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MrRx7
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:36:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: MrRx7
RZR killboard stats
When you have a coalition of alliances fighting one alliance, the only accurate killboard will be INSRG's.
Example: one of your heavy dictor pilots gets involved in a 100 v 100 fight and secures a place on 50 killmails. PURE/MM/HYDRA/MH get the final blows but it all still counts as a WHOLE KILL on your killboard. But your losses are only your own, not the allies you flew with. So of course, your killboard looks amazing because you flew with many against us.
One kill against INSRG is then duplicated across 10 killboards, making each individual alliance look like they have amazing stats. But its not a reflection of what actually happened.
The INSRG killboard is, being truthful, the most accurate summary of the damage we have inflicted and recieved, across multiple alliances.
Yours might be remotely accurate if you counted more than just a few random systems, like for example using the alliances as a whole rather than just the systems you care about. That do not give a fair account of what was actually lost/killed.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:43:00 -
[92]
Quote: could be cool like bob
Sorry, you'll never be cool like BoB :(
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Destruct
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:45:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Fred0
That's Reisen dude. I love pvp'ers who are so lazy they need pvp within 10 jumps of their mining spots or they whine. A war at home is nice now and then but if there's no action at home you go find it.
Yes yes propaganda - we all love it. And killboard from that time was almost empty. So you say that rzr is full of lazy carebears?
strange, i remeber having lots of fun staging out of reisen and i got on killmails too. wow! and of course we're all carebears. you were too, right? or were you one of just a few really leet pvp'ers in razor that held all the carbears under your arms?
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:50:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Destruct
strange, i remeber having lots of fun staging out of reisen and i got on killmails too. wow! and of course we're all carebears. you were too, right? or were you one of just a few really leet pvp'ers in razor that held all the carbears under your arms?
Reisen you say? I just checked your kill history from when TCF got removed (09.2006) to another alliance op against smash/rk (12.2006)
Oh look - there is 3 month wide hole.
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Cptn Chaos
Terror Formers
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:53:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: MrRx7
RZR killboard stats
When you have a coalition of alliances fighting one alliance, the only accurate killboard will be INSRG's.
Example: one of your heavy dictor pilots gets involved in a 100 v 100 fight and secures a place on 50 killmails. PURE/MM/HYDRA/MH get the final blows but it all still counts as a WHOLE KILL on your killboard. But your losses are only your own, not the allies you flew with. So of course, your killboard looks amazing because you flew with many against us.
One kill against INSRG is then duplicated across 10 killboards, making each individual alliance look like they have amazing stats. But its not a reflection of what actually happened.
The INSRG killboard is, being truthful, the most accurate summary of the damage we have inflicted and recieved, across multiple alliances.
lol, way to **** into tri's, atf's and destinys effort, which took almost the same dmg insurg did. but hey keep telling yourself how super you are.
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Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:01:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Fred0
That's Reisen dude. I love pvp'ers who are so lazy they need pvp within 10 jumps of their mining spots or they whine. A war at home is nice now and then but if there's no action at home you go find it.
Yes yes propaganda - we all love it. And killboard from that time was almost empty. So you say that rzr is full of lazy carebears?
When trying to rewrite history, Deva, you have to make sure the books have been burned. Anyone can check our KB for any period to see that this supposed 3 month gap in kills didnt actually happen.
Of course, it might be hard for you and LoveKebab to understand, since you two have pretty much always had to be dragged tooth and nail away from whatever broken plex or exploitable mission was fueling your horribly fit sleipnir fetishes.
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Destruct
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:05:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Destruct
strange, i remeber having lots of fun staging out of reisen and i got on killmails too. wow! and of course we're all carebears. you were too, right? or were you one of just a few really leet pvp'ers in razor that held all the carbears under your arms?
Reisen you say? I just checked your kill history from when TCF got removed (09.2006) to another alliance op against smash/rk (12.2006)
Oh look - there is 3 month wide hole.
dude, a hole in my kb history means nothing. there are lots of them longer then 3 months. and i do see kills from the period you mention and hey, what do you know, they're not all in m-o. weird.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:09:00 -
[98]
Originally by: MrRx7
Yours might be remotely accurate if you counted more than just a few random systems,
So our home constellations, where ALL the fighting has been taking place, are now 'a few random systems'?
Apart from the odd gank in BKG, we didnt leave our home space, we certainly didn't do any major fighting outside of it. Certainly nothing of any consequence which would effect overall stats.
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Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:09:00 -
[99]
It has been a short, intensive and expensive little war.
Well fought insurgency and good luck in the future!
