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Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 00:32:00 - [1] Why do people compair us to other PVP entities like tri. TRI who assaulted Smashkill space with hundreds of ships and caps, moms etc. Of course Tri probably got more kills in Z-K in a weekend than we got in 2 weeks. What do you expect with like 50x the numbers we can field and in a major warzone. And to smashkill, i dont know where all the bitterness comes from. Its not like we sit there and ONLY engage ppl who dont check intel and travel on their own (although carebear zidrine drops are always nice). We WILL engage any size fleet if it is feezable for every ship to survive the battle to fight another day and that is where our understanding of PVP is different: Smash/Roadkill and all other major alliances PVP in these large lagged out slugfests where the winner is the last man standing holding the field. Most of our players have lived through this and do not enjoy this type of gameplay so we keep to small size fleets and enjoy the lag free fights we usually get. We generally stay away from space holding stuff like boring pos shooting ops. Also, unlike your 400man blobs, every member of the Burn Eden "team" is an important member of the gang, loosing ships isnt really acceptable even if we kill 50 of your guys in the process - its still classed as an unacceptable loss as we're then an "important" man down. Fighting this way (to me at least) is much better than being some piece of cannon fodder in a sea of wrecks. So i am sorry if we occasionally retreat from the battlefield when all your fleet warps ontop of us, we must suck! _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 00:46:00 - [2] Originally by: NATMav I'm happy to say that one of our nano gangs were responsible for three of those battleship losses, in three minutes no less. That'll teach you to steal our targets! Yeah that fight when we engaged your fleet (and i lost a raven) we could have warped off but we decided to engage your nano fleet with only 1 hyena as tackle. Unfortunatly a minute or so into the fight i think you guys decloaked 2 rapiers and killed our tackler, which was game over for our bs's. But yet again, we engage outnumbered 4 vs 9 was it i think, 3 ravens an a hynea vs multiple nano ships... and yet we dont fight. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 04:13:00 - [3] Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Angor ...every member of the Burn Eden "team" is an important member of the gang, loosing ships isnt really acceptable even if we kill 50 of your guys in the process - its still classed as an unacceptable loss as we're then an "important" man down. Thats the thing. Ships aren't important. The will to fight and risk is. I'd rather fight with someone that fights with no fear than someone who frets over fittings and losses. I'd rather have someone participate regardless of experience, isk, or skillpoints. If you wish to have an elitist attitude, fine. I'm not saying its better or worse. Just don't hold us to your standards and we won't hold you to ours. Your right, but its not like that really... the ships themselves arent as important as the people flying them (unless expensive fitted) but without the ship the pod is useless. You cant maintain a extended contract in deep in hostile terratory and loose ships only to have to fly 30 odd fekin jumps to get another ship and get back into the fight. Its ok for you guys, we blow u up and you can come back 5 mins later in a new ship. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 06:30:00 - [4] Originally by: ***zilla Originally by:** Angor the ships themselves arent as important as the people flying them (unless expensive fitted) but without the ship the pod is useless. You cant maintain a extended contract in deep in hostile terratory and loose ships only to have to fly 30 odd fekin jumps to get another ship and get back into the fight. Logistics are a problem. There are ways to solve this. A small pos in a random system without sov set and a few carrier jumps to supply it. The blackops ship with recons/stealth bombers were designed expressly for the issues you describe. Most of the time was spent in bwf which is 2 system from empire and like a dozen from Jita. I'm talking about when we were near the drone area of Q-T, lots of jumps to a new ship. I think we got more kills around Q-T tbh, not sure tho. We'd never put up a pos nor would you let us base from it for our ops, instant we put up a small pos you'd blob it and put it into reinforced so its just wasting money. And although we arent picky about our targets, ganking innocent badgers jumping into 0.0 systems without scouts or escorts, we did get many good fights like this one: http://smack.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=17507 or http://smack.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=17393 As for jump bridges, they are overpowerd and make your alliance have much less risk (and us less loot) but thats fine cos the more safe you feel in your jump bridge network the more silly kills we would get from people who would just sit at the jump bridge for hours, feeling protected by the pos, not ever imagining 2-3 guys killing them there. We even nearly killed a freighter at one of your jump bridges POS's in Q-T with 2 Ravens and a Mega for dps but Che Che's Wyvern turned up to rescue it half way thru structure ;(. I think we'll have to make a soundboard with your TS recordings because claiming your FC's are busy doing other things when we have TS recordings of one of ur members leaving channel then coming back and saying "None of the experienced FC's are willing to lead a fleet against these guys... they are saying just ignore them". The recordings of the suicidal stealth bomber pilot we killed like 3 times in a row was hillerious. We even have recordings of the FIX FC that took control of your fleet in BWF for a moral boosting op to N-RAEL only to loose more ships along the way (to ATF i believe) before he had to go, a least he was enthuziastic about wanting to try kill us, at least at first :) _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 07:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Colje So I just went through your KB (minus 2 weeks), those numbers you reported is just pure LIES. Go ahead ppl, check it yourself. Sure you got loads of cheap kills...but 45 bil vs 1.6 bil? just lol . ITS ALL LIES _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 09:27:00 - [6] Originally by: SSgt Sniper Originally by: Bobby Atlas Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Peoke finest pvpers. so those 200+ man fleets and dreads in drones, means our finest pvpers are dealing with you. Really stop blowing the smoke your camping did so little i didnt even bother to fight you. Didn't bother, or couldn't! Talk about blowing smoke. You can type, albeit with bad punctuation. However, you have never been a PVPer, let alone a fine one. Your camps although