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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 07:34:00 -
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Ok...been tending a POS in low sec and while waiting around I'll zoom about doing Exploration.
I found an Unknown and Gravimetric signature in a system.
I dropped Grav Quest probes all over for perfect coverage (trust me...every planet is covered).
Scan, scan, scan. Nothing, nada, zip, zilch (well, found some deadspace plexes but did those before here, not interested).
Thing is I have done this over and over for three days. Each time I scan for the full hour (at about 2.5 minutes per scan). All things considered easily 50+ actual scan runs.
Am I that unlucky or am I missing something really obvious here?
FWIW my relevant scanning skills are at L4.
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hiwaydog
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:41:00 -
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well idk but i seem to be having the same trouble,also gravimetric signature, though my skills aren't quite as good.
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AtlantisX
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:50:00 -
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I've had no major problems findng sites recently. II actually found a gravimetric site 2 days ago with little trouble.
I think all the exploration sites show up as "Deadspace Signatures", so maybe they are the Unkown and Gravimetric sites...
If you've tried for 3 days, have you checked with another Multi-spec that the sites are still there and haven't despawned?
The site may be a huge site, and thus have a very, VERY low chance of finding them, although 50 scans seems a lot not to get your first hit.
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FlameGlow
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.08 08:52:00 -
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1)There are less then 20 systems in all of eve you can get a perfect coverage ;)
In others you'll always have holes above and below ecliptics.
2)Even if you have perfect coverage if sig spawned at 3.5AU+ from any of your probes and has low strength the chance to find it is incredibly low
3)You have a streak of bad luck
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.05.08 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sigul Siento on 08/05/2008 10:20:36
 Originally by: FlameGlow
1)There are less then 20 systems in all of eve you can get a perfect coverage ;)
Presumeably that's if you only place probes at the actual planets? Because often you can get coverage by making BM's inbetween as needed, and make up for not being able to place a probe at each planet that way. Or, theoretically, get a mission in a convinient spot and work BM's from that location. Could be worth the effort if you have one set of systems you probe often.
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FlameGlow
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sigul Siento
Edited by: Sigul Siento on 08/05/2008 10:20:36
Originally by: FlameGlow
1)There are less then 20 systems in all of eve you can get a perfect coverage ;)
Presumeably that's if you only place probes at the actual planets? Because often you can get coverage by making BM's inbetween as needed, and make up for not being able to place a probe at each planet that way. Or, theoretically, get a mission in a convinient spot and work BM's from that location. Could be worth the effort if you have one set of systems you probe often.
I have bookmark sets like that for over 40 systems, and if I look at ecliptics plane then all 4AU circles around each planet are covered. This is sufficient in most cases. However space is 3D and there are small areas above and below plane left outside probe coverage. It's way too much effort to get bookmarks above and below ecliptics in the right spots for actual 100% coverage.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/05/2008 11:51:24
Originally by: FlameGlow
I have bookmark sets like that for over 40 systems, and if I look at ecliptics plane then all 4AU circles around each planet are covered. This is sufficient in most cases. However space is 3D and there are small areas above and below plane left outside probe coverage. It's way too much effort to get bookmarks above and below ecliptics in the right spots for actual 100% coverage.
I am using bookmarks to get complete coverage. Unless the deadspace sig is so on the edge that being 70km above the ecliptic is an issue I should have complete coverage.
If that is actually the case that seriously sucks. I would be amazed if probing is that sensitive when working on multiple AU scales to fail on a few tens of kilometers.
I have dropped a new multispec everyday...grav and unknown site are still there.
I am getting hits on Deadspace Signatures. Looking at my system map they show as red or yellow dots with the "Medium" or "Low" label. Are those the grav and unknown site? I generally ignore those as last time I bothered it was just a combat area and frankly lame (cost me more in probes than I made from the site).
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.05.08 11:51:00 -
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Take the time to make bm's that cover more of the system. If you don't roam around too much, you'll praise the scanning gods you made them.
Join us in the Exploration channel.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.05.08 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I am getting hits on Deadspace Signatures. Looking at my system map they show as red or yellow dots with the "Medium" or "Low" label. Are those the grav and unknown site? I generally ignore those as last time I bothered it was just a combat area and frankly lame (cost me more in probes than I made from the site).
I realy think that gravimetric hits show up as deadspace signatures too. Surely you are not getting results because you are ignoring the results you are getting.
I would sugest actually finding the hits you get, to find out what sites they actually are. Chances are, they include the gravimetric deadspace signatures you are looking for.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Calvert on 08/05/2008 13:07:13
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/05/2008 11:51:24
Originally by: FlameGlow
I have bookmark sets like that for over 40 systems, and if I look at ecliptics plane then all 4AU circles around each planet are covered. This is sufficient in most cases. However space is 3D and there are small areas above and below plane left outside probe coverage. It's way too much effort to get bookmarks above and below ecliptics in the right spots for actual 100% coverage.
I am using bookmarks to get complete coverage. Unless the deadspace sig is so on the edge that being 70km above the ecliptic is an issue I should have complete coverage.
If that is actually the case that seriously sucks. I would be amazed if probing is that sensitive when working on multiple AU scales to fail on a few tens of kilometers.
I have dropped a new multispec everyday...grav and unknown site are still there.
