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Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:08:00 - [1] It's well know to some of us of the relationship between CVA and Tyrrax Thorrk. See this topic: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=766622 Do not vote Hardin !
Maltor'Vak Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:15:00 - [2] Junk. It is well known that CVA and IAC have had been on good terms for a long time. Whether it was TT or any other leader for IAC at the time, CVA and IAC have been allies...Thanks for stating the obvious. ___________________________________
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:18:00 - [3] 56 billion ISK is not junk
Maltor'Vak Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:21:00 - [4] True more like pocket change. ___________________________________
Hardin Amarr Crimson-Jihad Critical Dissent	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Hardin on 08/05/2008 19:32:52 Yes, I am closely connected to the GHSC - which is why Tyrrax said he was voting for Jade yesterday As far as I am aware IAC and GHSC/Tyrrax is no longer on good terms - yet yesterday CVA was assisting IAC in Catch. Also as far as I know Tyrrax is on the CVA KOS list now So you really need to go get some new intelligence Mr Alt That said, being unveiled as the mastermind behind the Guiding Hand Social Club may actually win me votes, so feel free to tell everyone you know This thread made my day ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:30:00 - [6] As anyone who has played Eve Online for more than a couple of years will know, Tyrrax Thorrk was actually quite a prominent roleplayer before he went into the infiltration, corp theft business and self-publicity business. Its not exactly devastating drama bomb to point out that a person playing an Amarrian loyalist business tycoon should have connections to a another player playing an Amarrian loyalist. Tyrrax has connections to a great many people in the game of Eve but that is very different from claiming those people had an intimate knowledge of his aims, intentions and ultimate behaviour. Further, I think its absolutely poor to link a players IC choices/associations to the notion of how well he can (or can't) function as an OOC community representative as part of the CSM body. Suffice to say that whatever I might think of Hardin' ability in the CSM role it won't be impacted + or - by the knowledge that he has an in-game friendship with Tyrrax Thorrk. We really don't need stupid alts making up scurrilous stories in this campaign. CSM Election Manifesto 2008
Maltor'Vak Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:39:00 - [7] I think Hardin is quite safe even with this totally preposterous alt posting this childish drivel during the voting process. Hardin, and you to Jade, are being judged on past contributions to Eve and your very own platforms. This is a post that will be long gone after thought, soon enough. ___________________________________
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:39:00 - [8] Hmm Hardin, did you also have something to do with the GHSC being employed to kill my character? Ah well it wasn't that bad, fortunately. --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
Hardin Amarr Crimson-Jihad Critical Dissent	Posted - 2008.05.08 19:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Hmm Hardin, did you also have something to do with the GHSC being employed to kill my character? Ah well it wasn't that bad, fortunately. Erm you really dont believe the alt do you? ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:22:00 - [10] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 08/05/2008 20:24:58 Alt? It was someone from GHSC that went after me and managed to get my frozen corpse, grr. --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:36:00 - [11] LOL. Mud slinging, intrigue and assassinations (well, sort of), like in RL democracies. Truly a sandbox game. - Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 08/05/2008 20:24:58 Alt? It was someone from GHSC that went after me and managed to get my frozen corpse, grr. Just move into a newbie corp oh wai
Adrielle Firewalker Minmatar WASTELAND MINERS Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 08/05/2008 20:24:58 Alt? It was someone from GHSC that went after me and managed to get my frozen corpse, grr. No, he means the alt that posted this thread... ================ ~Adrielle Original MinmatarT
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Hardin Yes, I am closely connected to the GHSC - which is why Tyrrax said he was voting for Jade yesterday I never said that and I would never vote for Jade, I voted for Omber Zombie ! You should really check your facts before posting such hurtful things about people ;\ I'm booting you from GH-SC now.
Hardin Amarr Crimson-Jihad Critical Dissent	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:00:00 - [15] Sorry Tyrrax - it was Omber - please let me back in... Puulllleeeeeease ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:09:00 - [16] This is no character assasination, it is the truth. As Jade already said, CVA and Hardin and Tyrrax have had a relationship for years. The channels they share, the assets exchanged including 56 billion ISK for contracts for the GHSC paid by a wealthy member of CVA. Only a simpleton would be Hardin and CVA were ignorant of Tyrrax's other activities. Even if Hardin claims ignorance, it is a damning indictment of his incompetence. But we all know Hardin is not stupid, and so no, he cannot claim ignorance. Fellow CSM voters, I am only revealing the truth -- a devoius and deceitful side of Hardin many people already know. DO _NOT_ vote Hardin.
