Culmen
Caldari
Allied Tactical Unit
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.15 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 15/07/2008 05:59:53
Edited by: Culmen on 15/07/2008 05:58:24
I strongly believe that salvaging should be given an aggression flag
Id like to give two examples to illustrate this point.
First example, i warp back to my mission, and find a frigate there. Hes salvaged some of my wrecks AND STOLEN LOOT. hes flashing red
i jump at this chance, warp back to station fit a ceptor, warp back and pop the thief
I warp back, to station and he's undocked with an Abbadon
I switch my Nighthawk to a close range PvP fit, and we do a 1v1, in which he only survives by docking.
I have had fun, because my preperation has been rewarded, and almost got a kill.
He has fun, because he almost ganked a mission running ship, but got out played, he'll be more careful next time, or bring friends.
If he brought a gang in, i would have lost my ship, but at least i would have put up a fight. I would have respected that.
now lets compare the other situation
I dock my onyx in station after low sec pirating. I fire up my Nighthawk and start mission running. i warp out to get my salvage destroyer, and find a heron running around salvaging my wrecks.
I start to tractor my wrecks, he changes tactics, by bumping my destroyer, negating my tractor beam advantage.
I stop, he runs towards the nearest wreck and salvages more.
This is not fun, he violating my wrecks, and I'm not able to do anything. Even though i have a half dozen PvP ship fitted I'm am force to NOT risk any of them to take out his salvage ship. and just force to NOT do anything as he takes my salvage.
scorched earth is even more pointless. Hes still taking my salvage, just Im paying missiles so i can loose salvage in another manner.
Many of the people talking of aggression, speak as if A) The wreck thief self-destructs when he activates his salvager or B) The mission runner is forced to auto lock and fire all his guns on the salvager.
Both are misconceptions
The Truth is that aggression flagging is an option for the mission runner. I can eighter let the salvager run with my loot, or risk my ships when he pulls a PvP fit battleship on me.
As it stands right now I'm forced with one option. Loose my salvage, thats it.
I'm not given a choice, concord forces me to loose my salvage to someone else. With no option to risk anything to take him out.
Yes, i know, he could send in a gank squad, to ambush me, but I've accepted that risk in the first example, when i engaged his salvage ship. I am given no such option in the second, so its just frustration.
Flagging gives players an option to not defend their wrecks. They can just NOT shoot the salvager
But it gives them the option to defend their wrecks with their ships.
Is it balanced? YES!
Because they now run the risk of a gank squad warping in with 20 guys and blasting them to hell.
That being said, i would approve of mechanisms to protect salvagers who have been given the right to salvage by mission runners. The contract or claim staking proposals work well.
What i would like to add is this, a simple warning
"By engaging this person you are allowing his corp and him to engage you with whatever ships they have for the next 30 minutes, be advised that he may not be working alone and/or may have other more combat capable ships readily available"
with a nice tick box to suppress this message in the future
Thus if someone got wreck flipped, they would have been warned
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Before i post i would like to give yet another real world example, not really related to the rest of my post. Consider this a box inlaid with jewels containing clothes. CCP now says, if a thief breaks into your house, and steals your clothes, you can shoot him. but if he takes a pliers and prys off the jewels he cannot be shot. You protest , they are my jewels! but people on the forums say "NO! he took skills and time and resources to break into your house!", "The jewels are not yours, he needed skill and a pair of pliers to remove them!".
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