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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:37:00 - [1] DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:43:00 - [2] Bonus should only apply to ships ON GRID, imo. Same goes for all the other gang bonus ships / mods etc. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Doosh Bagge Originally by: darkseed I do however want the DD in a hostile pos bubble see adressed. This. If you fix that you also fix the DD in a friendly pos bubble "issue" / "feature". Not saying you shouldn't, you should take that in to account though because that is one thing that a titan defending a pos has to take in to account. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:48:00 - [4] Originally by: mama guru Originally by: Anna Valerios Originally by: ElrondMD Titans dont matter, its titans in Cyno Jammed systems that matter. Simple solution. Make a doomsday not work in a jammed system. fixed. Yes cos we didnt kill Oort with a bs fleet, 3 dreads are on the mail as far as I can see and they warped in as he was in armor. Yes but Oort didnt have the comfort of a cyno jammer and 6 other titans on the grid to get rid of that pesky BS fleet and the associated pods/reinforcements. Nor did we. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 13:58:00 - [5] Originally by: mama guru Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Kalissa The only area in which I think Titans would need nerfing is in the area of cyno jammers. Lets face it most big alliances now have multiple titans, all you need is a few at a cyno jammer and you have won the fight, the enemy will never ever be able to take the system. Wouldnt matter if the enemy brought 300 people and your fleet was just 5 strong, if they were titans you've won. I would make it to that a DD could not be set off on the same grid as an onlined cyno jammer. Lets face it though there are far more Titans in game than CCP estimated there would be and it's only a matter of time until Titans get hit by the nerf bat, and I suspect they'll do more to them than I think it warranted. If they have < 20 titans, you can probably have alarmclock op and knock down jammer before they know what hit them. Knocking head into wall won't do it, though. If they have 20ish titans they will have atleast 3 avavible at all times you're really letting on how little of a life you have here, mama. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Swamp Ziro Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Man I'm going to quote the living **** out of this post, thanks diana I've said this before, I this just proves you need the "mass" in "media" before it gets anywhere :( Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:36:00 - [7] Originally by: TroNaaR Fix the DD in a pos bubble, thats bullcrap. Or better yet, make the pos's work off standings. Thanks! ps. Free Dastommy79 in '08 ALLIANCE STANDINGS PLZ TY! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 08/05/2008 14:48:47 They've taken the majority of low stakes large scale combat out of the game, fights that just about anyone considers fun. They've encouraged dread and carrier use, and capital fights are probably the enjoyable experience in 0.0, but they're still pretty rare partly because of cyno jammers, and partly because of dreadnought mechanics. The combat style of dreads breaks it down to almost being entirely about numbers, so even less talented FCs know when they have no chance, and losing usually means you lose nearly everything. When you can just warp out when things don't go your way people are willing to take risks. DD's being nerfed in some fashion is inevitable as a single alliance being capable of instantly killing a capital fleet will ruin the very little fun that's left of large 0.0 combat. No they haven't, Scavok, or are you ignoring the various roaming groups that are "just fine, thanks"? In fact, there are now MORE roaming groups than there was pre-sov, so I'm a bit confused as to where you think DD has cheesed anyone off? And again, I've gotta say, your claim that "it's all about numbers" is complete hogwash and shows a severe lack of tactical thought. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:26:00 - [9] Originally by: ardik For example, you have a cyno jammed system, you park 10 titans at 0 to the jammer. What exactly is the enemy supposed to do against that? I'm open to suggestions. Go attack the other systems that have no titans in Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Scavok Roaming groups != large scale combat. Fighting the north in XZH, against V/LV, there were multiple daily fleet battles with hundreds of people. It was an absolute blast compared to pvp today, where if you expose fleets that large outside of a cyno jammer you either face a much stronger fleet that you're very unlikely to beat, or you're going to get DD'd until their fleet can beat you. Were a blast why? Because you were winning, right? Don't sit there and say "whaaa, titans", when the whole reason they are here is so it forces people NOT to use blobs. Some may say that it isn't working, that it