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ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:07:00 - [1] titans are pretty ***, especially under cyno jammers where the enemy won't have anything other than sub-capitals, which become pretty irrelevant with multiple titans around. For example, you have a cyno jammed system, you park 10 titans at 0 to the jammer. What exactly is the enemy supposed to do against that? I'm open to suggestions. and honestly, every single titan kill so far has been lucky as hell, where everyone goes "heh, that was really dumb of him". I really can't think of a single exception. Even if used solo, properly(sit cloaked, warp in at long range, dd snipe, warp out) then they're next to impossible to kill since they can warp out so quickly. The worst part is that they're really boring though. I can't think of a single example where i saw someone get dd'ed and didn't think that was pretty boring, even if it was hostiles, since then we wouldn't even get a fight.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Dianabolic You're wrong. I'll take 30 caps in to 50 any day, in fact I think we have done, and come out on top the majority of the time. Oh this is interesting, post fleet battle killboard links
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:00:00 - [3] Yeah scavok is on a roll, i'll just lean back a
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Shadoo There were ways around the titans in Delve BoB fielded, but it required massive numbers and simultanious attacks on outposts. Not really, bob would bridge them around and coupled with POS timers the only thing you achived was spreading your forces thin. Originally by: Shadoo If you want to make DDing interesting -- why not add a "siege" element to the device that makes the ship stay in place for a period of time. And to make it really interesting -- any DD activation disables the cynojammer in system for the 30min onlining period . No DD's in cyno jammed systems coupled with DD'ing requiring 10 min siege would make them less brainless at least.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:20:00 - [5] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: ardik Not really, bob would bridge them around and coupled with POS timers the only thing you achived was spreading your forces thin. But but but, I thought there was a cynojammer in every system, how can this be? oh my bad, i thought POS jump bridges worked in cyno jammed systems which meant you could freely move a cap fleet between cyno jammed systems.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Nick Curso Scavok the roam originally had 30 ppl in crusers and below who kept the MS tackled, the rest of the fleet hot tailed it from PR to fountain something like 20 jumps to kill it once we were called for. Ugh, so you just pushed as many ppl into one system as you could, with little effort!!!!
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Nick Curso Originally by: ardik Originally by: Nick Curso Scavok the roam originally had 30 ppl in crusers and below who kept the MS tackled, the rest of the fleet hot tailed it from PR to fountain something like 20 jumps to kill it once we were called for. Ugh, so you just pushed as many ppl into one system as you could, with little effort!!!! yep a whole 120 ppl into a hostile cyno jammed system and killed a super cap with a support fleet. Ok, I see I'll have to be blunt here: this totally awesome roam you had here which was totally fun and everyone should try out, happened to be against the one single alliance in the game without a titan. If BRUCE actually had a titan they'd warp it in after like 5 mins, DD your gang from 200km out, warp out 10 seconds later while laughing at the silly, lil' bobbits in pods. This is exactly the thing BoB has done against as little as SOLO people roaming around their space.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Nick Curso Originally by: ardik Originally by: Nick Curso Originally by: ardik Originally by: Nick Curso Scavok the roam originally had 30 ppl in crusers and below who kept the MS tackled, the rest of the fleet hot tailed it from PR to fountain something like 20 jumps to kill it once we were called for. Ugh, so you just pushed as many ppl into one system as you could, with little effort!!!! yep a whole 120 ppl into a hostile cyno jammed system and killed a super cap with a support fleet. Ok, I see I'll have to be blunt here: this totally awesome roam you had here which was totally fun and everyone should try out, happened to be against the one single alliance in the game without a titan. If BRUCE actually had a titan they'd warp it in after like 5 mins, DD your gang from 200km out, warp out 10 seconds later while laughing at the silly, lil' bobbits in pods. This is exactly the thing BoB has done against as little as SOLO people roaming around their space. So whats stopping them? Badly managed alliance that doesn't even have a fraction of the good moons in their space and the ones they do have is used to finance the executor(which just left) suiciding carriers into everything and buying billions in trimarks to fit on horribly fit battleship fleets that are badly led. tl;dr, bruce is a horrible alliance
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Scavok There's much less actual fun, large scale combat taking place because of titans. That doesn't seem good to me. And we disagree, perhaps you should just have less blues? hey were are those killboard links you promised? you can mail them to me in game if you will ;-*
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: ardik Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Scavok There's much less actual fun, large scale combat taking place because of titans. That doesn't seem good to me. And we disagree, perhaps you should just have less blues? hey were are those killboard links you promised? you can mail them to me in game if you will ;-* I didn't promise you any links, ardik, you asked for them and I ignored you. Why did you do that? ;_;

ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:44:00 - [11] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: ardik If BRUCE actually had a titan they'd warp it in after like 5 mins, DD your gang from 200km out, warp out 10 seconds later while laughing at the silly, lil' bobbits in pods. Like goonies did... and MC did... and all the other hostile (to bob) titans do against us? Exactly! Thank god someone got the point at last. Now if you think that's more fun than having an actual fight then more power to you!(another way of calling you an idiot fyi)
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Yaay Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Scavok There's much less actual fun, large scale combat taking place because of titans. That doesn't seem good to me. And we disagree, perhaps you should just have less blues? QFT.... people just don't understand, naps were the number 1 reason titan numbers got out of hand in the first place. Yes clearly the reason why titans got out of hand was because of large power blocs forming, not because its some completely ****** superweapon that renders 90% of all the ships in eve irrelevant and makes ** really trite and boring
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Shadoo If you recall, QY6 was taken because a simultanious assault took place in several systems at the same time. When QY6 was taken there were at least 4 titans in system, however bob was all :effort: at the time since they lost most of period basis in a day and could barely get people to log in, nothing with splitting up and attacking multiple systems. Quote: There are still places you can roam to with 80 people and have a good fun fight. <3 BRUCE. Funny that one of the last places you can have a "good fun fight" is also one of the last places where you won't get dd'ed everywhere.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:15:00 - [14] Anyway, i think making DD's require some kind of 10min siege mode and making it impossible to DD in cyno jammed system would solve a lot of issues without making them worthless, but also taking away the really homosexual parts.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Narciss Sevar So are those right people in tri? Do you think a similar speech would inspire flagging morale in DORM or DOOM for instance? "Ok guys, we can't come and help you guys since we're busy with strategic stuff(evaccing every last bit of supplies) so stop dying, ie. dont fight and dont evac to empire since we need someone to fuel these pos, oh and pay us our damned rent, any questions?" I'm not sure if it applies very well on Tri without some modification though.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:19:00 - [16] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: ardik Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: ardik If BRUCE actually had a titan they'd warp it in after like 5 mins, DD your gang from 200km out, warp out 10 seconds later while laughing at the silly, lil' bobbits in pods. Like goonies did... and MC did... and all the other hostile (to bob) titans do against us? Exactly! Thank god someone got the point at last. Now if you think that's more fun than having an actual fight then more power to you!(another way of calling you an idiot fyi) ah that old.. "you dont agree with my opinion, you must be wrong" arguement.. excellent.. more like your posts contradict eachother every step of the way and instead of trying to reason with you when you're clearly trolling then i'll just call your arguments idiotic and move along
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:09:00 - [17] Originally by: TWD It can be very risky to use titans when the hostile group has fast enough dictors + heavy dictors (setup to tank DD, which isn't hard, to take over scrambling) and capitals standing by (to login). except if you have multiple titans in which case its pretty much risk free under a cyno jammer(now that hictors have been fixed), or, and this is more **ty, if you use lone titans to kill gangs numbering 1-30 guys in which case they can't do . Quote:** but why would they not have capitals if they have a titan? Roaming gangs. I agree that 30 carriers or something sitting at a jammer pos would be more effective than a lone titan, but once you have 30 titans sitting at a jammer then a conventional fleet won't even be able to load grid before they're all dead. In conclusion, if you cherry pick some scenarios then titans are only a bit broken, but if you really make an effort then they're game breaking.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 08/05/2008 19:55:25 Originally by: ardik except if you have multiple titans in which case its pretty much risk free under a cyno jammer. But hang on, without cynojammers, you return to the "risk free" old tactic of dreads to reinforce whole regions overnight then logging 20 jumps away. Is this what you want? You know, if multiple titans are camping a jammer after your initial downing of it, what is to stop you using dreadnaughts that you get cyno'ed in? Why cyno them out 20 jumps away? What Originally by: TWD Dropping multiple titans on a roaming gang is the same (both "unfair", omg the horror) as dropping a bunch of carriers/ms to support on a friendly gang against that roaming gang. Both really fun and exciting tactics that leads to great gameplay(this is a game fyi), right?
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1? The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that. Heh, you remember the devs in bob that ccp said didn't exist? Good times...
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: ardik Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Dianabolic DD shouldn't be removed. It should be changed. Oh, and having artificial limits is far more "game breaking" than NOT having them. Really.. 700 local limit remember that 1? The limit that CCP said never existed, yes I remember that. Heh, you remember the devs in bob that ccp said didn't exist? Good times... More importantly, do you? Stop pyramiding

ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:35:00 - [21] yes he dd'ed like 5 goons camping a gate, killed mostly his own guys iirc
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:38:00 - [22] post.scriptum.scriptum.scriptum.scriptum? doesn't make sense to me vov
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Centuri I dunno if your Titan is self funded or what Eddz, but if I had helped a guy to get a titan (or a corp helped them), i'd seriously be ****ed if they started looking for nerfs straight after they got it. "Thanks for the titan guys, now i'm gonna see if i can get all your hard earned work nerfed, bbl!" Are you telling us that all the bob posts in this thread are purely motivated by the fact that they have titans? Interesting..
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 23:02:00 - [24] Edited by: ardik on 08/05/2008 23:02:55 Originally by: TWD Originally by: HydroSan I'm in BoB Sup sup o/ hey just want to help out, but it looks like you're not in BoB, as your ticker shows otherwise. Or you posted with the wrong character, that could also be a possibility. I assume you only replied to that part of his post since it was the only thing you could prove false? In other words: Originally by: TWD I'm in BoB. My alliance owns 12 Titans. Because of this, I am going to scream "NO" as loud as I can to any criticism of the shipclass and proclaim them to be "whiners" and then pat my other BoB buddies on the back as we shit out another Titan and stack eight of them against our enemies at a time. I am not biased, and Titans aren't imbalanced, which is why we have so many. I am simply too pro for you to comprehend.
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 23:06:00 - [25] Originally by: TWD No he is quite wrong, we have more than 12 titans (I think). So you agree that titans are overpowered, and that's the reason why you're against nerfs, seeing as you think you have more than 12?
ardik TunkbwahCorp GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 23:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Rebellion WHINE Whatever bobbit

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