Hardin Amarr The Dark Guards	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:18:00 - [17] Yep quite right Mr. Alt I am known for my deviousness. That's why people let me into their corps, make me CEO and give me access to all their assets on a regular basis as part of my alliance creation service. Of course I don't actually rob them because then my GHSC cover would be blown! Just for the record I have no idea about this 56 billion you keep wittering on about (but have yet to present any evidence of) nor did I know Tyrrax was a member of GHSC until the whole drama bomb on CAOD a few weeks back. Maybe that makes me innocently naive but that's the truth - unlike the stuff you are peddling ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:38:00 - [18] Uh, the 56 billion was actually from a member of Morsus Mihi. Not quite clear you why think that has something to do with Jade, Hardin or CVA...
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:13:00 - [19] My thoughts? The OP is, in fact, a GHSC alt. C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.08 22:32:00 - [20] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Fellow CSM voters, I am only revealing the truth -- a devoius and deceitful side of Hardin many people already know. DO _NOT_ vote Hardin. Your claims get more outrageous by the minute, I'm not going to take you serious unless you provide hard evidence to back them up, and neither should anyone else. --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
Gurista Rabbit	Posted - 2008.05.09 00:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Cailais My thoughts? The OP is, in fact, a GHSC alt. C. Probably hired by one of the other CSM Candidates.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.09 00:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Fellow CSM voters, I am only revealing the truth -- a devoius and deceitful side of Hardin many people already know. DO _NOT_ vote Hardin. Your claims get more outrageous by the minute, I'm not going to take you serious unless you provide hard evidence to back them up, and neither should anyone else. A little something about nothing, you've spellt your own name wrong in the banner, not that I blame you, who can keep track of all those cyllibels? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.09 02:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I never said that and I would never vote for Jade, I voted for Omber Zombie ! woot \o/ i got a vote ---------------------- CSM 08 Blog \| 1st Campaign Vid
AmTek Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.09 05:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Omber Zombie woot \o/ i got a vote Yeah, but you may want to wash it a bit if you want to use it! lol
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.09 06:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Fellow CSM voters, I am only revealing the truth -- a devoius and deceitful side of Hardin many people already know. DO _NOT_ vote Hardin. Your claims get more outrageous by the minute, I'm not going to take you serious unless you provide hard evidence to back them up, and neither should anyone else. A little something about nothing, you've spellt your own name wrong in the banner, not that I blame you, who can keep track of all those cyllibels? I did not make that banner. Thanks for notifying me. I think I just found a target for the GHSC --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. Click the banner to watch the campaign movie.
zoolkhan Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.05.09 08:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Jade Constantine We really don't need stupid alts making up scurrilous stories in this campaign. /signed recruiting -forum
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.09 11:43:00 - [27] So, Hardin is a member of GH-SC and he had Ank podded. Sounds like an attempt to gain more votes to me.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.09 12:13:00 - [28] I already voted and not for Hardin however I dont see how membership in the GHSC makes anyone a bad representative, the GHSC have proved their ingenuity and ability to think ahead repeatedly and those are in-game in-character actions. These qualities are excellent in an elected representative and of course all humans have their own agendas so what makes a GHSC member worse than player A or player B? Either way, and member or not, good luck Hardin! ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.09 16:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Hardin Maybe that makes me innocently naive but that's the truth - unlike the stuff you are peddling Claiming willful ignorance or stupidity will not garner you votes. Tyrrax's connections to GHSC was well-known publically.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:25:00 - [30] I don't think any capital ships at all, they were much cheaper from within IAC, and being filthy rich and all I was usually too impatient not to just get them off contract when my alliance mates didn't have any in stock for me. I did get a few Zealots from CVA producers, but to be fair they had no clue that I was a member of the Guiding Hand, if they had known the relations between IAC and CVA wouldn't have been nearly as friendly as they were and still are. Hardin never had anything to do with anything CVA sold to me though, so not sure what little hardware they sold to me at discount has to do with anything.
Navtiqes Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:06:00 - [31] Don't disturb my chosen candidate or I will hunt you down and die on your hull.
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.10 21:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Navtiqes Don't disturb my chosen candidate or I will hunt you down and die on your hull. You are welcome to die on my hull. Anyway, more and more details about Hardin's unethical behavior are coming out every day. Does anyone really know this guy? For swing voters who may consider Hardin, you may want to think about what new information/surprises may be revealed about your candidate. The CSM should not have naive or unethical persons representing us. Hardin: Wrong for CSM, the wrong choice for you.
Navtiqes Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:13:00 - [33] The way I see it, there's only two types of candidates: There's those that will be an active CSM and those that won't. Pick one that talks (and you like) and we're all good to go. Their personal opinions, hobbies, underwear - it makes no difference. As long as they show up at a total of 2 CSM meetings at CCP, they've done their job. The rest is details and extremely unlikely to make any difference at all as to what changes happen in Eve for us.