only leads to more blobs. Yet I repeat my statement, there are now more roaming / small gang groups than ever and they completely reject titans, pos, capital ships - it's taking a while but titans are actually WORKING. Originally by: Scavok And capital combat is entirely about numbers. What other reason is there for how rare actual fights are? The vast majority of capital pvp is completely one-sided ganks that take place no different than your fabled op a couple months ago. When the numbers are close there are a million things to consider, but if one side has 30 dreads and the other has 50, the 50 will win 99% of the time. You get 30 battleships vs 50 battleships, the 50 certainly have an advantage, but the outcome is much less certain. You're wrong. I'll take 30 caps in to 50 any day, in fact I think we have done, and come out on top the majority of the time. Capital fights aren't just about "siege and stay until you die, or they do" and it's a real shame that someone who should know better is making statements like that. Numbers help. That is all they do, they are not the deciding factor. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Scavok If we were winning goonswarm would be up in XZH. We lost frequently against V/LV, and the only time it wasn't fun was when we would lose after a node crash, but in those days CCP reimbursed ships when they failed so it didn't really matter. I've never found roaming/small stuff very fun. I don't understand the joy people get from ganking some ratting **** who couldn't cloak fast with 15 hacs. If that's how CCP wants 0.0 combat then that's really unfortunate. Shame, our last roam bagged a mothership. Guess you need to improve a bit? Originally by:** Scavok No, you never have and never will. You're also one of the few people in BoB who really has no room to make these kinds of statements considering you were the FC who lost 9 dreads for 0 kills to RA's 15 dreads +9 carriers. Have, will and do - so what if I've been hotdropped and lost a load of caps, Scavok? We laugh about it and get on with it, you cry and quit, amirite? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadoo I can understand the BoB point of view on this having invested so much isk into Titans. However, you guys MUST agree there's something a bit off with the current rate the Titans are flying out the oven and the way they are being used (not nessesarily by BoB). . . . However, without DD -- Titan is definately not worth the current investment made in them. So you can't just remove it. Titans either need a role change or a way to defend itself against dictors & hictors. We absolutely do, Shadoo, and many of us have tried to contribute to discussions about alternatives etc - the problem arises when those who are too stupid to think of a counter, or realise WHY the counter is such a problem (something you note in the bit about module lag) and completely miss the point about the discussion. If we're going to balance it, we must ignore lag. Lag affects everyone equally, if we're to consider lag then half the mods and ships in eve are imbalanced (example, shields are imbalanced over armour because shields will naturally regen, in lag you can't activate an armor repper, ergo shields > armour, you see my point I'm sure). We're all for "changing" things to get balance, but we're NOT for artificial limits, we're not for removal of a BIG part of why people build the things and we're completely laffo at the whines from people who have had just as much opportunity to invest in these ships themselves... except most times they try someone robs the fund, or the pilot is too coward to use it on the frontline. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:15:00 - [13] Originally by: ardik Not really, bob would bridge them around and coupled with POS timers the only thing you achived was spreading your forces thin. But but but, I thought there was a cynojammer in every system, how can this be? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Scavok There's much less actual fun, large scale combat taking place because of titans. That doesn't seem good to me. And we disagree, perhaps you should just have less blues? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:41:00 - [15] Originally by: ardik Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Scavok There's much less actual fun, large scale combat taking place because of titans. That doesn't seem good to me. And we disagree, perhaps you should just have less blues? hey were are those killboard links you promised? you can mail them to me in game if you will ;-* I didn't promise you any links, ardik, you asked for them and I ignored you. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:01:00 - [16] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Torhas Originally by: TWD Dropping multiple titans on a roaming gang is the same (both "unfair", omg the horror) as dropping a bunch of carriers/ms to support on a friendly gang against that roaming gang. Except the fact titans = 1-click-kill. Good point, nerf that ****! :D NERF IT ALL! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1? The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:29:00 - [18] Originally by: ardik Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1? The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that. Heh, you remember the devs in bob that ccp said didn't exist? Good times... More importantly, do you? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:53:00 - [19] I hear ya Eddz, I just think that there's a better way of discussing it (ie, with solutions) and a better place (which should be game development, but threads there, on this topic, inevitably end up going the same way). As you say, who knows how to fix it, between the camp of "They're fine" and "whaa we can't beat them so they must be overpowered (and every time we try to build one our money is stolen!)" is the solution. <3 twd btw :p Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Yaay Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1? The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that. gosh dian, how many times did we see this arguement with like 450-500 in local... or with 900 in local. guess bob have a sliding scale to dictate their needs. For alts, proof and facts never get in the way of making themselves look stupid. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Except nobody ever filled a system with 1000 pilots UNTIL there were titans. rofl. quoting for future hilarity. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:27:00 - [22] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer so why not increase the cost of firing up a Doomsday Devise? lets say 1 billion or more worth of fuel, so you don't DD everything mindless cause it's just laughable cheap to use a dd, rather than fight and maybe lose some ships. This is a reasonable suggestion. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Tassi If those things would be special gifts from events, okay, but not this joke. lmao, I can see it now. CCP: "grats bob for winning a doomsday mod" Cryalition: "WHAAAAAAAAAA CHEATZ HAX WHAAAAAAAAAAAA" Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 09/05/2008 14:36:30 Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Except nobody ever filled a system with 1000 pilots UNTIL there were titans. There was no titan around in jv1v, or was Ens/Chow in system? ok there was one in production, but that's about it. Human nature is so that it will exploit any advantage it can get to win. If that means having to pour 1000 people into a system, they will. It was about killing a baby-titan. Think Chow was around as well, not sure though. But even when ASCN and BOB attacked EC- it was about supercaps. A continuous camp of 300-600 people, camping a system for 6 days straight. And why? Because it was the possible buildlocation of a supercap... And you say titans don't cause blobs Titans didn't exist, Malachon, that was all about motherships. F-T was also all about motherships. So I do deduce by your statement that, in fact, titans don't cause blobbing, motherships do! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Tassi If those things would be special gifts from events, okay, but not this joke. lmao, I can see it now. CCP: "grats bob for winning a doomsday mod" Cryalition: "WHAAAAAAAAAA CHEATZ HAX WHAAAAAAAAAAAA" Yes, because you have never gotten anything unfairly from CCP. Way to miss the point by a country mile. I wonder, Malachon, were you one of those whiners that complained and *****ed when the Miner II bpos were dropped and held it so bitterly close to your heart for so long you stopped seeing straight? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 14:55:00 - [26] Phrixus, for someone who is trying to speak with authority on this subject, you're pretty ignorant. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Goktar illiat Originally by: Dianabolic Phrixus, for someone who is trying to speak with authority on this subject, you're pretty ignorant. For someone trying to justify a obvious game balance breaker, you're sounding rather desperate (pathetic) Pretty obviously you're not reading what I'm posting then, well done, because if you had you would see I'm not justifying it - there's a difference between saying "removing it is stupid" and "yes, things need to be changed, but overall the mechanic is fine". I guess you'd know, if your titans managed to hit a dd before getting destroyed, hey? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Dianabolic Phrixus, for someone who is trying to speak with authority on this subject, you're pretty ignorant. For someone whos trying to take part in this discussion, you've yet to make a point. Perhaps you should put down the cup'o'whine and read what people are posting, then. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam So much for the titan being the anti blob weapon. Hey RZR, seeing as you've got, like, 5x (or 4x, I forget) as many titans as the enemy you're fighting right now you should be pretty impregnable, right? Of course you are. I wonder how long until that gets tested, hey. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

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