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notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.09 19:32:00 - [1] I only engage in pvp when it's forced upon me and so don't fly around loaded for bear so to speak. I managed to fly in on top of a pirate who scammed me but did not web me. I locked him and released my hammerhead II's and at same time started up mwd II to escape scram. Pirate was actually down to structure but I suddenly lost my target lock...I was up against an Amarr ship but forgot in the excitement to actually determine the ship type but I figure it was recon or similar due to size of square and use of 5 med drones.. Neway considering the distance at which I lost lock and could not reobtain I was able to warp at that point...I noted when this lock occurred that the red of the pirate ship and its drones became more muted... Considering the distance away when the lock broke I figure he was using either a multispectral jammer or a sensor dampener.. I only had a warp disruptor II and no sensor booster etc. Can some1 confirm or correct my assessment? I figure if I had stayed close in I never would have lost the target lock.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.09 19:47:00 - [2] Maybe you just got out of range? Sensor dampener could reduce your maximum locking range, and an ECM unit could simply break your lock, but since you were MWD'ing away as fast as you could, you might have just gotten too far. Note that if you had warpcore stabilizers fitted, those have the same effect as sensor dampeners and would also have reduced your locking range. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.09 20:01:00 - [3] My head hurts now
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.05.09 20:06:00 - [4] Next time try to take a look at your overview, at the far right, it now shows an icon that identifies the ewar that is done against you by that target. There's a separate icon for jamming, dampening, tracking disrupting, ....
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.09 20:28:00 - [5] Thanks for the info--I could not have been past 30km and have 70km target range with skills but the remote sensor booster sounds like the issue--guess I should have stayed close in. How about the red of the target and drones turning from bright red to a more muted red--does that indicate nething? I will also check the ov if I can remember
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.09 21:07:00 - [6] Who cares? Go away. Join The Muffin Factory
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.09 21:26:00 - [7] The two who responded with non-answers are also pirates and bad pirates at that. The best pirates have high security status not -9 and below
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:19:00 - [8] Originally by: notaway The two who responded with non-answers are also pirates and bad pirates at that. The best pirates have high security status not -9 and below Sec status hasn't got anything to do with it. Also.. Maybe you had a warp core stab fitted? or 2? or 3? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:37:00 - [9] you are trolling wrong, don't jump straight to the "-9s are ****ty pirates" start off with that their parents don't love them and work your way to it
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:44:00 - [10] This business of "a more muted red" -- perhaps you first saw red "+" signs with red boxes around them, and then the red boxes went away when you got into warp... LOL you thought you were doing PVP when you were attacked by NPC rats. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.09 22:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker This business of "a more muted red" -- perhaps you first saw red "+" signs with red boxes around them, and then the red boxes went away when you got into warp... LOL you thought you were doing PVP when you were attacked by NPC rats. if his story is true, that is unlikely due to the fact he missions a lot
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Joe Starbreaker This business of "a more muted red" -- perhaps you first saw red "+" signs with red boxes around them, and then the red boxes went away when you got into warp... LOL you thought you were doing PVP when you were attacked by NPC rats. if his story is true, that is unlikely due to the fact he missions a lot Frankly I don't believe a word of the OP, it's just a silly speculation. Nobody who's actually got any experience in-game would be blathering about "a more muted red", it's preposterous. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Originally by: Aadi Grox Originally by: Joe Starbreaker This business of "a more muted red" -- perhaps you first saw red "+" signs with red boxes around them, and then the red boxes went away when you got into warp... LOL you thought you were doing PVP when you were attacked by NPC rats. if his story is true, that is unlikely due to the fact he missions a lot Frankly I don't believe a word of the OP, it's just a silly speculation. Nobody who's actually got any experience in-game would be blathering about "a more muted red", it's preposterous. it's you, you're preposterous
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.09 23:40:00 - [14] Lona had me going bigtime. THAT'S how to troll. This just made my head hurt and left a mild sense of annoyance at wasted time The -9 bit was almost funny. Almost. And only then because it was so painful to watch. Like the scene in Zoolander where they have to "make up" with each other. Priceless.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:27:00 - [15] You're doing it wrong! ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.10 00:39:00 - [16] why the **** were you running away when you had him in structure Silly bear.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.10 07:11:00 - [17] Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 10/05/2008 07:10:49 Originally by: Aadi Grox it's you, you're preposterous Achura suck! ---------------- [insert signature here]
