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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:07:00 - [1] Greetings Idmei Sver, I note with some concern that operatives from your organisation appear to have entered one of my hangars without authorisation and placed goods there. I consider this to be unacceptable. Given the obvious advantages to placing spying devices in hangars across the cluster, I would like to ask you if any other devices were left behind along with the clearly inferior ship. Furthermore, I found the note left with this pile of junk to be demeaning and insulting. Let me remind of your words: Originally by: Idmei Sver For you, children, on your fifth birthday. May your next five years be as full of promise and hope, and may you one day walk with us as equals among the stars. Firstly, that anyone from your race would dare to address an adult Amarrian as a child is an affront to our superior culture and heritage. Additionally, the idea that I would want to be your equal is laughable. Maybe one day in the future your descendants may become sufficiently enlightened to consider themselves Amarrian, but in the meantime I have to ask why you think I would want to lower myself to your level. Therefore Sver, I would like you to let me know to where I may return this unwanted gift. Should you not reply, I will dispose of your vessel in an appropriate manner - by destroying it. I shall also urge others with concerns similar to mine to do likewise. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:27:00 - [2] No good deed goes unpunished? Remind me not to buy you a birthday present. We come for our people
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:26:00 - [3] Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:34:02 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:33:03 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. Secondly, the fact that even though the Amarrian fleet (one of many) fared badly against the Jovian fleet, it inflicted sufficient damage against what is likely to have been the bulk of the Jovian navy for the Jovians to retreat into isolation. Thirdly, the SOCT is no longer a part of the Jovian Empire. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:51:00 - [5] Pilot Rodj Blake, I understand that you are not happy with the gift that each capsuleer received a short while ago so here is my kind offer to take ownership of the unwanted vessel providing I can pick it up in a system I can safely travel to and from my home station. You are free to take up on my offer by evemail should you be interested. PRETA is now recruiting.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. Fable. I have never believed this. San Matari Official forums
Uroborus Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.08 16:47:00 - [7] Perhaps, Rodj, your time would have been better spent reverse engineering the few subsystems we have all been gifted with instead of spitting into the wind. The notion that Mr. Sver would waste any futher effort given your response is idiocy. Stop crying in public and just destroy the ship. --
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. Thanks to them you are now able to sit in a pod. Originally by: Rodj Blake Secondly, the fact that even though the Amarrian fleet (one of many) fared badly against the Jovian fleet, it inflicted sufficient damage against what is likely to have been the bulk of the Jovian navy for the Jovians to retreat into isolation. If the Empire had so many fleets available at the time, why weren't you able to crush the Minmatar Rebellion? Afterall, they are only savages with sticks and stones, right? Originally by: Rodj Blake Thirdly, the SOCT is no longer a part of the Jovian Empire. So suddenly they aren't of the Jove race anymore?
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. Fable. I have never believed this. Believe what you wish, the facts are on the table.
Allaria Kriss Minmatar Elipse Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:09:00 - [10] If I remember the story correctly, the Jovians had a supercapital ship on their side. The Amarrian fleet did not even have regular capitals. That makes the battle a bit one-sided don't you think? All well and good, though, considering the indirect outcome of freeing a fair chunk of my people. But I digress... I'll happily take these shuttles off the hands of anyone that has concerns about them. You may contract them to me in the Isikemi or Isaziwa systems. I will also be happy to pay for them, up to one million ISK. Certainly PIE can defend the Empire from terrorists with that money, rather than throw it away to make a point?