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:09:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kusotarre
When trying to rewrite history, Deva, you have to make sure the books have been burned. Anyone can check our KB for any period to see that this supposed 3 month gap in kills didnt actually happen.
Thats why before posting i actually did my homework and checked killboard. At said time killboard activity went down from around 350kills weekly to more-less half of it. Of which most were scored by ernest.
And as it goes for plexes - angry rage kid for being kicked from plex which is under your own nose?
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thetwilitehour
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:10:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: MrRx7
RZR killboard stats
When you have a coalition of alliances fighting one alliance, the only accurate killboard will be INSRG's.
Example: one of your heavy dictor pilots gets involved in a 100 v 100 fight and secures a place on 50 killmails. PURE/MM/HYDRA/MH get the final blows but it all still counts as a WHOLE KILL on your killboard. But your losses are only your own, not the allies you flew with. So of course, your killboard looks amazing because you flew with many against us.
One kill against INSRG is then duplicated across 10 killboards, making each individual alliance look like they have amazing stats. But its not a reflection of what actually happened.
The INSRG killboard is, being truthful, the most accurate summary of the damage we have inflicted and recieved, across multiple alliances.
Too bad you had Tri, Destiny, ATF helping you, and you post kills from towers but not losses. So please don't try to act all high and mighty about having accurate killboard stats. We fought, you lost, we won, good fight.
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Prez21
coracao ardente Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:10:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Centauris Prez get over yourself.
No rest for the wicked :P We must move on.....GF Insurgency mates :)
Get over what? im only telling the truth, tell me who youve ever fought without 5+ alliances stood behind you?
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Kusotarre
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:12:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: MrRx7
RZR killboard stats
When you have a coalition of alliances fighting one alliance, the only accurate killboard will be INSRG's.
Example: one of your heavy dictor pilots gets involved in a 100 v 100 fight and secures a place on 50 killmails. PURE/MM/HYDRA/MH get the final blows but it all still counts as a WHOLE KILL on your killboard. But your losses are only your own, not the allies you flew with. So of course, your killboard looks amazing because you flew with many against us.
One kill against INSRG is then duplicated across 10 killboards, making each individual alliance look like they have amazing stats. But its not a reflection of what actually happened.
The INSRG killboard is, being truthful, the most accurate summary of the damage we have inflicted and recieved, across multiple alliances.
Everyone understands that, Butter, but just because INSRG's KB is the best one out of a bunch of bad ones, doesn't make it an accurate representation. You have most the kills, and a large majority of the losses, but you leave off all the people in ATF, Destiny, and, ofc, TRI, that died trying to help you.
For example, and most obviously, you're missing a Nyx loss. You're missing multiple carrier losses from the other alliances.
And, even though you could well have posted them, you're missing 45 large POSes, 8 of them faction.
So no, you don't get off that easy. If you want to make a bragpost, simultaneously claiming an ISK victory and doing it against an array of opponents, you need to include all losses, including those from your (smaller) array of friends.
Surely you understand this.
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Trefnis
Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:14:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Kusotarre Stuff
Kuso plz stay like in old times and leave the eo its not worth as it always end in smack, and i hate to see another friendly face being dragged into it :(
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Dashboard
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:19:00 -
[105]
Every chump knows that you post your team's consolidated kills from your killboard, and your losses from the leading hostile kb.
Otherwise you just cause three pages of ****posting
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Y Ashanti
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:21:00 -
[106]
I think everyone knows already that comparing stats from any one alliance isn't very representative. Just like lots of the kills on INSRG's board are not RZR, lots of NC kills were against TRI/ATF/etc. While INSRG were alone at the end, they were anything but alone during the middle phase of the war, which had most losses on both sides. If someone actually bothered to add up the total isk lost on both sides, it would probably not be that different for the two sides.
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Xiong Yoshi
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:25:00 -
[107]
Here is how I saw the war:
1) First Night - NC leaders fielded an impressive fleet. Counts were put at 800, though I wouldn't be surprised if closer to 1,000 NC members had joined for atleast an hour during the first day. It was pretty awe inspiring, then the decision was made to jump, and EVE became a true nightmare. I waited four hours to load my pod, immidiately went and got another ship and jumped back in again, only had to wait 30 minutes to load a pod that time. Loss: 2 BS's. If you think Blobbage is good, when the enemy knows you are there, then you are crazy.
2) First Week - INS dominated US TZ, and the NC dominated the remainder of the day. Both sides had very high participation - and because NC's numbers were larger, we controlled more hours of the day. INS was able to field very strong Cap fleets during their peek though - so NC could do very little during this time. By the end of the week though, NC had become accustomed to the 16-18 hours and were able to make headway into controlling 4DT and other systems. We got a number of good battles during the overlapping times, but for the most part it was ganks for either side depending on who had control.