I am getting hits on Deadspace Signatures. Looking at my system map they show as red or yellow dots with the "Medium" or "Low" label. Are those the grav and unknown site? I generally ignore those as last time I bothered it was just a combat area and frankly lame (cost me more in probes than I made from the site).
All exploration sites are "deadspace signatures."
Read the guide:
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Interpreting Results
If you think a system's taking too long, then by all means go elsewhere, but the site is there to find, somewhere. If it's hard to find it's often also very valuable/difficult, so it's up to you whether or not to keep trying. You may also need to rework your probe placement - scan strength decreases as you get further from the probe, so if you have one probe covering two planets, consider shifting it to the other planet to give it some more loving.
Eventually, if you're persistent enough and your probe placement doesn't suck, you will get a result.
Results come as several columns:
- Type. This should be "Deadspace Signature", if you're doing it right
- Signal Strength. This is a nice big number that tells you the exact probability you had of getting this result. It's a value derived from various numbers and unique to your particular situation and probe placement, rather than a value attached to the site itself.
- Distance. This is how far the result is from where you are right now
- Accuracy. This is the exact distance from the result to the actual site
If you don't see all four columns, expand your system scanner window and/or resize them until you do
Signal Strength can tell you a lot, if you know what you're looking for. For example, an exceptionally low number may suggest that you've found the wrong type of site. As you gain more experience you'll get a feel for signal strengths and learn what's high, what's low and what they tend to result in. This is just something you'll need to practice, though.
Also note that it is possible to find the "wrong sort" of site with a particular probe. If you look at say the Gravimetric Quest probe, you'll see it has a Gravimetric Sensor Strength of 250, and a Sensor Strength of 50 for the other types. This means it's five times more likely to find a Gravimetric site than it is to find another site of the same difficulty, but it is still possible to find one of those other types. As some sites are harder than others, you may find your Gravimetric probes are finding an "easy" Radar site faster than a "hard" Gravimetric site, for example. This is just something you have to get used to; Unknowns are a particular pain in this regard as any probe will find them, so if you're looking for something else and there's an Unknown in system, you'll probably pick it up at some point...
So, the answer is yes, those deadspace signatures can be the grav or the unknown or whatever type the multispec showed. You wont be able to tell until you scan them down.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.08 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
So, the answer is yes, those deadspace signatures can be the grav or the unknown or whatever type the multispec showed. You wont be able to tell until you scan them down.
I could have sworn when scanning, say, a Mag site the results come back as "Magnetometric" and not Deadspace.
I will certainly have a go at the Deadspace sigs I found and kick myself for being such a nub with a serious brain fart if those are it.
(wish we had a facepalm emoticon for times like these)
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Greenbolt
Minmatar
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:42:00 -
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I ran into a site like that.
I spent 3 full sets of probes looking for it while my alt ran missions.
Next morning corp mate spent 2 sets.
We got annoyed and worked together..he dropped quests certain planets and I dropped on others ( to get full coverage)
then we dropped overlapping quests at each others BM spots.
turns out the little basta was at the very edge of an deadspot (my bm sets wouldnever have found it do to being just outside the curve of 2 elliptics).
Not worth the effort we put into it but was more for the ...that sites not getting away type mentality.
My suggestion (and what I should have done but was lazy)..if your quest sets dont find it first time...swap around the planets you have quests on even if it leaves a few holes to check the planets you didnt drop quests at the first time.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
So, the answer is yes, those deadspace signatures can be the grav or the unknown or whatever type the multispec showed. You wont be able to tell until you scan them down.
I could have sworn when scanning, say, a Mag site the results come back as "Magnetometric" and not Deadspace.
I will certainly have a go at the Deadspace sigs I found and kick myself for being such a nub with a serious brain fart if those are it.
(wish we had a facepalm emoticon for times like these)
Probably you got the idea from multi probes, which do give specific signature types.
Btw: sympathy. 
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.08 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
1)There are less then 20 systems in all of eve you can get a perfect coverage ;)
/agree that it's very, very few. But I'm really curious if that's a genuine number, and if so, how you figured it out?
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Had Enough
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
(wish we had a facepalm emoticon for times like these)
I think this might be what you're looking for.
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Saphert Kronitius
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Posted - 2008.05.08 23:28:00 -
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I've had similar issues with gravimetric sites. Last night I thew out a multispec and it returned with a gravimetric and an unknown. I dropped a full set of quest probes (not complete coverage by any means) and it took me 7 scans to get a hit, and I was luck to get the hit at that. The signal strength was 0.4something. I worked my way down to sift probes, getting closer each time. I then blew through 10 sift probes trying to find the site, and did a lot of back and forth warping, as I got varying accuracies between 670km and 125km. A total of 2 and a half hours later I was on my last sift probe in my ship and finally got an accuracy of 28km.
The haul was worth it in the end. I spent 4 hours mining the roids till they were gone, and had a very, very nice haul of all flavors of jaspet (about 100km3), kernite (about the same) and omber (about 150km3).
I feel your pain.  But I also think that gravimetric sites have weaker signal strength than the other types of sites.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.09 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Saphert Kronitius
I feel your pain. But I also think that gravimetric sites have weaker signal strength than the other types of sites.
I think you are right as I got weird results with Sift (new hits would be farther away than I currently was).
And yeah...posters above were right and I'm a newb. I think I have to quit EVE now. Not because I am mad walking off in a tantrum but out of embarrassment. 
Thanks though for straightening me out here all of you.
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