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Allaria Kriss If I remember the story correctly, the Jovians had a supercapital ship on their side. The Amarrian fleet did not even have regular capitals. That makes the battle a bit one-sided don't you think? All well and good, though, considering the indirect outcome of freeing a fair chunk of my people. But I digress... When the Khanid Kingdom seperated from the Amarr Empire in 22762 AD, they took one of three Amarrian Titans with them. The Amarr-Jove War only started in 23216 AD, five hundred years later. I imagen the Empire having a decent Capital Ship fleet by then, so your statement about the Amarr Navy not having any Capital Ships at the time of the Battle of Vak'Atioth is incorrect. Added to that, the mere fact that the Jove had a Supercapital on their side when the Amarr only send Cruisers and Battleships for an invasion of all things, clearly shows the superiority of the Jove Empire.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. Thanks to them you are now able to sit in a pod. We curse them for their 'gift'. Wherever I come across one of these abominable creations, I will purge it with divine fury. I have never been this insulted before. ----------------------------------------------
Allaria Kriss Minmatar Elipse Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:45:00 - [13] There's a concept called context that you need to learn Astarte. I was speaking of the battle, not of the Empire as a whole. That said, as military tactics are a hobby of mine, I can parry your second statement as well. Bringing in subcapital ships for an invasion is a fairly common tactic, as anyone in any number of alliances will tell you. Capital ships are often more of a liability than an assistance to any attack force with an intent on moving rapidly (As invasion forces typically do), as capitals are slow, cumbersome, and unable to interface with standard stargate technology, thus increasing logistics a hundredfold; they are also laughably easy to cut off and destroy should a battle turn against the attacker, making a catastrophic defeat like Vak'Atioh far more likely to result in a total military collapse; there are several alliances out there that can vouch for this, having folded soon after losing their Titan-class flagships or capital fleets in catastrophic battles. By wisely holding back their capital assets, the Amarr considered the fact they might lose, and prevented their holdings from completely disintegrating when their fleet was obliterated. The defeat was still a disaster for the Amarr, but it was not a total disaster. The simplified version of the above: 'Wise generals do not launch all-out offensives if they have anything they need to defend.' That said I'm not going to bother arguing the Battle itself with you. You'll believe what you want to believe, something religious folks tend to be very good at. My offer to purchase the offending shuttles still stands, however.
Carcosa Hali Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:34:02 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:33:03 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. That's right Rodj, you Amarrian guys just keep telling yourselves that.. nods reassuringly -------------- Sometimes you lose it all... Sacrifice: The Sansha War
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Allaria Kriss By wisely holding back their capital assets, the Amarr considered the fact they might lose, and prevented their holdings from completely disintegrating when their fleet was obliterated. The defeat was still a disaster for the Amarr, but it was not a total disaster. That's where you are wrong. Amarrian arrogance and pride prevents them from ever considering the possibility of defeat, up till Vak'Atioth they had mainly been victorious all the time. Besides, if you are planning to invade an enemy, knowing it has Supercapital ships, would you bring a) a Cruiser/Battleship fleet you know doesn't stand a chance or b) bring your own Supercapitals to at least get better odds?
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. Thanks to them you are now able to sit in a pod. We curse them for their 'gift'. Wherever I come across one of these abominable creations, I will purge it with divine fury. I have never been this insulted before. Well somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Why is it that Amarrans are the only ones who have found something to cry about after being given this gift? I'd hate to see you on your birthday, purging lovingly wrapped presents from your sight with "divine fury". Okay, so it may not be the best gift, but what did you expect? A bloody Titan? If you're so insulted, why destroy it? Why not give it to your corporation's engineers to tinker with? Maybe they'll find some interesting things to reverse engineer. Or you could give it to someone who actually wants it. I don't think the SoCT will call you out for re-gifting. But no, you'd rather huff and puff and toss the thing in the trash.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Trent Valtine Well somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Why is it that Amarrans are the only ones who have found something to cry about after being given this gift? I'd hate to see you on your birthday, purging lovingly wrapped presents from your sight with "divine fury". Okay, so it may not be the best gift, but what did you expect? A bloody Titan? If you're so insulted, why destroy it? Why not give it to your corporation's engineers to tinker with? Maybe they'll find some interesting things to reverse engineer. Or you could give it to someone who actually wants it. I don't think the SoCT will call you out for re-gifting. But no, you'd rather huff and puff and toss the thing in the trash. If you actually read my letter, you will see that it's not so much the gift that I object to as the manner in which it was delivered and the insulting letter that accompanied it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Gaius Kador We curse them for their 'gift'. Yet there you are, sitting in one. Really, if you can't stand the goo, get out of the grave. It's not like it's giving your fleet an edge or anything... Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Carcosa Hali Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:34:02 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/05/2008 15:33:03 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. That's right Rodj, you Amarrian guys just keep telling yourselves that.. nods reassuringly It's not just technology that's important but also many other things such as culture, heritage, the arts, spirituality, and wisdom. Of course, I don't expect a tumble drier to understand these things. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Rodj Blake If you actually read my letter, you will see that it's not so much the gift that I object to as the manner in which it was delivered and the insulting letter that accompanied it. Well, if you read my comment, you would have noticed that I was talking to Captain Kador, not you, but I think you're being silly as well. Of course, that silliness comes from being a shameless bigot, so I guess you're not going to listen to a Gallentean heathen when he tells you you're being childish.