3) Second Week - Throughout the Second week, participation on both sides seemed to go down somewhat, but moreso for INS than NC - this combined with the slow and steady progress during the first week resulted in SOV begining to flip and NC able to claim the stations in D4R and 4DT. The end of the war was in sight, but on the horizon was also the spectre of TRI joining into the battle. Up to this point, INSG was primarily defending their space on their own. They were losing their space, and the smak on the forums was nearly unbearable, but really - mad props for putting up the fight mostly on your own. As the week drew to a close though, the battle definately shifted as TRI jumped into the battle. This quickly resulted in the loss of nearly all of our gains in INSG space and of course culminated in the loss of our Titan.
4) Third week. In a lot of ways, this was my favorite week of this war. TRI and INSG both had a very strong push, with high participation - probably influenced by the destruction of the RAZOR Titan. Moral within RAZOR was low for some, but our allies more than picked up the slack. It would be impossible for me to name all of the people who put in a LOT of effort to ensure that BKG was held and that the war was put back on the right track, but I will name Sister Bliss as being an integral part of this. With TRI very actively fielding their BS fleet, CAP fleet, and a Titan; the battles were brought to us, with a few plays made against BKG. INSG also gained a lot of help from ATF/Destiny/Phalanx, in short - it was no longer Northern Coalition against INSG - it was now two fully formed coalitions battling it out.. But due to a number of missfired DD's by TRI, a lot of really amazing FCing by NC's FC's, a few lucky DDs on our part, and the LOSS of the TRI NYX (leading to TRI quitting the battlefield) - the Week which very well could have seen Razor losing SOV in BKG, actually turned out to be a very amazing week of nonstop fleet battles in which the NC performed amazingly well.
5) Fourth Week. TRI pulled back, Destiny and ATF didn't really have the stomach to keep getting DD'd by allies, and the NC was coming off of a very invigorating week - all combined to really spell INSG's end of SOV claim in Branch. This week has mostly been grinding away at POS's and looking for oportunities to kill INSG as they make a run for the border. With the news that the rest of their cap fleet is out, it's over. ------------------------------------------------ There are only two types of ships: those which have blown up; and those which will.
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Lisa Ikura
New World Disorders
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:25:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Prez21 bla bla bla
CI must really be going downhill when they accept ppl like you in it
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clagnuts
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:34:00 -
[109]
well i dont care much for stats who,s killed this and what ,id just like to poor lots of praise on insurg and friends, you guys are the most stuborn and bloody minded people ive ever had the pleasure to fight, i salute every last one of you .
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:37:00 -
[110]
Originally by: clagnuts well i dont care much for stats who,s killed this and what ,id just like to poor lots of praise on insurg and friends, you guys are the most stuborn and bloody minded people ive ever had the pleasure to fight, i salute every last one of you .
Thanks, it's been fun. Now GTFO the QCWA station and let us withdraw or this is going to go on and on for some time to come! 
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:37:00 -
[111]
Edited by: darth solo on 12/05/2008 10:43:01 kills? loses?, who cares. all that has happened now is INSRG has no home to defend no 100 pos to fuel. the only thing left to do is to fight fight fight exatly what INSRG was started for.
lets make sure ppl understand the situation here, no matter how many allies we had to help this thing was impossible, QCWA last night was 600 ppl, i sent out an alliance mail and it arrived 1 hour later. Our numbers in fleet last night was well over 200 with 60 capitals, we could have had 1000 in fleet and 500 capitals and it would have made no difference.
This isnt about skill, this isnt about tactics, this was always about putting as many ppl in our systems as possible. im not getting at the north here, as that tactic always wins, dont load, dont fight.
i wont forget the ppl who came to help us, in INSRG u have a strong friend, i wont also forget the ppl who joined in on this without even telling us of standing change, the boys are full of drive now with revenge in mind. ill let them decide who is going to get it first.
Zero corps have left INSRG, in fact FZN just joined and 3 trials were finalised with all corps gaining full membership.
IM PROUD OF INSRG, its outgrown all my expectations.
