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Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:25:00 - [1] Hehe it is not often you can read something about minmatar from a guy that knows what he is talking about :) I agree with what you said, dps was never our thing, it was alpha. Back in the days it did matter, you could pop bb in one volley, a hac if you were lucky, but most important you could compete with other bs, 2x or 3x pest were SCARY for enything. Now since then we got 2x hp buff, plates buff, trimarks and other rigs, stacking penalty and after that ammo nerf. It all ended in projs being subpar in enything bar cap use. I just hope something will be done about it.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 06:37:00 - [2] Originally by: Liang Nuren That was then. This is now. I'm dealing from a "now" perspective. You can have your precious "alpha" - but I guarantee they aren't going to boost alpha strikes enough to matter - otherwise, you just elimited the HP boost. -Liang For now even after sticking to matari for 2.5y and skills like large spec V i trained gallente as they are simply better at everything, if you just give dps it will turn to any other weapon and as i said you can have then simply by training them.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 08:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Prez21 I remember when i was just starting out in eve and was living around molden heath and i flew with a guy who always flew around solo in a pest with artys, and the amount of kills he got was unbelievable due to his high alpha and any bs he came across usualy died or ran away after seeing the first volley of dmg hit there ship. I completely agree with siddy, at the minute with the pest the alpha isnt great and the rof is poor, i would gladly take a little hit to rof to have a massive alpha strike like the 1400s are supposed to give out, but unforunatly i dont think ccp will make the changes and the pest will just fade into the background. Yeah, back in the days where you could two-volley an apoc or single volley a cruiser. You're looking at thirty to fourty thousand damage alpha strikes from a single Tempest/Maelstrom to bring those days back. You're right, I don't think CCP will do that. -Liang Not sure if you fly pest or not and if so for how long. atm with all skill lvl V and imps =3% to all guns and to large ones i put around 1300+ hits with quake ammo, so upping it to 2-3k or something is not that unrealistic. you keep telling us we are stick in the past, i say if you just up tracking, clip size, dmg you will get rails with less dmg and no cap use, like wtf is that. i want my days back when i got to 1v1 a geddon where he had more dmg with pulse ofcourse, but after 1 volley he got stripped from shields, ****ted his pants and tried to warp away as far as possible not fight.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 09:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Liang Nuren Are you seriously saying that you use quake?! Yes if im in a fleet fit pest and we get to jump on other bs and i know i have ammar to get through their shields then there is nothing better that quake on pure plates fit. Originally by: Liang Nuren Quote: you keep telling us we are stick in the past, i say if you just up tracking, clip size, dmg you will get rails with less dmg and no cap use, like wtf is that. Wait, you'd get Artillery, as it has been defined since the HP boost. Even now the Tempest has about twice the alpha strike and 85% of the DPS a sniperthron does. Yeah, they're totally rails. -Liang Read the bolded part, i said you want them to become rails not that they are rails atm. and give your matari alt name to prove you have any credibiility as i start to loose faith in that.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 10:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren IMO (most likely to least likely arty boosts): - Clip size - Tracking - Damage mod (slight) - ROF decrease (slight) - Damage mod (large) & ROF increase (slight) -Liang And how is that not making them rails with no cap and different name ??
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:11:00 - [6] Originally by: karrak Innstead dig up some old pvp vids and remember when this game was great. Il go back to my corner and cry now, cheers You know i actually do that now from time to time. Liang the thing is, for the last 5 weeks u had like ****load of fleet fight with 200+ in system, good for you, enjoy they lag. But i prefer to have my ship usefull for the 90% of my play time (small gangs, sub 20bs) and useless in 10% of that 400ppl in local "battles" we all get like twice a week every week... than the other way around.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Wait, you mean that I might just have a clue about fleet fights? Oh noes!?!!?!?-Liang Ok i tried to be polite but as you called me a fool... I didnt say you have a clue about fleet fights, i said you might been there, as i see now you know **** about artys and matari, you say you fly pest on alt that you wont tell his name... as for know ill treat you as someone who use ishtars and falcons only, not much at that.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.12 22:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren I've already won this thread, WAAAAAAAMBULANCE!". -Liang Yes sorry my mistake.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.13 06:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Liang Nuren I really thirst for some intelligent discussion about the state of artillery. You want alpha boosted. Fine... that's a completely reasonable request. Bear these things in mind, though: - The HP boost intentionally nerfed alpha strike Have to agree on that but was it really good or not, as it left matari with nothing in return. Originally by: Liang Nuren - Lowering DPS dramatically nerfs PVE noone said anything about lowering dps (but you already admited it on next pages) Originally by: Liang Nuren -- High DPS and fast target switching is required in PVE For pve pest was always like worst ship possible get a phoon, even low skill raven is better that mael/phoon Originally by: Liang Nuren - Making ROF worse drastically nerfs artillery for fleets I dont agree on that, during your fleets were you always able to lock all targets, activate all guns on it ? it never happened to me, there is lag, some guns dont activate, they are ready for the next target. Originally by: Liang Nuren -- Faster ROF allows for faster target switching agree but on paper not in lag, for pve where it matters see above Originally by: Liang Nuren -- Fleet effectiveness is 100% determined by DPS@160km / EHP so since pest with 6 lows will never have the ehp of mega/apoc you say we should have more dps or just leave it for them to do fleets ? Originally by: Liang Nuren -- Fleet sizes these days easily alpha strike battleships, regardless of alpha sure, but dont tell me that all fleet fights are 100+ on one side, at 30-70bs that alpha would make a difference Originally by: Liang Nuren -- Breaking the fleet up into "manageable segments" does not alter this it would, as im stuck in the past ill tell you that during past large (50bs on side) fights me and 3 other ppl used to differ from primary as we were alowed to call primaries ourselves, there were no overkill or anything just 2 ships going down in the same time normally it would be one.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.13 06:12:00 - [10] also one more thing, today if you have 4-5 bs gang you can do nothing if 10-15 bs come, in the past if those 5 bs were pest you would warp on them at 40-60km and pop at least one bs in 2 volleys before he could align thx to that alpha, that is what i really miss if you knew you have 5 pest waiting on you on the other side of the gate you were SCARED to jump in even with more bs on your side, becouse at least one of yours bs would die before warping of. thou even with BIG apha it wouldnt happen no more as noone fly now in full dmg mod no tank bses.
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.13 06:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Liang Nuren That's rather the definition of fleet battleships. -Liang and you dont see many gangs of 5 bs in fleet fit do you they were the plate rr norm of today
Trefnis Minmatar R.U.S.T. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.20 10:48:00 - [12] Liang i have read that 13p topic you posted on the first page (done it long ago so had to refresh). Could i ask you to make same sim for apoc vs mael/pest with something like 100% dmg increas and adjusted rof (so DPS is the same) and see if that helps in 10v10 up to 100v100 ? That would answer if alpha is of any use in large fleets (doupt it) but maybe it will give us place in small sub 10-15 bs fights. That would be something at least.

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