Fox Vulcan Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:19:00 - [21] From the sources I found, the Ammar Navy got its backside handed to it on a plate. A supercapital? Id like to see one someday... In war, theres only one person who takes the victory. And, undoutably, they have the better tactics, the faster ships, and, yes, the bigger guns. From a schorlarly point of view, things may differ, but I would take a victory over a moral triumph on the field anyday. **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
Chani Miranor Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:29:00 - [22] Add my "gift" to the return / destruction queue as well admiral. This was an unwanted intrusion on my private hangars.
Trent Valtine Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Chani Miranor Add my "gift" to the return / destruction queue as well admiral. This was an unwanted intrusion on my private hangars. It's not as if operatives of the Society of Conscious Thought gassed your staff, slipped into your hangars, planted the shuttle, then snuck out without a sound. It seems to me that it was delivered just like any other item I order or am given. The word "intrusion" is a little strong.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Rodj Blake Greetings Idmei Sver, I note with some concern that operatives from your organisation appear to have entered one of my hangars without authorisation and placed goods there. I consider this to be unacceptable. If you'd like, operatives from my organization could help clean up all that awful hangar clutter.
3ll3 Gallente Tranquillity Nation	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:28:00 - [25] You know Mr Blake, it makes me wonder if you have some thing to hide? Any secret Skeletons in your Cupboard you want to tell us about my good Sir?
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:45:00 - [26] Hmp. All discussion of Jovian superiority or lack thereof aside, this still fits under the heading, "Base Ingratitude Defined." PRETA is now recruiting!
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 08/05/2008 20:02:37 Originally by: Chani Miranor Add my "gift" to the return / destruction queue as well admiral. This was an unwanted intrusion on my private hangars. I would like to extend my offer you to as well pilot Miranor. PRETA is now recruiting.
Fox Vulcan Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:02:00 - [28] Captain Jenneth, I wholeheartedly agree. **************************** "For Honour and Glory."
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:43:00 - [29] While I doubt very much that Idmei Sver will be troubled by the carping of Blake, Kador and others of their ilk, I will say that the pilots of the Star Fraction, along with many others we have spoken to, are delighted with this gift, and in no way disturbed by the manner of its delivery or the inferences that may be drawn from it. The pilots of the Star Fraction recognise that the road is long and will have many a twist and turn but eventually we hope to not only stand with those who gave us this gift but eventually surpass their present state of development. If they are still with us and advancing at the time, so much the better. If they are unable to advance, for whatever reason, we shall treat them and their memory with the due respect. Capsuleers, no matter their professed loyalities, benefit from the freely released gift of capsule technology and the activities of the SoCT, which despite the remarks of Blake is pretty clearly an organisation retaining the most intimate links with the Jove Empire. All capsuleers who wish to maximise their potential use SoCT learning techniques and advanced skillbook technology. If one is concerned about the placement of a ship in a physical space, then one should be doubly paranoid about the insertion of unknown memes in the mind space by means of technology freely-used but not entirely understood. The Star Fraction realise that the physical realm and the realm of the mind are both potentially vulnerable to intrusion, disturbance and surveillance. The answer to these threats is vigilance and free fellowship û not paranoia and isolation. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Shiaari Amarr Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Well Rodj, they did utterly wiped out a full Amarrian fleet with only a few ships on their side. They are certainly more powerful and advanced than the Empire ever was. For the sake of truth, I should correct this hyperbole. What the Jovian Directorate encountered at Vak'Atioth was actually a rather small detachment of the Imperial Navy, such were the circumstances behind the engagement. For those who disbelieve the battle occurred, it is a well recorded event, one that gave birth to the Republic and shook our culture into being more diplomatic. I believe Vak'Atioth to have been beneficial to everyone, truthfully: It spared the Federation and Empire an impending war, freed billions of oppressed and abused slaves, and brought the Empire to terms with the rest of the galaxy which opened its vast population as a collective market place for the rest of New Eden. The Jovians, love them, fear them, or hate them, never-the-less display staggering foresight. Though, I do share Blake's unsettling opinion of someone being able to track where my clones are, and then having open access to my hangar. I appreciate the shuttle, SOCT, truly... but in the future you could be less... arbitrary about it.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.09 01:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Gaius Kador Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Rodj Blake Firstly, there is more to being advanced than having the biggest guns. Thanks to them you are now able to sit in a pod. We curse them for their 'gift'. Wherever I come across one of these abominable creations, I will purge it with divine fury. I have never been this insulted before. You must feel terrible knowing that you're too weak to give up the immortality you've been given by such an inferior race, one that could have easily not given you the technology, allowing you to be crushed by those of us not burdened by such backward religious tripe. You claim to curse them for the gift but I have little doubt that you would reject it if given the chance, as you know doing so is your downfall.