The NC mails to darth smacking me are well known to the INSRG members RZR,MM,ETC ETC, that tactic doesnt work lads it just puts fire in the boys bellies, yar. revenge is gonna taste good.
d solo.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:40:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Xiong Yoshi Here is how I saw the war:
1) First Night - NC leaders fielded an impressive fleet. Counts were put at 800, though I wouldn't be surprised if closer to 1,000 NC members had joined for atleast an hour during the first day. It was pretty awe inspiring, then the decision was made to jump, and EVE became a true nightmare. I waited four hours to load my pod, immidiately went and got another ship and jumped back in again, only had to wait 30 minutes to load a pod that time. Loss: 2 BS's. If you think Blobbage is good, when the enemy knows you are there, then you are crazy.
2) First Week - INS dominated US TZ, and the NC dominated the remainder of the day. Both sides had very high participation - and because NC's numbers were larger, we controlled more hours of the day. INS was able to field very strong Cap fleets during their peek though - so NC could do very little during this time. By the end of the week though, NC had become accustomed to the 16-18 hours and were able to make headway into controlling 4DT and other systems. We got a number of good battles during the overlapping times, but for the most part it was ganks for either side depending on who had control.
3) Second Week - Throughout the Second week, participation on both sides seemed to go down somewhat, but moreso for INS than NC - this combined with the slow and steady progress during the first week resulted in SOV begining to flip and NC able to claim the stations in D4R and 4DT. The end of the war was in sight, but on the horizon was also the spectre of TRI joining into the battle. Up to this point, INSG was primarily defending their space on their own. They were losing their space, and the smak on the forums was nearly unbearable, but really - mad props for putting up the fight mostly on your own. As the week drew to a close though, the battle definately shifted as TRI jumped into the battle. This quickly resulted in the loss of nearly all of our gains in INSG space and of course culminated in the loss of our Titan.
4) Third week. In a lot of ways, this was my favorite week of this war. TRI and INSG both had a very strong push, with high participation - probably influenced by the destruction of the RAZOR Titan. Moral within RAZOR was low for some, but our allies more than picked up the slack. It would be impossible for me to name all of the people who put in a LOT of effort to ensure that BKG was held and that the war was put back on the right track, but I will name Sister Bliss as being an integral part of this. With TRI very actively fielding their BS fleet, CAP fleet, and a Titan; the battles were brought to us, with a few plays made against BKG. INSG also gained a lot of help from ATF/Destiny/Phalanx, in short - it was no longer Northern Coalition against INSG - it was now two fully formed coalitions battling it out.. But due to a number of missfired DD's by TRI, a lot of really amazing FCing by NC's FC's, a few lucky DDs on our part, and the LOSS of the TRI NYX (leading to TRI quitting the battlefield) - the Week which very well could have seen Razor losing SOV in BKG, actually turned out to be a very amazing week of nonstop fleet battles in which the NC performed amazingly well.
5) Fourth Week. TRI pulled back, Destiny and ATF didn't really have the stomach to keep getting DD'd by allies, and the NC was coming off of a very invigorating week - all combined to really spell INSG's end of SOV claim in Branch. This week has mostly been grinding away at POS's and looking for oportunities to kill INSG as they make a run for the border. With the news that the rest of their cap fleet is out, it's over.
good post.
d solo.
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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:56:00 -
[113]
mmm belly....fire....sploshuns....funnies....
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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:57:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Lodhi mmm belly....fire....sploshuns....funnies....
^^ = best post
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posteroid
im right your wrong
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:24:00 -
[115]
So the northern nap fest blobs out another new tenant...yawn.
Still im sure its better for the members morale than running away from MC was............
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:25:00 -
[116]
Good Fight Insurgencies
Thanks for all the fun
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Angor
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:26:00 -
[117]
Insurgency, I'm truly gutted you didnt succeed in repelling the NC invasion. I can honestly say i've never wanted any alliance to succeed at attempting to break up the northern coalition as you guys did. Just a shame the mega-nap killed you guys off. I have no doubt if you guys had been against any 1 of those entities on a 1v1 things would be very different. Shame cos we were thinking about coming up and helping you guys a little too :(. Nothing but respect guys gf o/
Watch out Tri....  _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |

mama guru
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:30:00 -
[118]
Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 12/05/2008 04:10:58 Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 12/05/2008 04:08:47
pathetic attempt to look like a smackfree pvp alliance, while I remember reading this thread with a lots of smack from your side on the first day of this war.
edit maybe you want to count the nearly 100 tower (most of them where large ones) you lost
or the 3 carriers you recently lost aswell, according to your own killboard
Get out.
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |

Armor Tank
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:34:00 -
[119]
Insurgency leaves the field defeated but with their dignity intact, if not with more. Triumvirate however...
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Ikoras
Minmatar The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:36:00 -
[120]
Gf's all and congrats on getting you stuff out.
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