lots of isk after being caught for boting, all they need is to sell the bot characters in all freedom and restart boting  /octopus-face-palm They cannot sell their characters via the Character Bazaar, so they would have to use out of game (EULA prohibited) methods.
Considering they are botters do you think they care about the EULA?
This is were CCP have a massive failing.
By still allowing people to create untraceable accounts it means that the second they are caught once they will just sell there characters for RL money on one of the many many websites available and CCP will be none the wiser. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:02:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:It's other botters trying to ditch known bot characters in a hurry, so they can cash in to tide them over while they train up new ones. So they win lots of isk after being caught for boting, all they need is to sell the bot characters in all freedom and restart boting  /octopus-face-palm They cannot sell their characters via the Character Bazaar, so they would have to use out of game (EULA prohibited) methods. Considering they are botters do you think they care about the EULA? This is were CCP have a massive failing. By still allowing people to create untraceable accounts it means that the second they are caught once they will just sell there characters for RL money on one of the many many websites available and CCP will be none the wiser.
I have no doubt whatsoever that many who were caught will try that. CCP used to monitor character selling via the other "methods" and banned those accounts entirely, dunno' if that still happens or not.
I'm glad CCP are finally prohibiting character transfers immediately by flagging the entire account after the first time a botter is caught. Many have been begging them to do this for years.
If you are looking for a "one-strike and you can never play EVE again" system, I very much CCP would (or could) ever be that heavy handed. And just as unauthorized character and ISK sales happen easily and frequently, so could evading tying an account to a real person. They will never 100% eliminate bots and RMT, the idea is to minimize it as much as possible by making it more and more difficult.
In a few weeks we'll see how effective CCP's renewed efforts to combat botting worked. Regardless, it has to always be an on-going process and not left to languish for most of a year between actions being taken.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
758
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:11:00 -
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Hey look!
A thread full of people who never go to the character bazaar forum posting opinions on stuff they know nothing about.
Tengu characters have been the mainstay of character bazaar for quite a while now. They are fast to make and easy to sell.
Stop reading stuff into every little thing, you bunch of tinfoil hat morons.
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1078
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:16:00 -
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Since CCP is temp and then perma banning "ACCOUNTS" , and then permanently disabling the ability to transfer characters from those accounts, buying one from a 3rd party will become more and more problematic.
You buy it only to discover it is one violation away from perma ban (if not already perma banned), you can't transfer the characters on the account to a different one (ever), basically as this progresses the botting community begins to be heavily affected by internal scams. It begins to cannibalize itself. This has always been the danger of purchasing on a 3rd party site, you have no recourse if you are scammed.
Once the situation develops to the point where simply selling/purchasing accounts has a high probability of being difficult/pointless/unprofitable the number of bots in EVE should drop considerably. You don't have to eliminate bots, you simply have to make it so difficult to profitably use them it isn't worth it to try any more.
This will take a while to evolve, but it should be interesting to read the comments on the botting forums.  When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
186
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:23:00 -
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Damn. I wish I had 5 billion isk to spare. Love to have an extra super ratting character available. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Thomas Abernathy
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
61
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Posted - 2012.03.03 17:54:00 -
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I too want to be able to point to anything in game and say. "They are banning bots!"
"Lots of Tengu chars for sale..they banned bots!"
"I don't see many people in my area anymore, they banned bots..."
"That Corp I didn't like is gone, they banned bots..."
"Someone drew ponies...they banned bots......"
If online numbers haven't changed significantly, either they didn't ban many, or the bots in question just started new accounts.....
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
100
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:34:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:I too want to be able to point to anything in game and say. "They are banning bots!" "Lots of Tengu chars for sale..they banned bots!" "I don't see many people in my area anymore, they banned bots..." "That Corp I didn't like is gone, they banned bots..." "Someone drew ponies...they banned bots......" If online numbers haven't changed significantly, either they didn't ban many, or the bots in question just started new accounts..... 
Agree. If Bots can have that deep of an Impact on EVE, that fast then CCP is in serious ****. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
163
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:53:00 -
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I think we may claim at least partial credit for this. We've been suiciding Tengus lately, and it turns out a lot of the ones we popped belonged to a major botter. He threatened us, and tried sending mercs after us, but they didn't end up interfering much.
GH-SC Tengu slaughter thread with botter chatlog
We're still popping them.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
760
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:02:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:I think we may claim at least partial credit for this. We've been suiciding Tengus lately, and it turns out a lot of the ones we popped belonged to a major botter. He threatened us, and tried sending mercs after us, but they didn't end up interfering much. GH-SC Tengu slaughter thread with botter chatlogWe're still popping them.
Let me see if I understand what you are saying.
There is a sudden influx of Tengu pilots for sale on character bazaar because you are harassing a botter? That's nearly as bad as what the OP came up with.
You can make a salable Tengu pilot for free with a buddy invite. That is why there are so many for sale. No other reason.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
316
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Posted - 2012.03.05 02:08:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Timural wrote:The bot bans are mostly all temporary and now those characters are flagged for botting so they can't do it anymore. Might as well sell the bot characters for the isk now. Do you guys actually read before replying? Where's the fun in that?
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
174
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Posted - 2012.03.05 05:20:00 -
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None, because all those banned toons are now locked into the account. Read dev blogs before posting plz. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

IsTheOpOver
60
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Posted - 2012.03.05 05:43:00 -
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I've had on at least 3 occasions someone push really hard to just transfer their account over instead of going through the standard character transfer process after agreeing to a price on a Character Bazaar listing. (of course I did not accept any such offer and insisted to use the CCP sanctioned process)
I would not be surprised if some of these are indeed trying to do that via in-game PM's when trying to sell the toon.
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:22:00 -
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Biomass!
Empire needs more organical goo for experiments. Something suggests that biomassed chars actually undergo unheard Jovian experiments before they get desintegrated. |

Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:25:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:None, because all those banned toons are now locked into the account. Read dev blogs before posting plz.
Either not working as intended or there is a work around. Sell the account details on E-bay grey market.
Make it loud! CCP needs to react. Even stricter counter measures to bots. Please recycle and instant banhammer all of their stuff. Do not let them grace periods. Auto anti bot software please. |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
497
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:27:00 -
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People can try to sell their accounts to get around the new restrictions (which are great, by the way) but they're opening up a Pandora's box for themselves... http://goo.gl/GG2xn
Eve Online: A Bad Game. |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1023
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:30:00 -
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If some people are stupid enough to buy black market account from ie ebay and risk getting banhammered and identity tagged to CCP's botter/rmt list, they are quite stupid enough to do just that - no matter what we say here.
You know there are people who trade 1 trit for billions of isk too .)
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Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
126
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:35:00 -
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I am thinking the the OP is right... but that these characters were botters who were not spotted!!! CCP INVESTIGATE!!! GO GO GO!
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