Marcel Rhodes Gallente Raptus Regaliter Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.09 01:46:00 - [32] Okay, so having waded through this discussion and the assosciated cool digressions, I think all I need to say is: Don't knock free stuff. It is, after all, free. ------- "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance." -Socrates
Jay Marshall	Posted - 2008.05.09 02:40:00 - [33] Its a nice ship. It will look good in the hanger with all the other ships in my collection. Can't wait for thier next gift. Anyone out there don't want thiers? Send it my way. Don't mind having a collection of them at all for future useage, like an Apotheois conga line around a stargate.
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.05.09 06:08:00 - [34] What a bunch of stuffy****gots.
Vlad Konstantinov Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.09 10:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Marcel Rhodes Don't knock free stuff. It is, after all, free. I pity the fool who believes this to be true. ---
Theus Behnira Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not just technology that's important but also many other things such as culture, heritage, the arts, spirituality, and wisdom. Mr. Blake. You seem to imply that your own culture is superior to the Jove in most, if not all of the above ways. Given what precious little information we have on the Jove, how have you come to the conclusion that their culture is inferior to yours? That their heritage lacks the deep meaning that you attribute to your own? That their art is less beautiful and thought-provoking than what you'd see in an Imperial Museum? Given that the Jovian Empire chooses to hide so much of itself from us, I find your claims of superiority to be, if I may be frank, rather presumptuous. As for the arguably condescending message that was delivered with these gifts, I think we could excuse the Jove if they were to believe themselves to be our betters. Ignoring the technological issue entirely, the Jove appear to place great importance on the gathering of information, yes? Given that we still know so little about them, and the fact that they know so much about us (enough to pinpoint the exact location of every clone of every capsuleer in the cluster), it would naturally follow that their mindset would lead them towards the conclusion that they are naturally "superior" to us. That is just my 0.02 ISK. -T. Behnira
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Theus Behnira Originally by: Rodj Blake It's not just technology that's important but also many other things such as culture, heritage, the arts, spirituality, and wisdom. Mr. Blake. You seem to imply that your own culture is superior to the Jove in most, if not all of the above ways. Given what precious little information we have on the Jove, how have you come to the conclusion that their culture is inferior to yours? That their heritage lacks the deep meaning that you attribute to your own? That their art is less beautiful and thought-provoking than what you'd see in an Imperial Museum? Given that the Jovian Empire chooses to hide so much of itself from us, I find your claims of superiority to be, if I may be frank, rather presumptuous. As for the arguably condescending message that was delivered with these gifts, I think we could excuse the Jove if they were to believe themselves to be our betters. Ignoring the technological issue entirely, the Jove appear to place great importance on the gathering of information, yes? Given that we still know so little about them, and the fact that they know so much about us (enough to pinpoint the exact location of every clone of every capsuleer in the cluster), it would naturally follow that their mindset would lead them towards the conclusion that they are naturally "superior" to us. That is just my 0.02 ISK. -T. Behnira Do you consider the Jovians to be generally superior to you? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.09 13:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Rodj Blake Do you consider the Jovians to be generally superior to you? I personally consider the Jove to be superior to most of mankind, even the Sani Sabik. This means a lot coming from a Sani Sabik Elder like myself, to consider a race or culture not my own to be superior above all else. In fact, it's House Nosferatu's goal to one day walk among the stars as their equals or even surpase them, although not neceserally through genetic engineering. I generally prefer eugenics and continued personal psysical and mental training in order to eventually become a transhuman god, as basicly the Jove are today. Perhaps it's not our destiny to meet God one day, but to make him.