Pegleg Punk Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Lady Karma why the ** were you running away when you had him in structure Silly bear. Fear the taste of blood! Abort! Run away! Originally by:** Naga Saddow [16:38:06] "i must admit for an ahole ur pretty funny"
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:18:00 - [19] Edited by: notaway on 10/05/2008 08:21:51 LOL --I knew the last would create some noise--I was ratting and so obviously had no wcs's in place... I was in a bc that was well tanked but limited on pvp mods. Yes I could have stayed and to quote the pirate "u could have got me" but I suspected his LEEETLE friends were on the way and we all know pirates prefer to run in packs and gang up on one ship.. (Help bring the carrier--help help} One other thing--story is true and I had only seen use of jammers in missions previously and could typically reacquire target after a few repeated tries but here I could not--and in missions the other ships did not change tone of red.. If I was into pvp I would have had a sensor booster II with appropriate script to counter what the pirate was using-- which I believe had to be the RSD with targeting script based on prior informative answers above. PS--security status does have something to do with it. Good pirates can easily keep their status up whereas the ganking loser pirates can't even seem to rat well enough to do so.
Oirienicsa Gallente BAT Empire	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:48:00 - [20] Sec status has nothing to do with it, ratting to get it back up means wasting valuable time doing mindless thankless tasks in which you could be constructively releasing carebears from their tears and isk.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Oirienicsa Sec status has nothing to do with it, ratting to get it back up means wasting valuable time doing mindless thankless tasks in which you could be constructively releasing carebears from their tears and isk. I can relieve carebears and flashy reds of their isk at the same time. Doubt I'll be able to stay away from -10 for a lot longer though ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Evita Achura Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.10 09:18:00 - [22] Originally by: notaway The two who responded with non-answers are also pirates and bad pirates at that. The best pirates have high security status not -9 and below Please stop by your nearest flashy red and say that to their face. :) Just because two people didn't answer your question doesn't mean you have to insult all of us for being pirates.
Sphynx Stormlord Gallente Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.05.10 10:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Sphynx Stormlord on 10/05/2008 10:56:38 One unusual method of loosing a target lock is actually blowing up the target, which is a possibility if you had him down to structure. It might also mean that his pod, which you would see at that stage, might not show as a blinking red, and just as a solid red. To check this hypothesis, you could look at your combat log on the character screen, and see if there is anything in the kills column.
Sebastian Cawdor The Athiest Syndicate INT0XICATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.10 11:28:00 - [24] Maybe he had jamming drones
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:46:00 - [25] Unfortunately, he was still alive and kicking when I warped. He was using drones but they were not even T2 and OV did not reflect same--also I got initial target lock with no problem when he was close in and he had his drones out well ahead of me (6km or so)and did not lose lock until well into use of the mwd. On security status--ratting bs's in 0.0 results in very quick increases and u ppl with -9 etc cannot even enter high security whereas the good pirates who keep up their status, can go newhere... If I were a pirate I would have +5 all the time and I understand that running 0.0 missions can still result in status above 5 but it rises very slowly.
Orrelious Minmatar The Umbrella Union Fleet	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:54:00 - [26] Originally by: notaway On security status--ratting bs's in 0.0 results in very quick increases and u ppl with -9 etc cannot even enter high security whereas the good pirates who keep up their status, can go newhere... If I were a pirate I would have +5 all the time and I understand that running 0.0 missions can still result in status above 5 but it rises very slowly. Man, you are still a massive noob. Didn't you use to fly about in Heimatar in a stabbed mammoth all the time? After more than a year, you should have figured out how to play the freaking game. Also, your bull**** assumptions about security status serve to make this thread seem even more pointless than it already was.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.11 09:41:00 - [27] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 11/05/2008 09:41:57 Originally by: Belial Tempter My head hurts now You are not the only one. :( I'm calling troll on OP.
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.11 09:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Aadi Grox you are trolling wrong, don't jump straight to the "-9s are ****ty pirates" start off with that their parents don't love them and work your way to it

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