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Clint Beastwood UK Space Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:11:00 - [1] Hello, Would'nt it be great if you could sit in your covops cloaked, watching the enemy on a gate and listen in to their communications? This would only be possible in a covops, and would use a new module for the hi-slot called a listening device, or something... This skill and the accompanying module, would be chance based just like scan probes, and its effectiveness would increase in proportion to skill level. Also you would have an increased chance of intercepting a communication, the closer you are to a target. Ie, if you at 2000 metres from the enemy you have a better chance than if you were at 70k. However, you would also be at a greater risk of being de-cloaked and discovered. Should you get a hit and be sucessful in picking up enemy communcations, this would display the chat to and from whoever your device is focussed on. Imagine being able to learn emeny locations, plans, loadouts, who's flying what ship etc... This would open up and broaden the whole covops business, into more of an inteligence gathering role. Presumably certain methods would be developed by protagonists to limit their exposure to this practice, but all sides in a war would be able to covertly eavesdrop and gain crucial inteligence on each other. What do you think? Bad idea or worth development..?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:19:00 - [2] Anything that promts an increasing need to metagame is bad. Giving a way to "listen to" chat will just give ample reasons for people to migrate to out-of-game communication methods. Nice idea, and it would work wonderfully if the game would have been real-life. But as long as one can just fire up ventrilo/teamspeak/IRC to be 100% safe from "eavesdropping" skills... bad idea. Sorry. __ CSM candidates - quick reference cards Don't be a social moron, read and vote after you decide !
Clint Beastwood UK Space Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:24:00 - [3] Im sorry to have to say it, but you are dead right..? Might not be a reason to abosolutely discount it, but it could have some utility. Not everyone uses vent etc all the time. But yes, you have picked the fatal flaw in my post, thanks..! Clint.
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.08 17:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Clint Beastwood Might not be a reason to abosolutely discount it, but it could have some utility. Not everyone uses vent etc all the time. No, but you can be damn sure that the people worth listening to would do
Sense Offender Gallente Deathly Hallows	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:53:00 - [5] I can only imagine the vile things people would start saying in their conversations, with the sole intent of hoping that they would be heard... lol
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:43:00 - [6] haha, would be worth it just to catch some high sec carebear while he was cybering, then blackmail him for billions. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:46:00 - [7] And people tend to speak privately to each other about private things i.e. things pertaining to their personal life, I mean sure its a game not a chat room, but there are still people (like me) that use eve to keep in touch with family and friends... yes there are people that do that.
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:00:00 - [8] Ha! I got a bug in 2003 where I was logged into another corps corp channel - could see them speaking \| who joined etc... only problem was that they where a friendly corp [alliance before the alliace existed ingame ]and not the ememies we where stalking ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve 5th Anniversary Lottery
Slagie	Posted - 2008.05.09 17:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Slagie on 09/05/2008 17:16:01 that is an interresting idea...how bout if there was a way to scramble or jam the chat chanels...say one person jumps in to a system turns on the jamming mod which would disrupt everyone in that systems lets say local chat so they can talk in local or see whos in local...that would would make a great tool for fleet ops, woundlt let the the other side see how many people are in the system so they dont what size force to bring in. maybe if your in a fleet with the person thats jammnig you can still see the chat? idk just a thought.
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.05.09 20:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Constance Harme on 09/05/2008 20:56:58 Originally by: Slagie Edited by: Slagie on 09/05/2008 17:16:01 that is an interresting idea...how bout if there was a way to scramble or jam the chat chanels...say one person jumps in to a system turns on the jamming mod which would disrupt everyone in that systems lets say local chat so they can talk in local or see whos in local...that would would make a great tool for fleet ops, woundlt let the the other side see how many people are in the system so they dont what size force to bring in. maybe if your in a fleet with the person thats jammnig you can still see the chat? idk just a thought. I'd prefer it to jam personal and corp channels, almost everyone I know doesnt use local in 0.4 and lower so forcing them to use local would be interesting.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.10 01:00:00 - [11] Yea, because making a group chat is really hard.
Slagie	Posted - 2008.05.10 02:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Constance Harme Edited by: Constance Harme on 09/05/2008 20:56:58 Originally by: Slagie Edited by: Slagie on 09/05/2008 17:16:01 that is an interresting idea...how bout if there was a way to scramble or jam the chat chanels...say one person jumps in to a system turns on the jamming mod which would disrupt everyone in that systems lets say local chat so they can talk in local or see whos in local...that would would make a great tool for fleet ops, woundlt let the the other side see how many people are in the system so they dont what size force to bring in. maybe if your in a fleet with the person thats jammnig you can still see the chat? idk just a thought. I'd prefer it to jam personal and corp channels, almost everyone I know doesnt use local in 0.4 and lower so forcing them to use local would be interesting. that would be good to...maybe all chat in that system is jammed? i was think more along the lines of hiding your movements in the system...if people cant see whos in local they dont really have a good idea of how big a force is. jamming personal/corp/fleet/ w/e would be cool too
b1zz	Posted - 2008.05.10 05:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Slagie that would be good to...maybe all chat in that system is jammed? i was think more along the lines of hiding your movements in the system...if people cant see whos in local they dont really have a good idea of how big a force is. jamming personal/corp/fleet/ w/e would be cool too Yes to this idea. One skill to remove your presence from local. Another skill to give you the ability to hide others who aren't stealthed from local ie. your fleet comrades. Skills: System Communications Jamming System Communication Control System Communication Fortification
Slagie	Posted - 2008.05.10 17:17:00 - [14] Originally by: b1zz Originally by: Slagie that would be good to...maybe all chat in that system is jammed? i was think more along the lines of hiding your movements in the system...if people cant see whos in local they dont really have a good idea of how big a force is. jamming personal/corp/fleet/ w/e would be cool too Yes to this idea. One skill to remove your presence from local. Another skill to give you the ability to hide others who aren't stealthed from local ie. your fleet comrades. Skills: System Communications Jamming System Communication Control System Communication Fortification those would be sweet skills hehe
Strak Yogorn Amarr Mind Warpers	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:25:00 - [15] imho we dont need more "mandatory" skills, it would just be something everyone had to train, much like learning etc.
Ortos Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:57:00 - [16] Skill? No, no skills recuired. But the listening device?! OMG YES! Tactically it would probably be ****e, but if you added in functionality as spying on "set destinations", "called target" and such aswell i'd make a very worthwhile investment. In some groups beeing able to see who's the fleet booster would be worth it aswell. Killing off the guy with the 10% shield, armor, targetting range, locktime and speed bonus would sure be worthwhile.
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:59:00 - [17] Edited by: z0de on 10/05/2008 20:01:31 No thanks, I use the the chat for fun as much as 'serious' in game stuff. If you start stopping me from talking to friends or try to listen in on my most recent pub venture, I'll just be forced to play windowed mode with irc. All important stuff happens on vent or teamspeak anyway as it does for most half decent corps. Originally by: Ortos but if you added in functionality as spying on "set destinations", "called target" and such aswell i'd make a very worthwhile investment. In some groups beeing able to see who's the fleet booster would be worth it aswell. Killing off the guy with the 10% shield, armor, targetting range, locktime and speed bonus would sure be worthwhile. This however would be limited to ingame stuff and could be very useful.
Kusha'an Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.	Posted - 2008.05.13 03:28:00 - [18] What kind of strain would this put on the server? ---- What part of "shorn't" do you not understand?

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