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu I personally consider the Jove to be superior to most of mankind, even the Sani Sabik. This means a lot coming from a Sani Sabik Elder like myself, to consider a race or culture not my own to be superior above all else. In fact, it's House Nosferatu's goal to one day walk among the stars as their equals or even surpase them, although not neceserally through genetic engineering. I generally prefer eugenics and continued personal psysical and mental training in order to eventually become a transhuman god, as basicly the Jove are today. Perhaps it's not our destiny to meet God one day, but to make him. Who died and made you an "Elder" you obsequious mongrel? A true follower of Sani Sabik bows to the agents of no Empire, Jove or otherwise. To aspire to the fate of the demonic Jove is to strive for failure. Technology aside, the Jove are just as ignorant as the rest of the galaxy. Somebody should put a muzzle on you before you start sounding too much like that trollop Neferis.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.10 06:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Ravin Abai Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu I personally consider the Jove to be superior to most of mankind, even the Sani Sabik. This means a lot coming from a Sani Sabik Elder like myself, to consider a race or culture not my own to be superior above all else. In fact, it's House Nosferatu's goal to one day walk among the stars as their equals or even surpase them, although not neceserally through genetic engineering. I generally prefer eugenics and continued personal psysical and mental training in order to eventually become a transhuman god, as basicly the Jove are today. Perhaps it's not our destiny to meet God one day, but to make him. Who died and made you an "Elder" you obsequious mongrel? A true follower of Sani Sabik bows to the agents of no Empire, Jove or otherwise. To aspire to the fate of the demonic Jove is to strive for failure. Technology aside, the Jove are just as ignorant as the rest of the galaxy. Somebody should put a muzzle on you before you start sounding too much like that trollop Neferis. Oh I see. . . ----
Theus Behnira Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Rodj Blake Do you consider the Jovians to be generally superior to you? I think itÆs very difficult to define what, exactly, would make one person or culture ôgenerally superiorö to another. One culture may claim that individual wisdom and understanding holds the greatest importance. Another may claim that military might is of much greater value. Ultimately, IÆd say that it is rather short-sighted to claim that any one culture is ôgenerally superiorö to another, as each and every culture would have their own strengths and weaknesses. Who are we to say that one particular merit or achievement holds more or less value over another? That said, even with our limited insight into the workings of the Jovian Empire, I personally find it hard not to feel humbled by what I see. Their intellectual and technological understanding is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a step above anything that the other four empires can claim to have achieved. More than that, I personally believe they have shown great wisdom in remaining so distant from the rest of us. Given the chaos and catastrophic bloodshed that has enveloped the empires in recent times, I think it would be in the JovianÆs best interest to remain detached from the other empires, lest they allow our prolific problems to spread to their doorstep. One could even go so far as to claim that these ôJovian Devilsö show moral superiority over the rest of us. Aside from a few rogue elements, I donÆt believe the Jovian Empire as a whole has ever shown so much as a hint of aggression to us. So, to answer your question Mr. Blake, with the limited information available to me, I suspect that the Jovian Empire could easily be considered to be ôgenerally superiorö to the cultures which I am currently a part of. But that would entirely depend on whether or not one would place the greatest value on technological progress, intellectual superiority, and notable displays of wisdom and morality. -T. Behnira
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.10 12:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Ravin Abai Who died and made you an "Elder" you obsequious mongrel? A true follower of Sani Sabik bows to the agents of no Empire, Jove or otherwise. To aspire to the fate of the demonic Jove is to strive for failure. Technology aside, the Jove are just as ignorant as the rest of the galaxy. I've earned the title by being one of the earliest influential Sani Sabik followers of the capsuleer community, among other Elders like Myadra, Hira'razhir, Cyshade and Mebrithiel Ju'wien. What grants you the right to say what constitutes being a true Sani Sabik follower, I was breathing and living Sani Sabik before you even set foot in a pod, ignorant child. Nobody has even heard of you, you have done nothing of importance to further the Sani Sabik supremacy. I suggest you take a few history lessons and find out who you are talking to and why I'm a Sani Sabik Elder and you are just a lowly grunt.