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Navtiqes The way I see it, there's only two types of candidates: There's those that will be an active CSM and those that won't. Pick one that talks (and you like) and we're all good to go. Their personal opinions, hobbies, underwear - it makes no difference. As long as they show up at a total of 2 CSM meetings at CCP, they've done their job. The rest is details and extremely unlikely to make any difference at all as to what changes happen in Eve for us. I'm glad your standards are so high. Anyone But Hardin To Be Honest [ABH TBH]
Cribb Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:33:00 - [35] ooooooh dirt!! When do we get to see the intimate pic's of Hardin and Tyrrax Thorrk. Together on there own tropical planet ?? I think it would be hard for GH-SC to actually do something harmfull in the CSM. But hey .... it's eve! ------- When in doubt, play loud
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:59:00 - [36] Originally by: Cribb ooooooh dirt!! When do we get to see the intimate pic's of Hardin and Tyrrax Thorrk. Together on there own tropical planet ?? I think it would be hard for GH-SC to actually do something harmfull in the CSM. But hey .... it's eve! You cannot get any closer in internet spaceships than Haesin And Tyrrax -- no picts required. Wasn't the stolen mothership transferred in Misaba (CVA space) at Tyrrax's request?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 20:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Wasn't the stolen mothership transferred in Misaba (CVA space) at Tyrrax's request? The really interesting thing coming through this thread is that you have a lot more information concerning Tyrrax, various thefts, and GHSC than anybody in the CVA to be honest. Throw in a few vague accusations with absolutely no proof at all, and you could make the exact same smear campaign against any candidate of your choosing. 'Tis interesting why you chose Hardin. Which of his views on the game bother you so much? Or was it something CVA did in-game? In which case "calm down" applies beautifully...
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 12/05/2008 22:13:41 CVA are rubbish, but that's a topic for another forum. The point of this topic is to inform everyone on Hardin's unethicalness/naivety. These huge character flaws are only side of why one should not vote for Hardin. Hardin is also terribly wrong on several issues, information on which can be easily found in other topics. He's wrong on local, wrong on suicide ganking, and generally WRONG on almost every aspect of his understanding Eve. Clueless would be a good word to describe Hardin. ANYONE BUT HARDIN
Jack Brazen Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 12/05/2008 22:13:41 CVA are rubbish, but that's a topic for another forum. The point of this topic is to inform everyone on Hardin's unethicalness/naivety. These huge character flaws are only side of why one should not vote for Hardin. Hardin is also terribly wrong on several issues, information on which can be easily found in other topics. He's wrong on local, wrong on suicide ganking, and generally WRONG on almost every aspect of his understanding Eve. Clueless would be a good word to describe Hardin. ANYONE BUT HARDIN The more you post, the more certain I become that I made the right choice to vote for him. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:11:00 - [40] Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 12/05/2008 23:11:51 Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 12/05/2008 22:10:27 It's well know to some of us of the relationship between CVA and Tyrrax Thorrk. See this topic: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=766622 Do not vote Hardin ! 1. Post with your main 2. Provide evidence instead of spouting rubbish Edit: Wait, is this reverse psychology you're playing at? San Matari Official forums
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 23:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris These huge character flaws are only side of why one should not vote for Hardin. Character flaws? You know what? I'm gonna step into your imaginary world for a minute, where Hardin is in any way associated with GHSC. For hypotheticals, I'm perfectly willing to accept anything is possible. I've been accused of being a Jade Constantine alt, after all. So what? Serious question. What is unethical behavior? Is working within the prime fiction of Eve, and within the cut-throat environment CCP themselves have created unethical? Do you consider piracy unethical? How about anarcho-revolutionaries? What in-game behavior constitutes "unethical?" Why is it even an issue for CSM if a candidate has GHSC ties? If I had more than one vote to give, I'd be throwing one Jade's way because whether I agree with his views on the game or not, I think he has an important perspective on the way. I don't take into account in-game actions. The fact that he plays what could be considered (oh god I'm begging for a de-rail) an anarchist, and a violent one at that, has nothing at all to do with how he might perform on the CSM. Neither does being a member of an organization that has caused some of the best in-character drama in the game. Okay. Stepping out of that fiction now. I'd be interested in some full disclosure. Hardin now stakes the reputation of his main in-character avatar on an out-of-game function. He also, by proxy, stakes the reputation of the CVA. I do wonder if you might have similar fortitude and post with your main, as well as your main's grievances against CVA? That might be the most base foundation to at least lend some credence to your slander.