effective in nailing random and unaware individuals really proved ineffectual on a larger scale do simply to your numbers and tactics. When it was needed and warranted we would bust through you guys with little effort, such as to move freighters or similar. In other circumstances it was just the usual day to day life in geminate and bwf area - you think this is an exceptional situation that warrants an exceptional post but what you fail to realize is that is just everyday life in BWF area - cya BE. Bobby, save yourself the trouble. Burn Eden wants ganks, not pvp, and always cloaks at the first sign of an actual fight, yet continues to consider themselves some sort of pvp god. Meh. Thats amazing coming from you considering you were in TI and saw us fight on many occasions. You guys know the truth, why do you continue with this properganda thing claiming we dont even fight 1:1 odds.. My god i'd be amazed if ANY hostile gang brought 1:1 odds but nobody travels in small 5-10 man gangs anymore these days. Apart from the ganks of solo travelers, when ppl have actually decided to kill us and formed a gang, they've ALWAYS brought excessive numbers putting us at a miniumum 3:1 odds. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 09:53:00 - [7] Originally by: SSgt Sniper Why don't you go lose a carrier over it. Oh good burn, i iz crippled..... and for the record that kill was pure bull. I petitioned it and here the highlight of the reply i got: "Please note that even receiving the docking message does not make sure you can dock safely. That because your ship might be squeezed by other ships from the star gate or something else might happen to prevent you from docking. We wish you best of luck in the future as well as speedy recovery." lol wtf. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 11:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Lord Fitz News flash, corp using scouts, cloaks, treats the game as a profession and sits on enemy TS doesn't lose ships often. My god, I think we might be onto something. Someone call the ministry of the obvious and send out a press release. lol the sacasm and bitterness is strong in this one _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:34:00 - [9] Smash/Roadkill honestly, even if this thread is a "chest beating" thread as you call it, with the utterly pathetic and bitter replies i've seen here im not suprised we dont get perminant contracts in your space, u guys probably **** off so many ppl. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.10 04:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Angor on 10/05/2008 04:03:04 lol nearly 13 pages my god wtf. double pages than ur cap fight r@pe _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.10 13:49:00 - [11] Originally by: culdor lol nice stats.. but Im amazed to see no-cap kills at all.. Knowing these guys you def. should have popped carrier or 2 Yeah we nearly did a few suicidal carriers and 1 mental dread pilot all warped to gates we were on at seperate occasions, unfortunatly with only 2-3 bs's we didnt have the DPS to kill them before ppl would arive to save them. We did have the dread pilot held on a gate for 40 minutes while he sat there in siege tanking us, firing siege missiles at our tacklers lol, ebay toon or what? _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.10 16:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Darineah Charach Actually the reason i mention PL is because they started out small and grew. NAPwagon or not they are a force to be reckoned with. I could just have easily said OUTBREAK, or several others. All of whom are able to have an impact on 0.0 entities without resorting to the blob. But the argument is moot, you don't want that playstyle so ok. We're going round in circles here, i'm not trying to smack i'm just arguing cos i have nothing better to do at work (nightshift is so slack) and i think my point is valid. If you'd like to continue the discussion i'm all for it, just point out to me how your efforts affect us in real terms and we'll go from there. I'm willing to concede that from your point of view the damage inflicted is severe, all i'm saying is you're using the wrong yardstick and if you really want to hurt a 0.0 alliance, you'll have to get out of the pipes. Then again, maybe i should keep my mouth shut. BE with larger gangs roaming through valuable systems....probably shouldn't give you guys any ideas Yeah PL and Outbreak have grown alot, I've always had respect for both those corp/alliance but they again can field more numbers than us and thats primaraly by choice as more ppl means less isk for all involved. Most of BE are silly rich from all the alliance farming with 5 odd ppl to split all the loot. Mounts up to billions and billions each month for each member. I dont know how PL or Outbreak reward their members for their campaigns but i cant imagine each member getting a fat piece of the pie like in BE. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.11 01:11:00 - [13] I dont think anybody in BE would be interested in "crushing" an alliance even if we could... its why we only stay in an area for like 2 weeks because any longer than that and your wallets are starting to hurt, your not coming and fighting anymore and your trying to completly avoid us and/or redesign your jump bridge network etc. (like alliances have done in the past) to get around us. Its best to just leave and let everything to get back to normal for later respawns.. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Angor BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.05.11 02:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Tortenstecher Edited by: Tortenstecher on 11/05/2008 01:55:28 Originally by: Angor I dont think anybody in BE would be interested in "crushing" an alliance even if we could... its why we only stay in an area for like 2 weeks because any longer than that and your wallets are starting to hurt, your not coming and fighting anymore and your trying to completly avoid us and/or redesign your jump bridge network etc. (like alliances have done in the past) to get around us. Its best to just leave and let everything to get back to normal for later respawns.. Dude, you couldn't do shiat to a bigger alliance, let alone hurt someones wallet from such an alliance or even "crush" anything bigger than a small noobish gang. Keep cloaked and dream on! However you could tell us what you smoke, just so we know what drugs make you get out of touch with reality that much. P.S. I personally know couple of players that used to be in BE and left or fly with you. And ALL of them confirmed that over the last 2 years BE bacame bunch of lamers. Well alot of idiots have passed through these doors and evil has shown them the back door 2 minutes later, i take it its one of these disgruntled members who were only in the corp for less than a month your refering too. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!

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