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.10 14:22:00 - [43] Originally by: The Cosmopolite While I doubt very much that Idmei Sver will be troubled by the carping of Blake, Kador and others of their ilk, I will say that the pilots of the Star Fraction, along with many others we have spoken to, are delighted with this gift, and in no way disturbed by the manner of its delivery or the inferences that may be drawn from it. The pilots of the Star Fraction recognise that the road is long and will have many a twist and turn but eventually we hope to not only stand with those who gave us this gift but eventually surpass their present state of development. If they are still with us and advancing at the time, so much the better. If they are unable to advance, for whatever reason, we shall treat them and their memory with the due respect. Capsuleers, no matter their professed loyalities, benefit from the freely released gift of capsule technology and the activities of the SoCT, which despite the remarks of Blake is pretty clearly an organisation retaining the most intimate links with the Jove Empire. All capsuleers who wish to maximise their potential use SoCT learning techniques and advanced skillbook technology. If one is concerned about the placement of a ship in a physical space, then one should be doubly paranoid about the insertion of unknown memes in the mind space by means of technology freely-used but not entirely understood. The Star Fraction realise that the physical realm and the realm of the mind are both potentially vulnerable to intrusion, disturbance and surveillance. The answer to these threats is vigilance and free fellowship û not paranoia and isolation. The Cosmopolite I find myself agreeing with the mad midget herding Amarrian on this one, if not in fewer words. In total, Veto Corp have managed to secure a little over 150 of these vessels since their release to the capsuleer community. While some will be preserved for posterity, many of them (over 100) are being intricately examined, stripped down and dissected by our technical team to see if any of the technologly on board is useful and open to reverse engineering and modification. Interesting times lie ahead. \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.05.12 15:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Ravin Abai Who died and made you an "Elder" you obsequious mongrel? A true follower of Sani Sabik bows to the agents of no Empire, Jove or otherwise. To aspire to the fate of the demonic Jove is to strive for failure. Technology aside, the Jove are just as ignorant as the rest of the galaxy. I've earned the title by being one of the earliest influential Sani Sabik followers of the capsuleer community, among other Elders like Myadra, Hira'razhir, Cyshade and Mebrithiel Ju'wien. What grants you the right to say what constitutes being a true Sani Sabik follower, I was breathing and living Sani Sabik before you even set foot in a pod, ignorant child. Nobody has even heard of you, you have done nothing of importance to further the Sani Sabik supremacy. I suggest you take a few history lessons and find out who you are talking to and why I'm a Sani Sabik Elder and you are just a lowly grunt. I'll talk to you however I want, you filthy Matari dog. You simply saw a bandwagon forming and jumped onto it. Your slavish devotion to the pretender Neferis marks you for the worm you really are. If you want to prove me wrong, feel free to do so in space. I don't care how many dirtsiders you've killed or what corporations you were in, all I've seen from you are a host of delusional boasts and fawning over the so-called achievements of a heretical sect of misfits unfit of even uttering the airs they pretend to.
Astarte Nosferatu Minmatar Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.14 18:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Ravin Abai You simply saw a bandwagon forming and jumped onto it. Your slavish devotion to the pretender Neferis marks you for the worm you really are. If you want to prove me wrong, feel free to do so in space. What bandwagon? Slavish devotion? You really have no idea who I am, do you? I'm one of the original Sani Sabik capsuleers, if anything I was part of the creation of 'the bandwagon' rather than have jumped on it.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 18:50:00 - [46] Well now... this should be entertaining... To Rodj Blake: You're free to be insulted I suppose, but if I were you I'd at least let the paranoia drop for a second. There is such a thing as a free gift given in goodwill. I see no reason to suspect any sinister plot to monitor us. Even if one does exist, the Jove appear to value information for the sake of information, I strongly doubt that they'll actually do anything with it. Hell, they've adequately demonstrated that they can monitor us well enough without having to bug our hangars, just in delivering these gifts. I intend to take this gift in the spirit of goodwill in which it is given, and encourage you to do the same. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

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