Hardin Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.05.13 04:54:00 - [42] Garreck, Don't even bother arguing with this eejit. He has so far not produced a single shred of evidence and where he has stated 'facts' the people involved have come forward and pointed out that he is wrong. He is plainly a bitter person. IF we knew his main we would find out what he was bitter about ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.13 05:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Hardin Don't even bother arguing with this eejit. Oh, but it was good. You know it was good. Felt good, too.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:08:00 - [44] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 13/05/2008 15:12:00 I didn't transfer either one of Wyverns in Misaba and indeed neither one was ever there. (two jumps away yes) As for CVA being rubbish, i don't think anyone with half a clue would agree with you there. They've been going strong for years now and as far as I can tell they're quite respected by enemies, friends and random strangers alike. I haven't researched Hardin's opinions on various issues, but he is well known to be completely trustworthy and honorable as a middleman and businessman, so dunno about terrible character flaws..
Jack Brazen Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:28:00 - [45] When I voted for Hardin (as soon as the vote was up), I did so because of his view of the CSM. The way I see it, if its just a big PR stunt by CCP, then Hardin will be up front about it (I don't see someone as established and generally respected as him doing this for attention, and playing along with some PR gimmick... unlike quite a few other candidates), and if it is indeed something that will work as proposed, then Hardin seems to be the candidate most likely to care mainly about the overall game, and not some pet issues. Frankly, that's all that matters to me, and nothing a coward hiding behind an alt says will change my views on the man. ----- In EVE - never bring a knife to a knife-fight.
Bartholomeus Crane	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:29:00 - [46] Give it up Hardin, this joke has gone on long enough ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Hardin Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:43:00 - [47] It really isn't me... I don't play this game using alts and I don't play the forums like that either. The guy posting this nonsense has also crossposted it with attacks on CVA in Intergalactic Summit - so it seems as if he has a bit of an axe to wield. Anyway thanks for the character references chaps. If people want to believe I am a dishonest member of the GHSC that is up to them! ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.05.14 01:42:00 - [48] Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 14/05/2008 01:44:55 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 13/05/2008 15:12:00 I didn't transfer either one of Wyverns in Misaba and indeed neither one was ever there. (two jumps away yes) As for CVA being rubbish, i don't think anyone with half a clue would agree with you there. They've been going strong for years now and as far as I can tell they're quite respected by enemies, friends and random strangers alike. I haven't researched Hardin's opinions on various issues, but he is well known to be completely trustworthy and honorable as a middleman and businessman, so dunno about terrible character flaws.. Keep it up, you're doing wonders for my arguments! If anyone had any doubt about Tyrrax and Hardin not being cozy, look no further. PS. Hardin: You can buy all the character references you want, but the truth is out there. You may buy this election, but you'll never buy the truth.
Hardin Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:09:00 - [49] Lol ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
diabolic clone Amarr Anomaly Collective	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:34:00 - [50] Silly. Isn't Jade the one in cahoots with Revan neferis? IAC and CVA have been allies for a long time and I doubt it has anything to do with Hardin being buddies with Tyraxx and, more likely that IAC is the only nearby blues in the surrounding region as just about the whole servers 0.0 entities are hostile to providence. Lay off the boosters they'll rot your brain...
Cribb Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.05.14 09:41:00 - [51] If there are no pictures, it ain't true. We all know pictures don't lie. For op: proof or STFU ------- When in doubt, play loud
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.14 11:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 12/05/2008 23:17:16 Originally by: Ariko Gunaris These huge character flaws are only side of why one should not vote for Hardin. Character flaws? You know what? I'm gonna step into your imaginary world for a minute, where Hardin is in any way associated with GHSC. For hypotheticals, I'm perfectly willing to accept anything is possible. I've been accused of being a Jade Constantine alt, after all. So what? Serious question. What is unethical behavior? Is working within the prime fiction of Eve, and within the cut-throat environment CCP themselves have created unethical? Do you consider piracy unethical? How about anarcho-revolutionaries? What in-game behavior constitutes "unethical?" Why is it even an issue for CSM if a candidate has GHSC ties? If I had more than one vote to give, I'd be throwing one Jade's way because whether I agree with his views on the game or not, I think he has an important perspective on the way the game works, has some sense of personal accountability, and is extremely well articulated. I don't take into account in-game actions. The fact that he plays what could be considered (oh god I'm begging for a de-rail) an anarchist, and a violent one at that, has nothing at all to do with how he might perform on the CSM. Neither does being a member of an organization that has caused some of the best in-character drama in the game. Okay. Stepping out of that fiction now. I'd be interested in some full disclosure. Hardin now stakes the reputation of his main in-character avatar on an out-of-game function. He also, by proxy, stakes the reputation of the CVA. I do wonder if you might have similar fortitude and post with your main, as well as your main's grievances against CVA? That might be the most base foundation to at least lend some credence to your slander. It does sound like Jade though.... But your points are valid. In the 1.5 years now that I have dealt with CVA they have been honorfull, upright and true to their ideals around every turn. On many a occasion they could have handled differently, I would hardly believe that anyone in CVA would allow such a prominent member of their alliance to conduct himself in any other way. Voting Hardin.

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